@Srinivasan Pranesh Swamy
“Devarir nanmaikuthan solgiren. Oru velai naam Mokshathil Brahmathirku ellavidhathilum Samamaga aavom endral magizhchiye. Anal ingu ulla varai oru Vaishnavanukku perumai, thannai Daasanu Daasan, Kadayen endru sollikolvathil than irukkiradhu. Idhaiye Acharyargalum virumbuvaarga”
Adiyenukku bhagavath Preethyartham Kainkaryathula ishtam illanu devareer eppadi mudivukku varalaam?
Ippa edhukku “NaichyAnusandhAnathirukku” class edutheer? Naanum perumalum mokshathula onnu nu sonnena?
Where did adiyen refer brahma, Jiva and Jada are equal? Please show me
Sushupthi state la mix aagalanu sollungo? “Shushupthi” term Naana kandu pidichen?
Adhukku badhil varalai
Naa pudicha muyalukku moonu kaal nu pesindrukkeer
Neenga thappa purinjunda adhukku adiyen enna pandrathu?
When adiyen say “Dasanudasan” adiyen mean it summa oppukku sollalai
En Vishnu dasanin dasan
Devareer vaango thiruvadi sevai pandren, paadha Poojai pandren
Adiyen have given enough pramAnAs that brahmam was “Sath CHITH and Anandam” and he is and will be from chAndogya Upanishad Sath vidhya prakaranam with Krishna Premi Swami anugraham then how will adiyen know all these?
“aaseeth” before creation
Adhukku direct badhil varalai
Answer padikkalana adiyen enna pandrathu?
Adiyen also said Jiva is “Anu swaroopam” and paramAthma is “Sarva vyApi”. It’s not own statements it’s all from pramAnAs and from elders after lenghty repeated questioning with politeness
Spoon feed Panna mudiyAdhu swami. Neer effort pottu kathundu engalukkum share pannanum nu prArthikkiren
We are not ready recknoers here neither our sampradhayam is designed that way
“Tad vitthi pranipAthEna pari prashnEna sevayA”
Paduka Muni vAkyA
“VidhyA vinayathEy adhbhutham”
Please read above quote meanings and come back
Adiyen is always vishistAdvaiti and don’t accept Dwaitam and advaitham, as answer is very precise by our Acharyas and convincing to adiyen
Leela vibhuthi la eppudi paakanum
Nithya vibhuthi la eppudi paakanum
nu cleara sollirukka
Adiyen also said ” we are not disconnected from Perumal now” it’s self manifestation. Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy used to repeatedly say this
Only difference ii a we didin’t realise
Realization is Athma Nyaanam for advaiti
But one step above for vishistAdvaiti
Realising AntharyAmi who is slSwatha Siddham
Also it’s my guru’s lineage am proud of it
Requesting to listen
“Para Matha Bhangam of Swami Desikan”
“tAthparya chandrika of SwAmi Desikan”
Adiyen not qualified to say it with so little knowledge
Am a humble vishistAdvaiti who like to let others speak but not when someone starts judging with prejudice that adiye speaking out of pramAnAs
PramAnAs have interpretations that created 3 schools of thought
Interest irundhaa kelvi kelungo adiyen will reach to Asmad Acharyan and get back
Adiyen is sure they know better and more than us and will easily explain to our confused minds
Adiyen is Rangaramanuja Mahadesikar thiruvadi
Uttu kudukka maaten sethalum paravAillai
Same veda says in mahavAkyas
*Shankarar gave his interpretation
*Madhwar also explained his interpretation.
*Illa udayavar explain pannalaya for same mahAvAkyam?
Devarku pinna yen kelvi porandhadhu? Evlo attempt panneer kandupidikka that’s my question?
Open forumla aduthvAlukku theriyAdhu nu soldrathu la sandhoshamA irundhaa please go ahead adiyen won’t stop it
Unmailaiye enakku theriyAdhu but adhunAla onnum koranju poidalai kathuppen kathrikka try pandren
Am not concluding anything here like others
Mahalakshmi thAyarkku moksham kudukka power irukka ? Kelvi . Vadakalai says says. Obviously my elders would have got answers and not simply said it. Adhu avaa interpretation. To find out answers is our responsibility.
Chumma verum debate will not do any good
Ipdi oru vishayam irukku nu therinjukalam avlo dhan
Naalu book vechu naamaley padichu paatha theriyAdhu answer varAdhu
My Vadakalai friend used to say Advaitam seems to be more correct but he is a vishistAdvaiti
Adhu Avar view adiyen thappu sollalai may be avarukku Seri nu patrukalam
When asked he will say set theory from mathematics to prove advaitham
Avar yen set theory Sonnar? Shankarar kudutha adhey example kudu. Solla mudiyAdhu. He decided to tell in my way. So it’s his choice for my acceptance
Velukkudi also said “red color can be removed from saree white colour cannot be removed from dhothi” to explain Apruthak Siddham
Can we ask why Swami is giving own example? That’s because we can understand only this level so he chose that style
Aprom hemy friend showed advaiti’s view of “kArya vaikuntam” which adiyen could not comprehend or accept
There cannot be two srivaikuntams as per adiyen
It’s advaiti stance that kArya vaikuntam is something lower to actual Sri vaikuntam
Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy told SriVaikuntam has another name ” ayOddhya”. Yoddhum na Shakya adyodhya. Yuddham panni jayikka mudiyAdhu.
So andha lokam is altogether different
If vaikuntam is “nacha punar aavarthathey” then how come Jayan Vijayan born on earth?
No declarations with prejudices or presumptions please, let’s make it open ended questions and have open mindee discussions to listen to all three philosophies
All my responses are in alignment with pramAnAs it’s not as if devar has quoted pramAnas and adiyen told from my dreams
You did not bother to read it properly or may have avoided adiyen as ignorant in these talks in your mind from beginning of discussion that’s what I can observe
Convince aagardhum aagadhadhum namma mind seasoning poruthadhu
Let’s not debate on debate itself let’s find out answers but in polite way with reference to context
No individual judgements
If response is okay take it else leave it
If you feel am blabbering that’s fine its how am engineered by Brahman
My AntharyAmi and your AntharyAmi is not able to convince each other may be.
Devareer yar thiruvadi?
With whom did devar undergo kAlakshEpam?
Adiyen not certified for dharga vAdam
So this may be my lack of knowledge to even enter such a debate with so much learned ghanapAdi person like devar