Satvic food

Updated on March 4, 2023 in General
55 on February 24, 2023

Adiyen,

Namaskaram. Adiyen requesting to clarify my doubts on satvic food. In my family, i alone did samashrayanam. My family members not allowing me to follow pooja, to avoid onion and garlic, thirunamam ittu kolvatharuku. Because of this , daily fight arising between in family. As a wife, what shall I do. Am trying to follow and convincing them but no use. Asking me to eat onion and garlic. After age of 50, u can follow. U can do pooja like these , they are telling. My age is 34. I am having 2 daughters, 1 is 6 and 2nd one is 5 month baby.

Adiyen aiswarya ramanuja dasi.

 
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Husband is Perumal.

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5 on February 25, 2023

Adiyen

Swami, aahara suthi vendama?? After avoiding onion garlic, i can feel that I got reduced anger etc etc. Kannan sollirukar geethail, we have to follow na. Krishnar sollitar avlo dhan. Whatever struggles come, i decided not to get back. Swami ramanujar and perumal will help me to make strong. Am i right sir??.

on February 25, 2023

Namaskaram Amma

You have to make a complete surrender to Sri Krishna

The best example is Draupadi
Draupadi called for help holding her saree in one hand first – Krishna didn’t come

But later Draupadi called for help with both of hands off the saree – amazingly Krishna came instantaneously

What does this mean

Why did Krishna didn’t come first
And how did Krishna came instantaneously from thousands of kilometres away?

The answer to these questions is the solution for your scenario

Firstly what your facing now is not a problem it is an invitation from Krishna to surrender to him completely

Let’s take the first scenario

Draupadi called for help holding her saree in one hand first – Krishna didn’t come

Your exactly in the same scenario

Draupadi is still trying to help herself by holding the saree in one hand and asking for help, it is not complete surrender

She is trying to resist the harm done to her
She is still a doer

Krishna sees this and will do more harm to her until she surrenders completely

So Krishna in the form of your Husband is harming you to make you understand that no matter what you do you cannot receive his love

Let’s take the second scenario

But later Draupadi called for help with both of hands off the saree – amazingly Krishna came instantaneously

Now Draupadi made a complete surrender by releasing her hands off her saree without worrying about the consequences

Krishna saw this , his love was instantaneous for those who trust him and surrender to him completely
His help was instant

And how did he come instantaneously from far distance

See no matter
who you are
What your doing
What is your age
Whether your a theist or atheist
Whether you do Pooja or not
Whether you follow Gita or not
Whether you take Sattvic diet or not
Whether you get more angry or less anger
Whether you fight or love your family

Sri Krishna is always with everybody, everytime waiting for the moment of complete surrender and he will do whatever he wants to do to make you surrender – he even takes care of while your sleeping and waiting for that single event of Complete surrender

So don’t worry about doing just observe what is happening – don’t resist anything

spiritual thiruvaradhanai is spontaneous and effortless

Don’t try to do, just observe the doing of Sri Krishna

Your already liberated
Sit and relax in your sofa and observe the doing of Krishna

hope you got it

This is the least orthodox way of helping you

But it worked for adiyen
adiyen was also in the same scenario

It worked
adiyen is enjoying the love of Sri Krishna
No words can explain the ecstasy of being with him
adiyen can be without any harm even in hell as no matter where adiyen is going to be Sri Krishna is always going to be there with adiyen

Reach the state of no needing anything

adiyen
Do reply if required

on February 25, 2023

Your statement and words are right. I take it as that lord krishna is commanding me through your words. Yesterday were some clashes but today in brahma muhurth, i did meditation and chant om namo narayana. After that my mind was very clear and i became free from worries. Its made miracle. After that only i replied as whatever may be the situation, let me follow as per aacharyar and krishna upadesh. Thanks a lot for clear statement. Now i understood. Thanks a lot. Adiyen.

on February 26, 2023

Namaskaram Amma
It’s all divine grace
IT was Sri Krishna in the form of devareer husband made you to surrender

Start listening to upanyasam by Sri velukudi Swami whenever you get time

Try to help people either financialy or through service whatever is possible who are doing service to SRI KRISHNA which we can’t do

Also try this link
https://youtube.com/@YourHigherSelf_

Sri Krishna speaks to me through this everyday

Happy Krishna love

adiyen

on February 26, 2023

Also feel free to contact me for whatever spiritual thing you want

vasanthi.seran@gmail.com
9597275258

on February 27, 2023

Swamy,
Don’t share personal details publicly. It may be misused Kinchit has email facility. . Krishna is with you & me as well. So this Krishna reminding to your Krishna.
Dasanudasan

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Adiyen got samashrayanam too. My guru is my uncle (Swayamachar) and he is very lenient. His son loves onion 🧅 and garlic 🧄. So my uncle gets food from his daughter’s house whenever his son cooks in kitchen.

After your 6 year old daughter goes to school 🏫 and your hubby goes to office, you can start to look after your 5 month old daughter. You are a free bird till your family comes home and you can wait for such times of the day or night when you become free from samsaram.

Some children secretly throw out unwanted but healthy food. Krishna used to break pots of butter milk because they were watery stuff and he preferred only fresh butter (navaneet).
You can take a leaf 🌿 out of Krishna ‘s life and wait to throw away 🧅 and eat food 🥑 selectively

on February 25, 2023

Very very thanks . Adiyen

on February 26, 2023

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

I would like to share few suggestions in this regard.

Yes eating onion and garlic etc. is not satvik and must be avoided. But if such avoidance results in fights and quarrels, passion or rajas and tamas will also come in.(time spent in arguments can be used for hearing songs or upanyasams which can increase sattva guna)

Having Saatvik diet is essential for brahmins who are reading vedas to understand the subtle meanings of vedas. For us those in normal daily activities , this is good to have but not very critical. (There are other ways to increase satva- being in nature, hearing upanyasams, namasankeertanam etc. so dont think that this is the end of the world..)

You can start with one or two items being prepared without onion and garlic , for exclusive offering to Perumaal and share with family members.. ( need not explain to them)

 

Regarding pooja etc, it can be done informally , indirectly, you can sing devotional songs for your 5 month old baby, you can do it with devotion and it will be accepted as pooja by the Lord. Similarly, while cooking you can hear songs or upanyasam etc.. so make the devotional acts indirect for some time until your family members change by Lord’s grace.

I would suggest think about long term benefits and do not get carried away by specific rules and regulations at this point of time.. peace in family life is the first important step, more so for children’s future.

Adiyen

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0 on February 27, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Shastram says
“Dharma PathnyA Saha”

There is no greater God than Pathvratha BhAvam

Husband’s kriya half punyam automatically flows fo Dharma Pathni.

In our Sampradayam woman is not singles out any way.

Though I like Meera Bai, not a big fan of her because extreme cases are exceptions. Exceptions are never examples

Adiyen cannot comment on anyone’s bhakthi. If we are at that extreme level whatever we do is acceptable by Sri Krishna

I am not eating husband eating!
There are 2 thaligais?

Let’s avoid misconceptions. Does SriVaishnavam ask to lose family peace?

AchAryan mela BhArathai potutu aathula co-operate pannuvadhey sirandhadhu

I will tell Sri Ramakrishna Paramhamsa story
This is repeat story
Wife: Swamy, you are engrossed into some divine experience? What is it? Let me also experience?
Swamy: Ok come, take
Wife: She sat for hours meditating

Wife (woke up): Swamy, you have not eaten for two days. I missed to cook food for you. I don’t need any individual experience whatsoever. Please take back divine experience and allow me to be humble wife.

Now you decide.

Dasanudasan

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namaskAram enpaNifan swAmy,

dhEvarIr’s points were all good tips. But let’s see this statement:

“Having Saatvik diet is essential for brahmins who are reading vedas to understand the subtle meanings of vedas. For us those in normal daily activities , this is good to have but not very critical. (There are other ways to increase satva- being in nature, hearing upanyasams, namasankeertanam etc. so dont think that this is the end of the world..)”

Actually AhAra niyamam is common for all 4 varNams. There may be slight variations according to the different varNams, but certain aspects of AhAra niyamam has to be followed certainly by all 4 varNams, if they are SrIvaishNavas.

Otherwise dhEvarIr’s points were all nice tips regarding this question.

Moreover adiyEn will add another point here. Although it is not possible to follow all the rules cent percent in this scenario, the desire to follow AhAra niyamam fully must be there. If we are not able to fully follow the rules in our present scenario, the craving to follow it fully must be there certainly. Otherwise surely samsAram will pull us down.

adiyEn would be happy to continue with this discussion if needed.

adiyEn dhAsan.

on February 28, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

My Veda Vith VadhyAr’s Swamy’s family used to eat pundu and onion in SriRangam

EnPaniFan Swamy is correct. Peace takes more priority else the whole intention of SAthvikam will lead to frustration and anger.

Oru Vishayam supress panna panna dhan it will overcome us. If we leave it to the flow things will settle down.

I was initially very very strict on food after BaranyAsam then my mother father getting old & ill. My wife started giving onion & garlic as medicinal food.

Only EkAdashi vratham am strictly following now.

I stepped down & accepted the fact. We can’t do two or more thaligais (2 cooking not possible)

This is my situation I am not asking everyone to be the same. Those who can, can . The purpose of SAthvik food is to be at self ease & peace. If it leads to conflict & you lose mana shanthi what’s the point?

Dasanudasan

SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:

Yes it’s difficult to fully follow, all the rules. adiyEn accept it. But let’s see what adiyEn already stated in the previous reply:

“Moreover adiyEn will add another point here. Although it is not possible to follow all the rules cent percent in this scenario, the desire to follow AhAra niyamam fully must be there. If we are not able to fully follow the rules in our present scenario, the craving to follow it fully must be there certainly. Otherwise surely samsAram will pull us down.”

This is the essence to be taken here, swAmy.

Each of us has our own capability. adiyEn don’t know dhEvarIr’s personal situation. dhEvarIr doesn’t know adiyEn’s personal situation. So the point adiyEn made was, even though we are not able to perfectly follow the rules, if the strong desire to follow is there, surely we will be able to follow one day.

adiyEn dhAsan.

on February 28, 2023

Namaskaram vikraminside Swami

What devareer had told and happened seems the best

“I stepped down & accepted the fact”

This is complete surrender – devareer is right

This gives you peace instantaneously and that is liberation

Devareer gave up the doership and accepted what is programmed for devareer

Yes ofcourse one should have the desire to strictly follow what shastras as told by shravanan of Swami’s Upanyasams

But this is law of attraction by the ego
In this scenario this will materialise definitely for the ego what it desires for by the law of attraction but its a circuitous way – it may take many incarnations also – the destination is once again the same.

But what vikraminside Swami is made is surrender the egoness is lost instantaneously – no more incarnations – only peace is left

As we have seen in literature and epics liberation was instantaneous for those egos which surrendered

But not for the egos which made the effort to get liberated

Accepting what is designed for the ego is the best way to surrender- ego becomes adiyen once it surrender to AHAM and as Swami told no karma for adiyen

if the ego is going to resist or desire it is either negative karma or positive karma – ego still stealing or robbing AHAM it is going to be karma

How easy is surrendering if the ego has MAHAVISWASAM accepting what ever AHAM does irrespective of the consequences

Swami devareer thiruvadigaluku saranam

adiyen

on March 1, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Please don’t use big words
Only be Sharanam to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy. Adiyen is waste fellow.

@Shravanan Swamy & @Madan Swamy

This is the essence from MahA Yogi “Jata Bharathar’s” last life we can take. “Go with the flow & don’t push it too hard, accept & continue”.

Swamy’s every life was a better revision of previous life form. Swamy did not mix jeeva KaruNyam with attachment in last life.

Swamy held both BhAvAms in perfect “check & balance”

* Swamy jumped for ants while lifting Palanquin – Jeeva KaruNyam
* Swamy was untouched when his own life was threatened – Disattachment

This is “Manas” in complete control adiyen beleive.

Thanks both the Swamy for your valuable information. 🙏🙏🙏🙏

Dasanudasan

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SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:

A beautiful enpaNi audio was blessed by our swAmy regarding this today. Please hear enpaNi 2760.

adiyEn dhAsan.

on March 1, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Yes adiyen.

Swamy says in 2760
“There is no substitute to hardwork”

There is always a provision in our shAstram for vyAdhi grastha. Meaning there are exemption for ill people.

How are we going to determine what is the “medicine combination”? Do we ever examine? This animal extract insulin or fruit extract insulin?

Same Shastram says “not to go to foreign” are we not going? So practical applicability is important.

Dasanudasan

I didn’t hear this statement in 2760

[quote author=”There is always a provision in our shAstram for vyAdhi grastha. Meaning there are exemption for ill people.”From ”Swamy

shAstram is very practical; and our swamy’s guidance is also very practical. That is why shAstram explicitly states the exception in case of aushadam.

Just like shAstram is learnt from a guru, ‘medicine combination’ is learnt from a vaidhya. So, tadi eduththavan ellaam thandaalkaaranaaga thevai-illai. Both shAstram and medicine, if we really know we can share with others purely. Sometimes we are tempted to state our own interpretation defined by our state of mind and prescribe it for others too. Such temptations can be avoided.

[quote author=”Do we ever examine? This animal extract insulin or fruit extract insulin?From ”How

Yes, many people do. The option for that exists. Vegan medicine has a good market niche. In some extreme cases, ayurvedic medicine has animal based ingredients too. in such cases one can take them as (prescribed) medicine if doing so will help one continue with kainkaryams in this life. But there are some rare people who completely avoid such medicines and stick to “aushadam jaanavi thoyam, vaidhyo Naaraayano Harih”

Repeat: Shastram is very practical; so are acharyas/ gurus who purely preach it. The same shastram which says “not to cross the seas” also says “if one happens to cross them follow these purification procedures and take panca-gavyam”. In his enpani audio on crossing the seas, our swamy does not defend ‘it is okay to cross’. He strongly says “it is prescribed not to cross; just because I crossed I should not justify saying ‘I did so for preaching purpose’. Even for such noble purposes, if one crosses, one has to undergo the purificatory process which includes consuming panca-gavyam.”

This is the “practical applicability” prescribed by shastram and exemplified by our swamy.

[quote author=”So practical applicability is important. Dasanudasan From ”Same

Yes, you may check with shastram-authorities and ask them the practical applicability prescribed by shastram – “Since I can not give a prescribed amount of garlic to the patient for whom it is prescribed, since we have to cook it with the entire meal for the whole family, can I consume a spoonful for panca-gavyam at the end of every meal? Does shatram suggest this method or any such method by which I can restore myself to satva gunam?”

good luck.

Rewriting to avoid confusion caused by formatting error in the above:

 

Swamy says in 2760
“There is no substitute to hardwork”

I didn’t hear this statement in 2760

There is always a provision in our shAstram for vyAdhi grastha. Meaning there are exemption for ill people.

shAstram is very practical; and our swamy’s guidance is also very practical. That is why shAstram explicitly states the exception in case of aushadam

How are we going to determine what is the “medicine combination”? Do we ever examine? This animal extract insulin or fruit extract insulin?

Yes, many people do. The option for that exists. Vegan medicine has a good market niche. In some extreme cases, ayurvedic medicine has animal based ingredients too. in such cases one can take them as (prescribed) medicine if doing so will help one continue with kainkaryams in this life. But there are some rare people who completely avoid such medicines and stick to “aushadam jaanavi thoyam, vaidhyo Naaraayano Harih”

Same Shastram says “not to go to foreign” are we not going?

Repeat: Shastram is very practical; so are acharyas/ gurus who purely preach it. The same shastram which says “not to cross the seas” also says “if one happens to cross them follow these purification procedures and take panca-gavyam”. In his enpani audio on crossing the seas, our swamy does not defend ‘it is okay to cross’. He strongly says “it is prescribed not to cross; just because I crossed I should not justify saying ‘I did so for preaching purpose’. Even for such noble purposes, if one crosses, one has to undergo the purificatory process which includes consuming panca-gavyam.”

This is the “practical applicability” prescribed by shastram and exemplified by our swamy.

So practical applicability is important.

Yes, you may check with shastram-authorities and ask them the practical applicability prescribed by shastram – “Since I can not give a prescribed amount of garlic to the patient for whom it is prescribed, since we have to cook it with the entire meal for the whole family, can I consume a spoonful for panca-gavyam at the end of every meal? Does shatram suggest this method or any such method by which I can restore myself to satva gunam?” good luck.

on March 2, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“I didn’t hear this statement in 2760” –
You will not hear this because you did not listen
Audio 6:57
“Kashtapattu padiththAl dhAn neraya mArk Varum”

Adiyen usually don’t sleep in Sri Velukkudi’s class.

Dasanudasan

on March 2, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Thanks fo shloka
““aushadam jaanavi thoyam, vaidhyo Naaraayano Harih”

My dad used to be:
“LankaNam Parama Aushadham”

Hungry is the best medicine.

I saw true Jata Bharathan in my father. The way he used to adjust was incredible.

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Look Swamy,
You can interpret the way you want

I see learning from the life of my Guru

Dushyanth Sridhar:
You can wear anything

Velukkudi:
Traditional attire has meaning

So , I take Velukkudi only. I see his life as a teaching

You can keep doing the defending job, i already told “am least bothered”

Dasanudasan

Glad to know you see our swamy’s life as teaching.

It appeared your post is counteracting his words, in the sense “if going abroad is okay, eating garlic is okay; that is what is practical applicability”.

Since the post seemed to counter swamy’s advise, I jumped in to defend.

 

on March 3, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

No Swamy,

Adiyen’s intention was to say for practical purpose we can put “BhAram” on Bhagawan.

Swamy remember devareer listened to SanAthanam best practices version 1 & 2 by our Velukkudi Swamy?

“We are doing KAmOkArsheeth for doing adhyayanam during anadhyayana kAlam”

To that level adiyen should have been. Rest everything is compromise.

Adiyen’s main point was “Being too strict should not lead to deviation from basics”

Eg: To maintain SAthvikam fighting in the family!!!?

The whole idea is to be SAthvikam , why one should fight in family? Leave it to Bhagawan.

In our Sampradayam many Gurus are telling “I do mistakes doesn’t mean you can do, read correct scripture & do accordingly”

Eg: Ahobhilam Swamy in YouTube who taught great elaborate Tarpanam. At end shared disclaimer.

It boils down to “YathA Shakthi:”. Mistakes are human.

Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Dasanudasan

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SrImathE rAmAnujAya nama:

adiyEn will try to share some of the things adiyEn learnt as a reply to some of the points.

“I stepped down & accepted the fact”This is complete surrender – devareer is right This gives you peace instantaneously and that is liberationFrom MADAN

This is surrender to the mind, not to bhagavAn. This may appear to give temporary peace. But this would prolong our stay in samsAram. But this does not mean that adiyEn is asking to create trouble in the family life. Since we are not able to follow all the rules of AhAra niyamam, the regret for not following must be there. In fact not only for AhAra niyamam, but in general we must always desire to be under the shade of our AchAryas’ teachings.As demonstrated by nammAzhwAr in thiruviruththam 1st pAsuram, “இந்நின்ற நீர்மை இனியாம் உறாமை” – I cannot withstand my current situation of being caught in this samsAram, one should have great dislike for the life in this material world. To overcome that, one should have great desire to reach paramapadham. This is explained as “ஸம்ஸாரத்தில் அடிக்கொதிப்பு” – being in material world is like walking on burning hot sand. When one is caught walking on sand, the person will look for shade in a great hurry. samsAram is compared to burning hot sand and paramapadham is explained as a cool shade.

Yes of course one should have the desire to strictly follow what shastras as told by shravanan of Swami’s UpanyasamsBut this is law of attraction by the egoFrom MADAN

There is no ego, if we follow the rules out of love and devotion for emperumAn. The rules are followed for pleasing emperumAn. SAsthram is the foundation for SrIvaishNavas. We must try to be dependent on SAsthram for every action we do.

This is the essence from MahA Yogi “Jata Bharathar’s” last life we can take. “Go with the flow & don’t push it too hard, accept & continue”.

Swamy’s every life was a better revision of previous life form. Swamy did not mix jeeva KaruNyam with attachment in last life.Swamy held both BhAvAms in perfect “check & balance”

* Swamy jumped for ants while lifting Palanquin – Jeeva KaruNyam
* Swamy was untouched when his own life was threatened – DisattachmentFrom vikraminside

So ultimately even dhEvarIr accepts that jada bharathar was detached from material life. jada bharathar realised the uncertainty and problems in samsAram. In fact he was very much detached such that he didn’t wear any clothes, and he didn’t even bother when people abused him. So he actually didn’t go along the flow. Rather he went against the flow. But at the same time he was a gyAni. So we can learn what can be followed and understood from jada bharathar’s life from an AchAryar and it would be very much helpful to follow SAsthram and thus please emperumAn and our AchAryas.

adiyEn dhAsan.

This is surrender to the mind, not to bhagavAnFrom Shravanan of Swami's Upanyasams

Well said!

Surrendering to Perumal means surrendering to His instructions. It does not mean ‘to chose the convenient way out’ and assume that to be ‘surrender’. 

One more excellent example of surrender is Prahaladan. He did not ‘surrender’ to the situation and chant the Hiranyakashipu mantra. He continued to chant Lord Narayana’s name despite the challenges around him on a daily basis.

adiyen dasan.

on March 2, 2023

Namaskaram Shravanan of Swami’s Upanyasams and kambandasan swamigal

Yes both the swamigal talk about Bhakthi yoga.
Bhakti yoga is totally different from surrendering.
Surrendering cannot be explained or understood or refuted from the perspective of Bhakthi yoga.it is totally a different thing.

and kambandasan Swami It is well-known that Prahalad did Bhakti yoga not surrender.Prahalad is not an example of surrendering , he is the pioneer of Bhakthi yoga.Bhakthi yoga is totally different margam for salvation, it is not equivalent to surrender.

And Shravanan of Swami’s Upanyasams Swami

there is no question of mind from spiritual perspective, there is possibility of mind only from materialistic perspective, but yes what you told is correct surrendering to the mind is a possiblity, this is called as spiritual ego, but that is not what was told by the word surrender from the perspective of spontaneity.

The happenings of surrender is not in that plane.it is possible only by the “the divine widened gaze” and that is beyond the scope of this discussion.

Madan swamy,

as pointed out many times before, you are almost always writing your opinions on sastra and not what vaishnava acharyas have explained sastram to mean.

I apologise I don’t have the time and inclination to write elaborately on each point and explain how it deviates from vaishnava acharyas’ explanations. You can systematically hear from your guru or from Vellukkudi swamy, and base your discussion on their words.

Until then if someone wants to take your explanations seriously, that is their problem.

 

Likewise, Vikram swamy, to say “I’ll am following Velukkudi swamy for ‘what dress to wear’, I am following guru2 for eating poondu, I’ll follow guru3 for something else..” this kind of multiple gurus as it suits one’s convenience is also equivalent to following the dictates of one’s own mind which is influences by the combination of tri-gunam one is situated at that time. Another problem with this constantly shifted ‘followership’ is, it could push one to make offensive statements about different gurus at different times… as we have witnessed in this forum. So, kindly take caution.

 

adiyen.

typos in the above posting

  1. influenced by the combination (not influences by)
  2. constantly shifting (not constantly shifted)
on March 3, 2023

Swami

See what devareer have told

“your” and it was underlined to highlight the word

Devareer’s understanding of the word “your” seems to be different from the perspective of the subject

So all the ideas of devareer is based upon that understanding

But from the perspective of the happening, the word “your” doesn’t exist at all

So it is obvious devareer is trying to explain to a non existent activity

All look at the statement devareer has posted in one of the replies

“Since the post seemed to counter swamy’s advise, I jumped in to defend'”

How obviously and casually the word “I” is used

And does Swami need anyone or anything to defend,
Whats the point , will Swami ask anybody to do that,

If it is said that the act of defending is done out of Bhakthi , then it is ridiculous , while doing Bhakthi one is seeking something and It will become obvious that devareer’s act of defending is out of expectations or it is conditional , simply it is a method to impress somebody.

Finally

“I apologise I don’t have the time and inclination to write elaborately on each point and explain how it deviates from vaishnava acharyas’ explanation”

If there is no time and inclination for devareer then for what devareer has started expressing the ideas in this discussion, only to defend Swami?

Well it appears to be a gross deviation of Shastra as told by the Vaishavism

Oh my God! going through the same cycle again!

In one of the previous posts (may be one or two years ago) you brought up this discussion on not mentioning pronouns like “I” and “you” because these identities do not exist in reality. I have already elaborated to you that this is precisely the root cause of your misconceptions. In Vaishnavism “I” and “you” and “Him” exists eternally. Now you are going through the same cycle again! 

I am not the right person to explain to you. All I can do is to suggest you to please hear submissively Bhagavad Gita 2.12 from a Vaishnava acharya. That will set right this fundamental misconception. Once you have cleared this stage we can discuss further.

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From a Vaishnava point of view it is absolutely essential to jump in and defend when there is an offence to an elevated Vaishnava.

One person says “I take poondu by following such-n-such guru, and that is the practical applicability in life. It is just like people going abroad”. But when it is clearly explained that, to follow sastram’s prescription even in case of going abroad is the ‘practical applicability’, immedaitely there is a flip in argument saying “I follow langanam parama aushadam”. My silly brain does not understand how langanam and eating poondu can happen simultaneously!

If someone frequently flip flops between two states of ‘deep devotion’ and ‘challenging, (sometimes abusive / offensive) posts’ against our swamy, then the appropriate way to help the person is to point out their fallacy whenever they on the offensive state.

 

Likewise, when someone is presenting a so-called philosophy that is not in line with Vaishnava acharyas, then the best way to help that person is to point out their fallacy and explain. If they are recalcitrant to understand the explanation, then atleast point out the fallacy and guide them to hear from Vaishnava Acharyas, and keep hoping atleast this will have effect on them.

 

adiyen.

 

While on it let me add:

What is this ‘going with the flow is surrender’ ideology?

Did Vibheeshana go with the flow and continue to serve Ravana?

Did Gajendra go with the flow and submit himself as food to the crocodile?

If as a women I am disrobed by Dushshanana, should I go with the flow and give-in to the disrobing?

 

No! In each case, the historical personalities chose to submit to the Lord – each person did so in a manner suitable for one’s own situation.

I hope you will not say these are not examples of surrender / saranagathi.

 

I beg you, please get cleared of you past misconceptions, get firmly grounded in vaishnava philosophy. Thank you.

If you are going to keep coming with newer ways to justify your misconception… good luck to you. I have tried my best to assist you; There is nothing more I can do.

adiyen.

on March 3, 2023

See what devareer has told

“Oh my God! ”

This one phrase invalidates everything devareer told

So devareer’s advice holds good for devareer itself, its all the Leela , how beautifully the advice for devareer came from devareer itself

Please don’t get frustrated, its all part of the Leela, experience it

on March 3, 2023

Any way Swami lets stop the discussion
Topic is too much deviated
Thanks for everything Swami
It was great experience
Kamban Swami thiruvadigaluku saranam

Perumal created this leela vibhuti to keep those of us who are rebellious to good advice to learn sasstram properly from acharayas, those of us who are stubborn to stick to our misconception and even propagate that as if it is authentic knowledge, (…to keep us) bound in this world  as long as we choose to remain stubborn. In that sense it is His leela. Beyond that He is not responsible for our foolishness. We are responsible for our foolishness.(To understand this better, please submissively hear BG 5.14 and 5.15 from a vaishnava acharya.

 

And, ‘saranam’ is to be done to a person who is qualified to offer saranagathi. It can be done to acharyas. Not any ordinary person. So, please please please stop your irresponsible posts.

Thank you.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

In this thread adiyen don’t understand one thing

* Pei Azhwar site is in ruins – How many of you responded to that thread?
* There is no AgrahAram

Yet we talk in lengths & depths of AhAra Niyamam & SAthvikam ?

What is our contribution in restoring the Sampradayam?

Why are we living a “reel life”?
Are you not going with the flow?

Any steps taken?

Dasanudasan

Vikaram swamy,

Each one of us is indeed contributing our little in our own respective way. We didn’t look for any recognition or we didn’t simple seek some attention from the forum.

Just because your repeated inconsistent statements have been explicitly brought to light, you are trying divert the discussion; but you don’t realise that this diversion is also your weak ground.

Had you said “This divine site is in ruins; I am taking such-n-such step; please assist your little mite” then people would have responded to you.

Had you said, “This divine site is in ruins. I don’t know what to do; if you are doing something meaningful please let me know I’ll add my little mite to yours” then also people might have responded to you.

Simply doing oppari and trying to draw attention to oneself… the forum members are tired of such antics. The different attention grabbing tactics include “I am leaving the forum” “I said I am leaving the forum why you have not unsubscribed me” “I am sorry I offended  person X” “Person X is very bad” “This forum is the best” “This forum members are not good” (and if nobody responds to such posts, then level of antics increases “Perumal is blind” “Vaishnavism is bad” “Velukudi swamy is wrong” … and then this is followed by ….”I committed an offence” “I am leaving this forum” “I said I am leaving the forum but you have not unsubscribed me” (cycle continues).

 

 

 

on March 3, 2023

Kambandasan Swami ,

Devareer seems to be very frustrated,why so much hatred and anger,

It is all because of devareer misconceptions
See how resistant devareer is, there is no love at all.
What all the advice devareer told holds good for devareer itself

Please take it seriously and start from the scratch, devareer has to learn a lot, don’t get trapped by frustration and anger.

Please relax

Lets stop the discussion

on March 3, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“simple seek some attention from the forum” ?

So if tomorrow Madhavaperumal temple is demolished and someone publishes, it will be termed as “seeking attention”

WoW.

Ramanuja DivyAngya VardhathAm AbhiVardhathAm

🙏🙏🙏🙏

Dasanudasan

on March 3, 2023

Vikram Swami please let’s Stop the discussion

No point in discussing with someone trapped in anger and frustration

on March 3, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“Had you said “This divine site is in ruins; I am taking such-n-such step; please assist your little mite” then people would have responded to you.”

– There were many attempts to HR & CE but went to deaf ears according to the news article.

Please read that article or I will scan & share.

If I had known what is the correct route I would have asked for help. You are an dea depot right? why don’t you come up with a good one? You are only good in finding faults is it?

Anyway you are only good enough in piggybacking that’s all I could sense from devareer’s response. You keep saying so much as “Bheeshma Sthuthi” in this forum. Why not at this one?

Simply because you look at the individual not at the topic. Of course that topic was meant for attention seeking but not at the individual.

A blatant reason as to why our community is not developing & filled with fake Iyengars!

Also I cannot put all steps taken publicly.

Anyway nothing from stalwart’s end what’s the point in curd rice stories?

Happy Ekadashi

Dwadashi mixture saapidungo.

Dasanudasan

on March 3, 2023

*idea depot

It is all because of devareer misconceptions
See how resistant devareer is, there is no love at all.From MADAN

Can you clearly state what my misconception is as perceived by you?
I have clearly told you what your fundamental misconception is – you have not understood the eternal individuality (identify) of the soul. This has been explained before and again in this thread you have been told which part of Bhagavad Gita to listen.

Likewise, if you really identify a point where my understanding of vaishnava philosophy is wrong, please do state it explicitly; and indicate the correct source of information.

Simply making a generic statement and dodging away from one’s own misconception merely shows you in bad light. avoid it.

——- 

Of course one has to be angry and the Ramanuja darshanam is misrepresented. If one is not angry then how can he consider himself as a follower?

 

VS is ‘angry and frustrated’ that divine temples are being neglected; this feeling has to be there. Beyond that how we contribute our mite is the question. “people did not respond to my post” – this anger is not good.

—–

“There is no love?” To help you identify your misconceptions and show you the right source of information is an expression of love. When gentle requests fail, use of stronger words is an expression of love.

Love is not just a romantic feeling. It is doing the best thing for the person you care for.

Initially my effort was to explain to you. But when I realised that is not working, I had to restrain my love and simply direct you to specific sections in sastram that will address your misconception.

 

Hope you will take these seriously and we will meet in Vaikuntha at the end of this life.

 

on March 4, 2023

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“people did not respond to my post” – this anger is not good.” – Respond to the issue not to “MY” post.

Next “Punithar” title award goes to Sri Kambandasan Swamy.

He knows mind reading

Dasanudasan

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Ok Madan Swamy
Stopped

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