Thanks Swamy for this beautiful explanation! Thayar atma is always permanent role with perumal not like brahma role where after a period some other atma will get that position

I am in line with the reply of SriVaishnava dasan.  However, as per our puranaas Goddess Lakshmi

1. Emanated from Paarkadal at the time of churning of ocean by Devas and Asuras.  Lakshmi accepted Lord Mahavishnu as Her consort.
2. She was born as the daughter of Brughu and Kyati.  As such, she is also called “Bhargavi” (who is in the lineage of Brughu).  Because of this, she happens to be the sister of Sukracharya, whom, in Vibhoothi Yoga, Lord Krishna declares that He is Kavi Ushana (that is, Sukracharya).  As such, Mahavishnu is the Machchinar of Sukracharya.
3. Mahalakshmi left Lord Mahavishnu on the pretext that Brugu, who had humiliated Lord Vishnu by kicking on His chest, which is the dwelling place of Mahalakshmi, was honoured by Mahavishnu. So, she was born as Padmavathi, daughter of Akasa Rajan.  (In Mumukshupadi, Acharyan Pillailokachariar quotes “Avan maarbai vittup piriyil ivvaksharam vittu pirivadhu”, which has become true with this incident.  How our Sri Vaishnava Speakers will justify this, I don’t know).

All of us have information only about Leela Vibhudhi, which are contained in various purnaas and itihaasaas.  There, no remark has been mentioned that all these have happened in Leela Vibhoothi world.

As far as I know, whenever Jaya-Vijaya incidents are explained in any authentic book, it is nowhere mentioned that it has happened in “Kaariya Vaikuntam”, but when unjustifiable actions by Sanata Kumaras and Lord Mahavishnu are questioned, such questions are managed, and not responded properly.  Whenever any such things are cited, immediate answer from anybody is: it has happened in “Leela Vibhoothi”, “Kaariya Vaikuntam” etc. et.

Any inconvenient question / information is justified this way only, that is, Leelaa Vibhoothi, Kaariya Vaikuntam, by Informed Srivaishnava Elders.

The term ‘liberation’ varies from philosophy to philosophy, religion to religion.  It is our Srivaishnanava Philosophy that tells “Libertion means to go to Vaikuntam (again no mention about Kaariya Vaikuntam; only one vaikuntam is mentioned as far as I know; it is only our interpretation) to do kaingaryam to the Lord”.  But, this term may not be applicable to Sanat Kumaras, who are basically Advaitis, though they appreciate the bhakti cult also.

Even, I have basic doubt about the Aatma Swaroopam, which is defined as “Slavery to the Lord” by Sri Vaishnava philosophy.  But, by introspection, I could conclude that Aatma Swaroopam is: Nithyam, Anandamayam, Gnanamayam and above all Independence.  Unless you are independent, you cannot be really happy.  I have come to this conclusion even after studying Thirumanthira Prakaranam of Shri Pillai Lokachariar. 

I always appreciate my relation with Paramatma as father-son; in between noody, including my mother.  Because, I consider my Father so magnanimous that I need not fear to approach Him, even no need to approach Him through my mother. I have the liberty to question Him too.  A father will always be happy, if his son becomes independence once he gets the required level of maturity, though the son my be dependent on him for a few things.

Plese do not think that I am arguing. It is not my intention. But, my nature does not accept the Aatmswaroopam as Slavery to the Lord, but as an affectionate son without compromising any kind of liberty towards Him,

Sometimes, I feel Advaita is the right concept.  So long as there is duality (or special oneness – Visishtadvaita), there will be conflicts, differences of opinion etc. etc.  But, when we realize everything is One and it is only our ignorance is hiding that reality, the moment we remove that ignornance, we realize Aham Brahmasmi; Tat Tvam Asi; but the former will be more appropriate.

oneness in interests and wishes( both wanting to serve each other) exists..oneness of individuality is what being negated in visishtaadvaita

As far as I understand, as per Visishtadwaitam, all muktaatmaas realize that they are part (binna angam) of the Paramtma.  These parts act as per the wishes of the Paramatma and not on their own.  So, liberted aatmas are like robots in Vaikunta, which are completely operated by the Swamy of Vaikunta. 

As per our spiritual speakers’ version, in Kaariya Vaikunta (which is in Leela Vibhoothi), they are not like robots, they have their own ego and act on their own . That’s why Jaya-Vijaya episode happened.

But, for me, these concepts (everybody has bookish knowledge, which has been passed on from generations to generations without questioning; nobody has personal experience or realiztion; only thing, if we are linguistically strong and intellectually powerful, we can interpret anything based on our own understanding or on the basis of understanding passed on to us and accepted by us without questioning) look absurd. 

You see, this Kaariya Vaikuntam concept was told to us only when the indigestible episode of Jaya-Vijaya was questioned by a few of us.  Why? To cement the unjustified actions of Sanat Kumaras and the endorsement of the same by our Lord Mahavishnu. Before that, nobody talked about different vaikuntams.  Furthermore, ‘N’ number of Vaikuntams may also come.

So, I stand by my folloing view as on date:

“So long as there is duality (or special oneness – Visishtadvaita), there will be conflicts, differences of opinion etc. etc.  But, when we realize everything is One and it is only our ignorance is hiding that reality; the moment we remove that ignornance, we realize Aham Brahmasmi; Tat Tvam Asi; but the former will be more appropriate.”