Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Asmadh Sarva Gurubyo Namaha,
Namaskaram All Swami’s who has similar doubhts,
Though it is very encouraging to see devotees doing Shravanam on Velukkudi Swami’s Basic audios, in which Swami mostly says in Creamy way only on deeper subjects, which tends the listeners to populate further questions.
No worries, there are “Swapadesha Arthams (deeper meaning)” Swami’s audios which clears further doubhts. If devotees hasn’t got yet chance to hear it, then Adiyen will share few from Velukkudi Swami’s such Deeper audios on same subject. It is just an extrapolation or Breakdown of what Adiyen posted above for the initial question with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham.
The Baseline concept/Purpose of Creation needs to be Understood first, if not, our focus will stick to the lower level 14 lokas in each Andam, as who is staying in which loka? since knowing that is not purpose of life (birth), rather reaching Moksham for Nithya Kainkaryam to Sriman NarayanA is purpose of life. However Adiyen will still clarify with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham for further above populated question extracted from adiyen’s above post for the sake of devotees quest.
Details pulled from Velukkudi Swami’s “Yathindra Mata Deepika” and other Swapadesha Arthams Swami’s audios like Tatva Trayam, Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu Puram. Interested devotees when get chance, please listen for BhagavAt/Acharya/Velukkudi Swami’s Anugraham for clear details.
Baseline is to first understand BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA DIRECT AVATARS (a.k.a POORNA AVATARS), without imparting any powers to any other JeevAthmas, means HE IS BY HIMSELF AS PARAMATHMA AVATAR.
‘POORNA Avataram‘ is BhagavAn Sriman NARAYAN HIMSELF with “NO DISCHARGE” of powers to other Jeevathmas.
Example: SriRama, SriKrishna, Sri Narasimha, Sri Varaha, SriVishnu etc… with ALL SUPREME SIX PRIMARY DIVINE QUALITIES (Kalyana Gunas) as
‘1.Gyana (Ultimate Knowledge),
‘2.Bhala (Ultimate Strength),
‘3.Veerya (Ultimate Valour),
‘4.Aishwarya (Ultimate Opulence),
‘5.Shakthi (Ultimate Energy),
‘6.Thejas (Ultimate Luster).
Poorna Avataram of BhagavAn is classified as 5 types:
* Para (Para VASUDEVAN in SriVaikuntam outside Material world/Leela Vibhoothi),
* Vyuha (as below when he jumps to Material world),
* Vibhava (avatars taken inside an Andam of the Material world like Sri Rama, SriKrishna etc..
* Antaryamai (sitting Inside each of the JeevAthmas and monitoring us)
* Archai (In idol forms in temples/homes etc…)
Coming back to the Vyuha Avatram is classified into VasuDeva, Pradyumna, Aniruddha, Sankarshana.
1.Vadudeva Avatram: after jumping from SriVaikuntam to Material world, HE is in Alamara Ilai as a baby prior to start creating the breakdown world’s/devas etc… Then HE takes three below Specific forms to utilize some of HIS Specific Divine Qualities (not all), so HE keeps specific names for such breakdown avatars.
2.Sankarshana Avatram utilizes Gyana & Bhala Qualities for TOTAL Dissolution.
3.Aniruddha Avataram utilizes Veerya & Aishwarya Qualities for TOTAL Protection.
4.Pradhyumna Avataram utilizes Shakthi & Thejas Qualities for TOTAL Creation.
These are BhagavAns DIRECT/POORNA Avatarams (No discharge of powers to other JeevAthmas yet).
After the above baseline understanding, let’s go to the populated doubhts extracted from the answer.
There are two types of Creation process:
‘1) Advaraka Shrishti or Samashti Shristhi (Primary creation) :
Which is SOLEY done by BrahmaM “Sriman NarayanA (Pradhyumna)” only, just easily with HIS SANKALPAM (without any tools or without anyone support), since HE is the only “Sarvagjyan”. HE starts shrsiti only “SRI (MahaLakshmi) blinks HER eyes to Sriman NarayanA start Shrishti as Velukkudi Swamie has said in upanyasams (அவள் கண் இமைத்து காட்டின பின்பு அவன் படைக்கிறான்), why because each JeevAthmas, basically BhaddAthmas like us trapped in DEVA BODIES like Brahma,Shiva etc… or in ordinary human bodies like us, we all JeevAthmas are Perumal-Thayar Children (SOTTHU/Property) and we all need to reach Moksham (SriVsikuntam and not any other lokas) by either following 1) Bhakthi Yoga Margham (karma, gyana, bhakthi) like Brahma, Shiva etc… or choose 2) Sharanagathy Margham, or choose 3) Panchamopaya Margham like Ramanuja Sambhandhi Dasas from any Sampradhayams/religions. But unfortunately because of JeevAthmas Vaasanaas, Ruchi, Karma’s, Avidhya & Prakrithi Sambhandham, they tend to utilize their Jeeva Swathantriyam to reach other Material lokas like Indra loka, Shiva loka, Brahma lokam etc…and some worse case to Naraka loka etc,…and only some reach Moksham/SriVaikuntam (Permanent Relief from Material world) following one of the above three paths.
Eitherway, in this Advaraka Shrishti (Primary Creation), below is what Pradhyumnan does:
First thing Pradhyumnan created the Outside layers of ONE Andam like a Jackfruit outside layers (like Shell first then Fruit inside):
‘3)அகங்கார ஆவரணம் (split to three Satvika, Rajasa, Tamasa Ahankarams)
Then BhagavAn also now starts mixing the Prakrutha Pancha Bhoothams ( Space, Water, Air, Fire, Land) by a process called “Panchikaranam” in proper proportions prior to creating the 14 lokas which was detailed out by BadrinarayanA Ramanuja Dasan Swami clearly in the other thread with Acharya Krupai as below:
Then BhagavAn creates the 14 lokas inside the above untouchable shell. These 14 lokas are like the Juicy Fruit along with Sour Flesh inside the Jackfruit .
These 14 lokas and the inhabitants as adiyen mentioned in above post referred from The SriPerumbuthoor’s Embar JeeyAr Acharya MAP drawn on 1873 with description AS IT IS as adiyen mentioned above at the end of the post.
After the PRIMARY CREATION is all Set for BhagavAn’s Leelai, then HE chooses a Jeevathma who has accumulated “EXPLEMPARY PUNYA KARMAS” by NOT surrendering its Punya karma as “Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu”are given chance to take the respective Deva responsibilities.
‘2) Sadvaraka Shrishti or Vyeshti Shrishti (Secondary creation)
Handed over by “Pradhyumnan (Supreme ParamAthma) to a JeevAthma that was given a 1st Body basically Brahma. Then BhagavAn teaches all Vedas/Shastras on how to create further, since Brahma doesn’t have ability to create everything from Sankalpam since He is a JeevAthma and not ParamAthma. So Velukkudi Swami has said that Brahma keeps chanting the Vedas while doing the secondary creation,and He has no powers to alter any of the Primary creation done by BhagavAn. Brahma is like a Application Usage Engineer and Not Application Developer.
Then Brahma starts the secondary creation process and He chooses other JeevAthmas for Manu, Saanthanika kumaras, Rudra etc to support the creation process.
“நாராயணன் படைத்தான் நான்முகனை (Brahma), நான்முகனுக்கு ஏரார் சிவன் (Brahma’s Son) பிறந்தான் என்றும் சொல்”
[This is the Naan Mughan Thiruvandhaadhi Divya Prabhandham Thaniyan” which is originally taken from Srimad Bhagavatham by Poorvacharyas]
Likewise, there are COUNTLESS Andams each having One Bramha, One Rudra posts occupied by different JeevAthmas, and power of one Brahma in one andam can vary between other brahmas/rudras of other andams.
‘3) Sadvaraka Samharam (Secondary Dissolution)
After Rudra is created by Brahma, BhagavAn assigns the secondary Dissolution process which is taken care by Rudra as a service to BhagavAn (like local samharam only within an Andam)
‘4) Advaraka Samharam (PRIMARY Dissolution)
But remember Rudra has no powers to do the Major samharam like Maha Pralayam which is consolidating/collapsing all 14 lokas of an Andam plus SHUTTING DOWN the ENTIRE COUNTLESS ANDAMS, since that is done by the Supreme BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA in the Vyuha form Sankarshana Avatram who utilizes Gyana & Bhala Divine Qualities for TOTAL Dissolution. It is called Advaraka Samharam.
Praakritha Pralayam (Maha Pralayam) is done After Brahma’s 100 years, all the 14 lokams which constitutes One Andam including Brahma lokam is disssolved. Samsaram (Material world) still exists, but Shristi (creation) is not started and those JeevAthmas who didnot go to Moksham wait for a body till BhagavAn starts next Shristi to follow either of the Three Marghams for Moksham as mentioned initially above.
‘5) Advaraka Rakshanam (PRIMARY Protection)
This is done by BhagavAn HIMSELF who is in Vyuha form as Aniruddhan Avataram who utilizes two of HIS Veerya & Aishwarya Divine Qualities for TOTAL Protection.
So Aniruddhan takes another direct Vyuha form as Vishnu in each Andam to Protect everyone and HE resides along with Brahma and Rudra in Sathya loka. (Sathya Loka is vast and there are separate small lokas like Kaarya Vaikuntam for Vishnu, Brahma loka for Brahma, Shiva loka for Shiva etc within as adiyen mentioned in the above first post for 14 loka inhabitants classification). But “SriVaikuntam” is separate which is beyond all these countless Andams beyond VirajAi Nadhi.
This makes it appear as if Vishnu, Brahma, Shiva are ThriMoorthis (popularly said in practical world) but they are not same since Vishnu is Poorna Avatar (BhagavAn HIMSELF) and other two are JeevAthmas as mentioned initially in above thread. This is like a Company President (Aniruddhan) who is In-Charge for the entire company and others report to him, still keeps one of departments under his control with in his company like Financial department as Vishnu.
BhagavAn doesn’t give this PROTECTION responsibility to anyone else, since we all JeevAthmas (BhaddAthmas) either in Deva Bodies like Brahma, Rudra, etc.. or in ordinary Human bodies like us, ALL are Children/SOTTHU (Property) of the PARENTS ThayAr(SrimAn)-Perumal(NarayanA) , and ONLY they can protect all of us.
So adiyen’s initial post is specific to the question about the 14 lokas only, but this post has more details but short. For further generated questions, adiyen would recommend interested devotees to listen Velukkudi Swami’s “Yathindra Mata Deepika” and other Swapadesha Arthams Swami’s audios like Tatva Trayam, Srimad Bhagavatam, Vishnu Puram to clear ones mind and for BhagavAt Anubhavam.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.
UYYA ORAEY VAZHI UDAYAVAR THIRUVADI
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.