Swami Ramanuja BHagavAn’s Shristi Procedure

Updated on November 3, 2020 in General
10 on October 31, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubyo Namaha,

Namaskaram All Swami’s who has similar doubhts,

Though it is very encouraging to see devotees doing Shravanam on Velukkudi Swami’s Basic audios, in which Swami mostly says in Creamy way only on deeper subjects, which tends the listeners to populate further questions.

No worries, there are “Swapadesha Arthams (deeper meaning)” Swami’s audios which clears further doubhts. If devotees hasn’t got yet chance to hear it, then Adiyen will share few from Velukkudi Swami’s such Deeper audios on same subject. It is just an extrapolation or Breakdown of what Adiyen posted above for the initial question with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham.

The Baseline concept/Purpose of Creation needs to be Understood first, if not, our focus will stick to the lower level 14 lokas in each Andam, as who is staying in which loka? since knowing that is not purpose of life (birth), rather reaching Moksham for Nithya Kainkaryam to Sriman NarayanA is purpose of life. However Adiyen will still clarify with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham for further above populated question extracted from adiyen’s above post for the sake of devotees quest.

Details pulled from Velukkudi Swami’s “Yathindra Mata Deepika” and other Swapadesha Arthams Swami’s audios like Tatva Trayam, Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu Puram. Interested devotees when get chance, please listen for BhagavAt/Acharya/Velukkudi Swami’s Anugraham for clear details.

Anyway,

Baseline is to first understand BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA DIRECT AVATARS (a.k.a POORNA AVATARS), without imparting any powers to any other JeevAthmas, means HE IS BY HIMSELF AS PARAMATHMA AVATAR.

POORNA Avataram‘ is BhagavAn Sriman NARAYAN HIMSELF with “NO DISCHARGE” of powers to other Jeevathmas.

Example: SriRama, SriKrishna, Sri Narasimha, Sri Varaha, SriVishnu etc… with ALL SUPREME SIX PRIMARY DIVINE QUALITIES (Kalyana Gunas) as

1.Gyana (Ultimate Knowledge),
2.Bhala (Ultimate Strength),
3.Veerya (Ultimate Valour),
4.Aishwarya (Ultimate Opulence),
5.Shakthi (Ultimate Energy),
6.Thejas (Ultimate Luster).

Poorna Avataram of BhagavAn is classified as 5 types:

Para (Para VASUDEVAN in SriVaikuntam outside Material world/Leela Vibhoothi),

Vyuha (as below when he jumps to Material world),

Vibhava (avatars taken inside an Andam of the Material world like Sri Rama, SriKrishna etc..

Antaryamai (sitting Inside each of the JeevAthmas and monitoring us)

Archai (In idol forms in temples/homes etc…)

Coming back to the Vyuha Avatram is classified into VasuDeva, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Sankarshana.

1.Vadudeva Avatram: after jumping from SriVaikuntam to Material world, HE is in Alamara Ilai as a baby prior to start creating the breakdown world’s/devas etc… Then HE takes three below Specific forms to utilize some of HIS Specific Divine Qualities (not all), so HE keeps specific names for such breakdown avatars.

2.Sankarshana Avatram utilizes Gyana & Bhala Qualities for TOTAL Dissolution.

3.Aniruddha Avataram utilizes Veerya & Aishwarya Qualities for TOTAL Protection.

4.Pradhyumna Avataram utilizes Shakthi & Thejas Qualities for TOTAL Creation.

These are BhagavAns DIRECT/POORNA Avatarams (No discharge of powers to other JeevAthmas yet).

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After the above baseline understanding, let’s go to the populated doubhts extracted from the answer.

There are two types of Creation process:

1) Advaraka Shrishti or Samashti Shristhi (Primary creation) :

Which is SOLEY done by BrahmaM “Sriman NarayanA (Pradhyumna)” only, just easily with HIS SANKALPAM (without any tools or without anyone support), since HE is the only “Sarvagjyan”. HE starts shrsiti only “SRI (MahaLakshmi) blinks HER eyes to Sriman NarayanA start Shrishti as Velukkudi Swamie has said in upanyasams (அவள் கண் இமைத்து காட்டின பின்பு அவன் படைக்கிறான்), why because each JeevAthmas, basically BhaddAthmas like us trapped in DEVA BODIES like Brahma,Shiva etc… or in ordinary human bodies like us, we all JeevAthmas are Perumal-Thayar Children (SOTTHU/Property) and we all need to reach Moksham (SriVsikuntam and not any other lokas) by either following 1) Bhakthi Yoga Margham (karma, gyana, bhakthi) like Brahma, Shiva etc… or choose 2) Sharanagathy Margham, or choose 3) Panchamopaya Margham like Ramanuja Sambhandhi Dasas from any Sampradhayams/religions. But unfortunately because of JeevAthmas Vaasanaas, Ruchi, Karma’s, Avidhya & Prakrithi Sambhandham, they tend to utilize their Jeeva Swathantriyam to reach other Material lokas like Indra loka, Shiva loka, Brahma lokam etc…and some worse case to Naraka loka etc,…and only some reach Moksham/SriVaikuntam (Permanent Relief from Material world) following one of the above three paths.

Eitherway, in this Advaraka Shrishti (Primary Creation), below is what Pradhyumnan does:

First thing Pradhyumnan created the Outside layers of ONE Andam like a Jackfruit outside layers (like Shell first then Fruit inside):

‘1)அவ்யக்த ஆவரணம்

‘2)மஹத் ஆவரணம்,

‘3)அகங்கார ஆவரணம் (split to three Satvika, Rajasa, Tamasa Ahankarams)

‘4)ஆகாச ஆவரணம்

‘5)வாயு ஆவரணம்

‘6)அக்னி ஆவரணம்

‘7)ஜல ஆவரணம்

Then BhagavAn also now starts mixing the Prakrutha Pancha Bhoothams ( Space, Water, Air, Fire, Land) by a process called “Panchikaranam” in proper proportions prior to creating the 14 lokas which was detailed out by BadrinarayanA Ramanuja Dasan Swami clearly in the other thread with Acharya Krupai as below:

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/panchikarnam/

Then BhagavAn creates the 14 lokas inside the above untouchable shell. These 14 lokas are like the Juicy Fruit along with Sour Flesh inside the Jackfruit .

These 14 lokas and the inhabitants as adiyen mentioned in above post referred from The SriPerumbuthoor’s Embar JeeyAr Acharya MAP drawn on 1873 with description AS IT IS as adiyen mentioned above at the end of the post.

After the PRIMARY CREATION is all Set for BhagavAn’s Leelai, then HE chooses a Jeevathma who has accumulated “EXPLEMPARY PUNYA KARMAS” by NOT surrendering its Punya karma as “Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu”are given chance to take the respective Deva responsibilities.

2) Sadvaraka Shrishti or Vyeshti Shrishti (Secondary creation)

Handed over by “Pradhyumnan (Supreme ParamAthma) to a JeevAthma that was given a 1st Body basically Brahma. Then BhagavAn teaches all Vedas/Shastras on how to create further, since Brahma doesn’t have ability to create everything from Sankalpam since He is a JeevAthma and not ParamAthma. So Velukkudi Swami has said that Brahma keeps chanting the Vedas while doing the secondary creation,and He has no powers to alter any of the Primary creation done by BhagavAn. Brahma is like a Application Usage Engineer and Not Application Developer.

Then Brahma starts the secondary creation process and He chooses other JeevAthmas for Manu, Saanthanika kumaras, Rudra etc to support the creation process.

Reference:

“நாராயணன் படைத்தான் நான்முகனை (Brahma), நான்முகனுக்கு ஏரார் சிவன் (Brahma’s Son) பிறந்தான் என்றும் சொல்”

[This is the Naan Mughan Thiruvandhaadhi Divya Prabhandham Thaniyan” which is originally taken from Srimad Bhagavatham by Poorvacharyas]

Likewise, there are COUNTLESS Andams each having One Bramha, One Rudra posts occupied by different JeevAthmas, and power of one Brahma in one andam can vary between other brahmas/rudras of other andams.

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‘3) Sadvaraka Samharam (Secondary Dissolution)

After Rudra is created by Brahma, BhagavAn assigns the secondary Dissolution process which is taken care by Rudra as a service to BhagavAn (like local samharam only within an Andam)

‘4) Advaraka Samharam (PRIMARY Dissolution)

But remember Rudra has no powers to do the Major samharam like Maha Pralayam which is consolidating/collapsing all 14 lokas of an Andam plus SHUTTING DOWN the ENTIRE COUNTLESS ANDAMS, since that is done by the Supreme BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA in the Vyuha form Sankarshana Avatram who utilizes Gyana & Bhala Divine Qualities for TOTAL Dissolution. It is called Advaraka Samharam.

Praakritha Pralayam (Maha Pralayam) is done After Brahma’s 100 years, all the 14 lokams which constitutes One Andam including Brahma lokam is disssolved. Samsaram (Material world) still exists, but Shristi (creation) is not started and those JeevAthmas who didnot go to Moksham wait for a body till BhagavAn starts next Shristi to follow either of the Three Marghams for Moksham as mentioned initially above.

‘5) Advaraka Rakshanam (PRIMARY Protection)

This is done by BhagavAn HIMSELF who is in Vyuha form as Aniruddhan Avataram who utilizes two of HIS Veerya & Aishwarya Divine Qualities for TOTAL Protection.

So Aniruddhan takes another direct Vyuha form as Vishnu in each Andam to Protect everyone and HE resides along with Brahma and Rudra in Sathya loka. (Sathya Loka is vast and there are separate small lokas like Kaarya Vaikuntam for Vishnu, Brahma loka for Brahma, Shiva loka for Shiva etc within as adiyen mentioned in the above first post for 14 loka inhabitants classification). But “SriVaikuntam” is separate which is beyond all these countless Andams beyond VirajAi Nadhi.

This makes it appear as if Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva are ThriMoorthis (popularly said in practical world) but they are not same since Vishnu is Poorna Avatar (BhagavAn HIMSELF) and other two are JeevAthmas as mentioned initially in above thread. This is like a Company President (Aniruddhan) who is In-Charge for the entire company and others report to him, still keeps one of departments under his control with in his company like Financial department as Vishnu.

BhagavAn doesn’t give this PROTECTION responsibility to anyone else, since we all JeevAthmas (BhaddAthmas) either in Deva Bodies like Brahma, Rudra, etc.. or in ordinary Human bodies like us, ALL are Children/SOTTHU (Property) of the PARENTS ThayAr(SrimAn)-Perumal(NarayanA) , and ONLY they can protect all of us.

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So adiyen’s initial post is specific to the question about the 14 lokas only, but this post has more details but short. For further generated questions, adiyen would recommend interested devotees to listen Velukkudi Swami’s “Yathindra Mata Deepika” and other Swapadesha Arthams Swami’s audios like Tatva Trayam, Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu Puram to clear ones mind and for BhagavAt Anubhavam.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

UYYA ORAEY VAZHI UDAYAVAR THIRUVADI

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

 
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

With the above baseline understanding referred from Velukkudi Swami’s different topics, Adiyen posted the answer for the smaller portion of the question about the inhabitants in 14 lokas in the thread with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/%e0%ae%aa%e0%ae%bf%e0%ae%b1-%e0%ae%b2%e0%af%8b%e0%ae%95%e0%ae%99%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%95%e0%ae%b3%e0%ae%bf%e0%ae%b2%e0%af%8d-%e0%ae%b5%e0%ae%be%e0%ae%b4%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%aa%e0%ae%b5%e0%ae%b0%e0%af%8d%e0%ae%95/

 

as,

 

ஸ்ரீமதே ராமாநுஜாய நமஹ,

நமஸ்காரம் ஸ்வாமி,

ஆசார்யன் திருவடி பலத்தால் வேளுக்குடி ஸ்வாமிகள் ஆசிர்வாதத்தால் அடியேன் பதிலை பகிர்ந்து கொள்கிறேன்.

ஒரு அண்டகடாகத்தில் பதினான்கு உலகங்கள் உள்ளது. அதில் நடு தட்டில் பூமண்டலம் உள்ளது. அதன் மேல் ஆறு உலகங்கள். அதன் கீழ் ஏழு உலகங்கள். 

1 யோஜனை = 10 மயில்கள்  (10 miles)

‘7) சத்யலோகம் : முழுமுதற்கடவுள் பரமாத்மா விஷ்ணுவுடன் அவர் திவ்ய புத்திரன் ஜீவாத்மா ப்ரஹ்மாவும், அவருடைய புத்திரன் ஜீவாத்மா சிவனும் உள்ள இடமாகும்.  அவர்களை உபாசிப்பவர்கள் சென்றுஅடையும் இடம், 12 கொடி யோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது. 

‘6) தபோலோகம் : வைராக்கியம் உடைய ப்ரஜாபதிகள் வாழும் இடம், 8 கொடி யோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது.

‘5) ஜனோலோகம் : பிரம்மா புத்திரர்களான சனகாதி பரம யோகிகள் வாழும் இடம், 2 கொடி யோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது.

‘4) மஹர்லோகம் : நிவ்ருத்த அதிகாரிகளும் அதிகார விரும்பிகளான இந்திரன் முதலானோரும் வாழும் இடம், 1 கொடி யோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது.

‘3) ஸுவர்லோகம் : சுகவாசிகளான க்ரஹ நக்ஷத்ர சந்திர தேவதைகள் வாழும் இடமாக 14 லக்ஷம் யோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது .

‘2) புவர்லோகம் : கந்தர்வாதிகள் வாழும் இடமாக  1  லக்ஷம் ஷயோஜனை உயர்த்திய உடையதாய் இருக்கின்றது 

‘1) பூமண்டலம் : பாத சாரிகளான மனுஷ்யாதிகள் வாழும் இடமாக ஏழு திவீப ஏழு கடல்களோடு அண்டகடாகம் வரை 50 கோடி யோஜனை பரப்பை உடையதாய் பூமண்டலத்தின் இடையே பூலோகம் இருக்கிறது . 

 

இந்த கேழ் லோகம் ஒவ்வொன்றும் ஆயிரம் யோஜனை உயர்த்தியையும் பரப்பையும் உடையதாய் தைத்யா தாநாவ, பன்னக, சுவர்ணாதிகள் வாழும் பிரதேசமாய் இருக்கின்றது

‘-2) அதலம்,

‘-3) விதலம்

‘-4) நிதலம்

‘-5) ரசாதலம்

‘-6) மஹாதலம்

‘-7) சுதலம்

‘-8) பாதாளம் 

தமோலோகத்துக்கு கீழ் ப்ரஹ்மாண்ட கர்ப உதகத்துக்கு மேல் இருக்கின்ற ப்ரதேசத்தில் நரகங்கள் இருக்கின்றன இந்த பிரதேசம் ஆயிரம் யியோஜனை உயர்த்தி உடையது.

 

ஸ்ரீபெரும்பூதூர் ஸ்ரீமத் பரமஹம்ஸேத்யாதி ஒன்றான திருவேங்கட இராமானுஜ எம்பார் ஜீயர் ஸ்வாமிகள் திருவடிகளே சரணம்,

அடியேன் (இளையால்வார்) ஸ்ரீனிவாச (தொடடயாச்சார்யார்) தாஸன்.

on October 31, 2020

And also posted referring from Swami’s upanyasams as:

இப்படிப்பட்ட இந்த தாழ்ந்த 14 லோகங்களையும் கொண்ட பல கோடி அண்டகடாகத்தை தாண்டி, நாம் செல்ல வேண்டிய இடம் ஸ்ரீவைகுண்டம் என்னும் நித்தியமான ஆந்தமயமான பரமபதம்.

on October 31, 2020

Sarvam KKC Sholinghur DhoddayacharyAr-VedantacharyAr-KumarasingaracharyAr-Velukkudi Swamigal ThiruvAdigalil Samparpanam.

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2 on November 1, 2020

Sri Madhvacharya Namaha

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Jai Shree Krishna Caitanya!

Jai Shree Lakshminarasimha!

Namskaaram Elayalwaar swami. Surprised by your determination to post such long answers.. not many would be able to read them.. Suggest to post brief answers to the point if possible. We must learn from Velukkudi swami for his brief yet complete answers.

Regarding the point of discussion. We have had heated debates in the past.. https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/is-lord-siva-a-position/

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/adikesava-perumal-temple-vs-padmanabhan-comparison/

But you were not able to provide satisfactory answers to my questions, but still you continue to hold your stand. It is OK it is your  personal thought and choice but only request is please post the references for what you quote here in this forum.

“Though it is very encouraging to see devotees doing Shravanam on Velukkudi Swami’s Basic audios, in which Swami mostly says in Creamy way only on deeper subjects, which tends the listeners to populate further questions.”

1+1 =2 taught in primary school holds good in Phd also. So I doubt the fact that when swami has said Shiva loka exists separately like vaikunta , in enpani audio and has given Vishnu puraanam as reference, he might not have said otherwise in deeper lectures. I think there could been a misunderstanding in absorbing what Swami said.

So perhaps if you can give me a vedic reference which states “Shiva loka is in satya loka” then we can end this debate.

I already provided above a scriptural reference (Brahma Samhita) which clearly states Shiva loka is above Devi loka ( 14 planetary system) and below Hari Loka. Would you accept the scripture written by Lord Brahma or would you not?

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Other points that were raised this is not the main point of discussion but since you have discussed it i am sharing it here..

Reference of scripture

நாராயணன் படைத்தான் நான்முகனை (Brahma), நான்முகனுக்கு ஏரார் சிவன் (Brahma’s Son) பிறந்தான் என்றும் சொல்

For explaining this and for proper understanding please use this example of explanation given in Mimamsa to show that sound is eternal and not temporarily created when we speak..

“Samam tu tatra darshanam”–The cognition of Shabda right after our effort does not necessarily mean that Shabda is created at that time. Something that exists even before can attain manifestation due to our effort. This is called Abhivyakti. Although Akasha exists every where always,it is visible below the ground only when earth is removed from there and a pit is made”

So Lord Shiva exists in Shiva loka and may manifest himself through Brahma in Satya loka.

Adiyen

Thirukachi daasanudasan

P.S: Elayalwaar used to accept advice given by Thirukachi Nambi :)-

P.S: Elayalwaar used to accept advice given by Thirukachi Nambi :)-From enpanifan

Oops! after such nice presentation of your perspective clearly, this last sentence could have been avoided. Mainy because it unecessarily brews a competitive spirit in this forum. Vaishnavas in general avoid a ‘one-upmanship’ attitude. Secondly, unfortunately you have scored a self-goal through this sentence. Elayaazhwar considered himself as Thirukkachchi dasan. And therefore anyone who is Thirukachchi dasanudasan is dasan of Elayaazhwaar.

adiyen dasan.

on November 1, 2020

Yes swamy, not yet attained full shudda sattva :)- so such mistakes do happen.

Also I assumed that when  Elayalwaar Swami though keeps his profile name as Elayalwaar he might still consider himself as Elayalwaar Dasan only.

But i agree the last sentence was not required. But may be if i did not do that mistake, i would have heard your comments..:)-

Adiyen

Thirukachi dasaanudasan.

 

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Beautiful Explanation Elayalwar Swami!

@Enpanifan Swami, after reading/referring/listening to various scriptures referred/written by other sampradaya acharyas, adiyen have come to a personal conclusion that reading/referring/listening to scriptures and explanations given by Sri Vaishnava Acharyas and Sri Velukkudi Swamigal gives adiyen a lot of peace of mind and satisfaction, especially when there is conflicting information. As devareer know, there are multiple paths to reach the same destination but once we select a path, it’s better to not to get distracted and stick to that especially when it’s a superhighway, easiest and guaranteed (like ours), otherwise, we will be keeping on rerouting (same with a GPS system as well). Please pardon if adiyen has said anything wrong. 

on November 2, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye NAmaha,

Badrinarayanan Swamy, thanks for your inputs and sharing your thoughts.

If you notice one of the reference i had given is also from Velukkudi swami’s audio.

I don’t see any conflict between What Srivaishnava Acharyas and Velukkudi swamy state and what other acharyaas state in other sampradayaas.

Usually whatever acharyaas state ( either in Sri Sampradaya or other sampradayas) they will provide references from shruti and smriti.  Those references are what I am asking Elayalwaar swami to present. If such references are not presented, there is no way to be sure if what we write here is what the achaaryaas or speakers wanted to present. ( For example veganism is not promoted by any achaarya.)

In this case i dont see any difference between the different sources, even if there appears to be. In santana dharma upanyaasam series, Swami has highlighted not to focus on the 1% differences but focus on 99% commonalities. so i usually dont dwell on those differences.. but I am just trying to help Elayalwaar Swami come out of aversion to Lord Shiva. If a pure devotee of the Lord is not understood properly and if  I hear such a comment , it is my duty to explain it to the best of my understanding. That is what i am trying to do.

(Moreover, because of such views, Sri Ramanujar’s mercy is not getting reached to thousands of people.., who will otherwise take up Ramanujaar’s path and mercy )

 Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

 

on November 3, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Enpanifan Swami,

It seems devareer is propogating wrong notions on behalf of adiyen by saying you are “trying to help Elayalwaar Swami come out of aversion to Lord Shiva“.

Honestly, Adiyen is not responsible for devareer’s thoughts. In another thread, Adiyen was the one to inform devareer that Shiva is a SriVaishnava and a devotee of SriKrishna, and Adiyen mentioned the references from Srimadh BhagavAtam. Devareer to look back past threads. So Adiyen honestly doesn’t understand devareer’s comment.

 

Anyway, all the above posts in this thread includes with references from Swami’s upanyasams like how Sriman NarayanA created Brahma and inturn He created Manu, …Shiva etc, and Adiyen mentioned thsese only when needed where the question is raised. Swami RamanujAr Dasas only “REGURGITATE” what the granthams/Poorvacharyas says without mixing our thoughts. So, if devareer start listening more deeper poory upanyasam topics, then it should clear devareer’s most dhoubhts.

 

 

Namaskaram All Swami’s,

 

Regarding the side line discussions….

“ElayaAlwar” is a very prestigious name to Adiyen, since Adiyen didnot name it byself, rather it was given by Adiyen’s Asmadh Aacharyan KKC Sholinghur KumaraSingaracharyAr during the same Samasrayanam day on KKC Sholinghur DhoddayAcharyar-VedantacharyAr ThiruvAdi through Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham. The reason why Adiyen’s Acharyan gave the name “ElayaAlwar” to Adiyen is because, adiyen’s Acharyan said, “You are getting the Samasrayanam on same day as Swami RamanujAr’s ThiruNakshathiram day, so I would like to give that name to you”, what else Adiyen need after that Acharyan Anugraham. Also Adiyen Acharyan said, KKC Sholinghur DhoddayAcharyar Thirumaligai practice to say the Dasan Naamam as “Adiyen Srinivasa Dasan“, here Srinivasa doesn’t mean Srinivasa Perumal, it represents “DhoddayAcharyar”, since Swami DhoddayAcharyar is known as ‘Srinivasa Maha Guru“.

So Adiyen keep Acharyan given name “ElayaAlwar” without adding anything to it as seen in Thumbnail display and Adiyen keep the Dasa naamam at the end of each post or even while talking to someone as “Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

Additionally, if anyone clicks adiyen’s Thumbnail (Swami RamanujAr) picture, it will take to Adiyen’s Dharma Sandeha profile, where in the “Location” section, Adiyen put it as “Acharyan ThiruvAdi“, which is the true location for a prapannan.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

 

on November 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Dhanyosmi Elaaywaar swami for sharing your thoughts in mind.

Apologies if i have misunderstood your heart.

Yes i shared  “Shiva is a Vaishnava and a pure devotee of SriKrishna” in other threads, but the point i am trying to convey was not to  equate Lord Shiva with devatas like a position. And Shiva loka is not in satya loka.

Also I requested for provide shruti or smrit references for this statement that “Shiva loka is in satya loka”..

If there is personality eternally who is pure devotee of Krishna and we convert him into a position and that any jeeva can occupy it.. is it acceptable?

I think the confusion has arisen by “rudra” and “Lord Sada Shiva” ( sada means eternal)

Elevated souls can take up the post of Rudras..as Shiva amsas but  Sadashiva is eternal..

Thirukachi daasanudasan

Adiyen

 

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