Is Perumal Hindu, Muslim or Christian?

Updated on July 15, 2019 in Avatars
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

We see lot of categories. Vadakalai Perumal, Thenkalai Perumal. Some say Perumal is everything all inclusive so the ones who worship in different form is also Perumal.

Can Perumal be categorised like us?

Dasanudasan

 
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

 

Dear All Bhagavata’s,

 

 

Acharya Krupayaal, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Arulal, Adiyen will SHARE from Swami’s upanyasams.

 

 

PERUMAL is a unique term that SriVaishavaites of South India especially TamilNadu use to mention SRIRAMA BhagavAn only. Like Perumal is not applied for SriKrishna.

But the original name of The Supreme BhagavAn is “PARAMATHMA”.

BhagavAn changes HIS “ROOPAM (appearance)” in each avatars like vaamana, Marsha, varaha, SriRamPa, Sri Krishna, hygreeva etc….., but HE keeps “SWAROOPAM/SWABHAVAM (Nature of BhagavAn/HIS Unlimited Kalyana Gunas)”  ALWAYS SAME in each avatars. This type is called “POORNA AVATARAM”.

 

And this ONE-AND-ONLY “PARAMATHMA” resides inside as “Antharathma” as well as spread outside as “VIPU”. So our ParamAthma is common inside a Hindu 🕉 or Christian ✝ or Muslim ☪ or Sikh etc…..or inside a Atheist or a non-devotee residing as

 

“अङ्गुष्ठमात्रक पुरुषः”

(aGguSThamAtraka PuRusHaha)

Means residing in each of their own Hridhaya Kamalam (Heart) of their own Thumb (aGguSTham).

 

BhagavAn allows devotees to workshop in two types depending up on their own Vaasanaas/Ruchi/Karmas,

  1. Aruva Vazhipaadu (non diety forms)
  2. Uruva Vazhipaadu (deity forms)

All HE cares, as long as you pray ME, I’M HAPPY in whichever way you can.

 

Gajendra Azhvan (Elephant), did not call “NarayanA” names or other names of BgagavAn like Krishna, Givinda etc….when the crocodile caught its keg when Gajendra elephant went for bath and plucked a lotus to offer to BhagavAn.

Gajendra 🐘 called “Aadhi Moolame (ஆதி மூலமே)“, means “Oh Lord, who is responsible for every creation”. First Brahma and Shiva leaped to help Gajendra since they are responsible for creation/Samharam, but when Gajendra used the word “Aadhi”, then Brahma &Shiva stepped back, since there is a CAUSE behind their own existence (Sriman Narayanan created Brahma and in turn He created Shiva).

 

So BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn is the “NishKaaranam (நிஷ் காரணம்)”, means there is NO CAUSE for HIS existence.

 

Same way Christians doesn’t know the Supreme BhagavAn Sriman Naraysnan’s name, but they say “ALMIGHTY GOD”, which is nothing but “Aadhi Moolame”. So it refers to our same BhagavAn and HE will descend for anyone who asks for HIS help with pure love/devotion.

 

BhagavAn Sriman Sriman Narayanan is taking a different approach in this Kali Yuga to bring the learned scholars/devotees and non spiritual devotees of all religions to a common platform as “Respect for Living being Entity” whether Humans or Animals or Birds etc..So which is nothing but our term (CHIT /Insentitient), since at the end, BhagavAn ALMIGHTY’S Krupai leads to Moksham (Liberation/Salvation), irrespective of our Knowledge as Swami says:

Pettrukku Upayam Nin PeruArule

பேற்றுக்கு உபாயம் நின் பேருஅருளே

 

பேற்றுக்கு → Moksham (Peru Verdi),

உபாயம் → Route to Moksham,

நின் → Yours (BhagavAn’s),

பேருஅருளே → Causeless Mercy (NirHedhukai Krupaietc..So, BhagavAn is sitting inside the heart if every Humans of all religions as

“अङ्गुष्ठमात्रक पुरुषः”

(aGguSThamAtraka PuRusHaha)

to give Moksham and HE likes all types of Bhakthi on HIM whether Aruvam (non diety workship) or Uruvam (diety worship). All HE expects is “UNITY IN DIVERSITY” as Upanishadh says “Sheba Poorva Anudhyanam BhakthiRidh Abhideeyadhe (With Love pure heart, you offer your devotion/prayers on ME and consider all belong to  MY DIVINE Body”.

 

 

We all Hindus, Christians, Muslims etc…belong to “Living Being (CHIT) Religion” with Mercy of Almighty The Supreme, and we learned people should remember this more than any other people. So we SHOULD ASK MOKSHAM ON THEIR BEHALF, IF THEY DONT KBOW WHAT IS MOKSHAM.

 

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

So BhagavAn is neither Hindu nor Christian nor Muslim etc….as HE is the Owner if all CHIT (Sentient) and all Achit (nsentient). He belongs to the ONE and only ParamAthma Category and we all are HIS Servants.

And HE likes to be categorized to be in anyway as long as we show Pure love& devotion towards HIM.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Dhanyosmi Kongil PirAtti Swamy

Why we have mleccha desa concept?

If Perumal is equal to all creation, why can’t we think Perumal adorned different forms for different cultural people?

It’s like saying “Thennadu Udaya sivaney Potri ennatavarkkum iraiva porttri”

Why God is constrained by geography?

Dasanudasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

 

Dear Bhagavata,

 

 

The sanskrit word “mleccha म्लेच्छ“ means a “person who speaks indistinctly, a barbarian etc….”.

If such ill-behaved person exisits more in quantities in a region, then that place becomes a ‘mleccha desa’ and it doesn’t mean all persons in that region are bad. Now a days, every country is being refined by BhagavAn and the word ‘mleccha’ cannot be applied in present situation anymore, since there is lot is SYSTEMATIC RULES (Ozhukkam/Respect) being followed in all countries.

 

India is considered as a Sathvik country, so many people hear about us and visit India, but they get surprised when they see some one cheating and doing fraud, women using foul mouth talks etc…,. So the persons act is mleccha act. Hence, if such things start happening more frequently, then We are not too far from being called as Mleccha read a. So if we don’t follow Thani Manidha Ozukkam தனி மனித ஒழுக்கம் , Panbhu, Karunai etc…(base fundamental behaviour of humans), then there is no way we can develop Bhakthi.

 

There is a old song from movie ‘Kozhi Koovudhu”, and the lyrare apt for present situation and few decades before.

 

“அண்ணே அண்ணே சிப்பாய் அண்ணே,
நம்ம ஊரு நல்ல ஊரு இப்போ ரொம்ப கெட்டு போச்சுண்ண……
அத சொன்னா வெட்கக்கேடு, நான் சொல்லாட்டி மானக்கேடு “……..

 

Like actor Vadivelu comedy scene “Building Strong aana Basement Weak”.

Without a Good Behaviour Foundation, How can we Build a Strong Dharma. It is impossible, and the building will collapse.

So how to behave (Moral Education) should be first taught by Spiritual leaders more before teaching Bhakthi.

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Yes, BhagavAn is common inside all, but Swami has said that Bhagavan is Aasritha Pakshapaadhi (ஆச்ரித பக்ஷபாதி),

Means HE is COMMON to All but NOT EQUAL TO ALL, HE is PARTIAL to HIS devotee, and that devotee can be anyone in any religion. But HE resides inside a non-devotee or Athiest as Antharathma and Antharyami in a lousy manner waiting for an opportunity, When they will say “Oh GOD, Help Me, I’m Yours” in whichever way they can express.

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In India majority are Hindus, does it mean all Hindus are Good. Adiyen don’t think so Same way for other religion people.

 

So BhagavAn expects Base Good Behaviour let it be any Religion, then express Love/Devotion towards HIM in the way they know, then HE is Happy 😊..

 

 

That’s why adiyen mentioned in earlier thread that 

BhagavAn Sriman Sriman Narayanan is taking a different approach in this Kali Yuga and will consolidate as “Living Being (CHIT) Religion“, since we all are actually Jeevathmas, and we are not Bodily identified religion as Hindus or Christians or Muslims which Philosophical differences when actually BhagavAn’s Karunai is the FINAL Key for our LivelyHood and Moksham as Swami said above 

பேற்றுக்கு உபாயம் நின் பேருஅருளே 🙏🙏🙏🙏

 

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

on May 24, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Superb detailed answer KongilPiratti Swamy.

Now Chowkidar can be removed 🙂

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

In one way we see Srushti is the body (shareeram) of Perumal. So everything under the grand control of Perumal. So adiyen’s question is WRONG, Perumal cannot be classified.

Apologies for the mistake.

Dasanudasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Nandri Bhagavata for the understanding from Swami’s upanyasam quotes due to BhagavAtas Acharya Krupai.

Sarvam Perumal-Thayar-Alwar-EmperunanAr-Jeeyar-Acharyar-Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdiyil Samarpanam.

Adiyen like to keep the catchy name Chowkidhar 👮💂(காவல்காரன்), since Swami said in one of enpani 1322 as Swami Ramanujar is “Chowkidaar of Vedic Tradition”.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

on May 25, 2019

Adiyen thought the purpose was accomplished 😀 now we got the reason Chowkidar Ramanujar Ku Jai

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

Dear all Devotees of any religion,

 

Continuing Swami’s Thiru Ullam in the below link, where other religion core principles written in “Hebrew” language like Sanatana Dharma principles in Sanskrit, follow the Ethical behaviour with Faith in GOD. This is not meant for non believers Of GOD of any religion.

 

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/1414-swamy-parashara-bhattar-reborn/

 

All Chit’s/Souls (Jeevathmas, both bad & good Residing in any religion) and all Achits (Prakruthi/Materials) are ONE GOD’s BODY BhagavAn’s Thirumeni as in Upanishad:

 

Yasya Athma Shareeram, ……….(All Chit’s are my Body)

Yasya Prithvi Shareeram…….( All Achits are my Body)”

 

Let the Knowledgeable persons call the Supreme GOD as as ‘NarayanA’, and others not calling GOD as NarayanA is not a Road-Block to receive God’s Mercy. All GOD expects is “did you call me or surrendered onto ME in which ever way/language that you know, then I shall deliver what I feel is the Best for you, irrespective of who you are and what you are“.🙏🙏

 

 

All Sanatana Dharmis (Ethical Persons) of any Religion Ki Jai

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on June 20, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Even samudra Rajan is shareeram of paramAthma why that Sharanagathi did not work?

Sarva deva namaskAra: kesavam prathi gacchathi

Of course it reaches Sriman NArAyanA but route is long

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

Dear Vikram Thambi,

 

Samudra Rajan Sharagathy on Sri Rama BhagavAn’s lotus feet was based on his FEAR 😱 of getting killed when he did not show up based on SriRama’s call. His sharanagathy was not for Salvation/no-rebirth (Moksham).

 

Saamanya Dharmam:

We (Jeevathmas) getting birth (human body) based on Karmas, and we are born in some family, one in India or Australia or Uganda or USA or anywhere. In that that place, their parents could be a believer of GOD, or a non-believer of GOD, and belong to any religion.

Does it mean GOD expects everyone to comes to India and then go to Moksham. We know the ANSWER is NO, because GOD expects to understand HIM either through Spiritual books available in that place, or experience the Hardships through life. So if we don’t knowvor don’t have spiritual books reading, then while going through the Hardships in life, one by instinct says “Kadavulaey yenakku inimael Piravi kudukkadhaey” in their own language, say in Engligh “Oh Almighty GOD, please don’t give me another birth, let me be with you for long service”. So this can be done by anyone in any religion.

 

Swami has said the definition of Sharanagathy in “Sharanagathy Questions & Answers upanyasam:

Question:

Sharanagathy yendraal yenna? சரணாகதி என்றால் என்ன?

Answer:

Sharanagathy yenbhadhu oru arivu, nambhikkai, maanasamaana pattrudhal. Devarirai thavira naan viruppa pattadhai adaindhu kolla Vera Upayam Illai. Devareere adiyenukku upayamaaga iruppeer -yennum praarthanai dhaan sharanagathy.

சரணாகதி என்பது ஒரு அறிவு, நம்பிக்கை மானசமான பற்றுதல் . தேவரீரை தவிர நான் விருப்ப பட்டதை அடைந்து கொள்ள வேற உபாயம் இல்லை. தேவரீரே அடியேனுக்கு உபயமாக இருப்பீர் – என்னும் பிரார்த்தனை தான் சரணாகதி.

Sharanagathy is a knowledge, belief, attaching by MIND. Oh! ALMIGHTY GOD, other than YOU, I don’t have way/route to attain what I wished. So  ALMIGHTY GOD, YOU be my Route – praying is called Sharanagathy.

 

So, this kind of praying can be done to the Almighty by anyone in any religion. And Sharanagathy can be done for any reason, not just for Moksham (no rebirth). BhagavAn approves each Sharanagathy based on our pleading.

 

Now, the next question is, then why so many Sampradhayam inside Hinduism. Its because of ones own taste and flavour BhagavAn is catering their needs. That’s it.

Then why we do sharanagathy on Acharya lotus feet is because for Bhagavat Preethyartham/Kainkaryam to spend remaining time peacefully, though BhagavAn has granted Moksham initially when one has prayed this by Mind. Also we don’t have Vishwasam (belief) about about Sharanagathy by Mind, so Acharyas bless us and guide us and keep us ibractcys BhagavAn’s lotus feet by bringing up MahaVishwasam on BhagavAn’s lotus feet.

 

Also Swami gas said that BhagavAn has a beautiful KALYANA GUNAM “NiraANKUSA SWATHANTRIYAM / நிராங்குச ஸ்வாதந்த்ரியம் (Non-questionable Independence) which BhagavAn utilizes to give Salvation/Moksham or anything to anyone irrespective of their religion, varna or state of mind. So we ignorant Bhaddhatmas cannot make Judegemt or Conclusion that it will take long time for someone and short time for someone else and who should get Moksham and question how BhagavAn gave Moksham to Shishupalan or Dhadhipandan or Naalooran or Gantakaranans brother etc…That’s why BhagavAn doesn’t even say everything to us about whom and all HE gives Moksham, since we have habit of questioning BhagavAn’s actions. It’s up to BhagavAn on how to handle/deal with his properties (we Jeevathmas) because all Jeevathmas are HIS property and NOT our property.

 

After we reach Moksham, when we meet the Jeevathma who was residing in Shishupalan body, we introduce our method as “Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan” and Shishupalan will say “Adiyen SriKrishna Dasan”, since all our Sookshma Shareeram that has Rajas/Tamas gunas and bad Vaasanas are perished in VIRAJAI nadhi snaanam, and we (Jeevathmas from any religion) are pure after that for long-term service to the Almighty GOD in SriVaikuntam.

 

So let’s remember BhagavAn’s this particular Kalyana gunam 👌 NiraANKUSA SWATHANTRIYAM / நிராங்குச ஸ்வாதந்த்ரியம்(Non-questionable Independence) which BhagavAn utilizes to give Salvation/Moksham or anything to anyone irrespective of their religion, varna or state of mind.

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on June 21, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha

“Does it mean GOD expects everyone to comes to India and then go to Moksham” – Then why ocean crossing and foreign going in prohibited in Shastram Anna?

Dasanudasan

on June 21, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha

Kongil PirAtti Anna, kelvi thappa puriniundu irukkel

Adiyen talking about SriRama’s Sharanagathi to Samudra Rajan

Not vice versa Samudra Rajan’s Sharanagathi to SroRamar

“Samudra Rajan Sharagathy on Sri Rama BhagavAn’s lotus feet was based on his FEAR 😱 of getting killed when he did not show up based on SriRama’s call. His sharanagathy was not for Salvation/no-rebirth (Moksham).”

– Kalil vizhundha kaapathanum nu dharmam. Adhai dhan SriRamar Vali kku fault nu soldrar.

Same way Samudra Rajan should have considered SriRama’s request. The question adiyen made was “Samudrarajan is also shareeram. He is Mahalakshmi thAyAr’s father. He is also Devan. Sarva deva namaskAra: ideally that request should have reached Sriman NArAyanA indirectly. Technically NArAyanA is being worshipped via Samudra Rajan by SriRaman as per yasta athma shareeram yasya Prithvi shareeram definition”

It did not work. It won’t work.
Sharanagathan=Us
Sharanyan=Sriman NArAyanA

(Even Velukkudi Swamy explains this Sharanyan and Sharanagathan difference)

Mathava kaalla vizhundha Sharanagathi balikkAdhu

Perumal or BhAgavatha kaalil vizhanum

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

“Now, the next question is, then why so many Sampradhayam inside Hinduism. Its because of ones own taste and flavour BhagavAn is catering their needs. That’s it.” –

Adhu Seri Swamy, Mariamma kitta Sharanagathi pannina balikkuma sollungo? Moksham tharuvALa?

Naa yen Sriman NArAyanA va sevikkanum?

Adhu Namma Swamy nam Sampradhayam melongi nikkardhukkaga sonnadhu. Appo dhan Hinduism azhiyama irukkum

ThAthparyam enna siddhantham enna adhan inga kelvi

Dasanudasan

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Sharanyan vs Sharanagathan difference explained.below by devareer

Can I attain moksham earlier? Thread

Can I attain moksha earlier?

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