Most of the bedhas, school of thoughts are based on shruti (vedas / Upanishads). Hence, I am confining to shruti only.

Everyone is not having an acharya  / guru. Hence, all can not depend on them for spiritual knowledge. If these details are available, disciple need not disturb his acharya to that extent. Acharyas can guide their disciple further in spiritual practice towards the goal and advice any other details beyond these texts such as experience etc.,

My view point is why should the detail be kept secret. Let ALL the details, whatever be it, be available on open platform and let the people whoever interested in whatever form of worship or final goal or material interest or whatever whatever whatever ……… This will pave way one with better understanding. Let a person study, judge and choose the one as per his requirement. This is what I have indicated above. Since all the details are from shruti, there is no question of falling outside the vedas.

Though there are unity amongst differences, still bedhas remain and clarity eludes, which is what I intended and experienced.

The crux of my intention is, if all the details are made available as I indicated with clarity and without any ambiguity, the individual can take a choice suiting him.

To make a single complete scripture, the above can be expanded by including Smiritis.

adiyen know that it is not possible and only debate will take place.

Everyone is not having an acharya  / guru. From SriVaishnava dasan

This is the first realisation EVERY soul has to come to. Cannot bypass this. EVERYONE has to realise “I need a Guru without whom I can not learn anything”. Even our everyday things (how to eat, how to walk, how to speak etc) we learn from those who are already doing it.  Then what to say of spiritual knowledge?! ‘Spontaneously knowledge’ of spiritual topics may be  found in a very rare individual; but that is exceptional; they are likely carrying over from what they learnt from a guru in their previous life.

If Guru was not needed, Krishna would not have emphasised that as THE way to know about Him. Also, one of the important qualities of a spiritual aspirant is ‘acharya upasanam (stated in Bhagavad Gita 13.8) 

Hence, all can not depend on them for spiritual knowledge. From John Smith

Hence can not get spiritual knowledge at all.

disciple need not disturb his acharya From John Smith

It is not at all a disturbance to ask spiritual questions in a submissive manner. One can keep on repeating the same question until one understands. The Guru will be more than happy to answer. You will find at the very end of 18th chapter of Bhagavad Gita Krishan tells Arjuna, “think over what I have told you. If you want Me to explain all over again I can do so”. That is Gita-charyan Himself. And all Acharyas are like that. When we ask spiritual questions humbly they are more than happy.

Very simple example; a child need not hesitate to ask mother for food; even in most testing times the mother is most happy to prepare food and feed that child. Her only desire is that the child should eat nicely and remain healthy, not suffer from hunger ever. Likewise the acharya is more than happy to feed his child with knowledge (that which can be digested and can be assimilated by the child), unmindful of his own conditions. He simply wants the child to experience spiritual happiness and not experience the pains of this material world ever. 

Sometimes the acharya may not provide some answers; that is not because it is disturbance for the acharya; but because the answer will be disturbance for the child at this stage. It is like a 2 year old asking for maggie or pizza. No sensible mother will feed such things that will make the child sick.

If these details are available,…My view point is why should the detail be kept secret. Let ALL the details, whatever be it, be available on open platform and let the people whoever interested in whatever form of worship or final goal or material interest or whatever whatever whatever ……… This will pave way one with better understanding. Let a person study, judge and choose the one as per his requirement. From John Smith

Swamy, what are you suggesting? Should we fill LKG classroom with Shakepeare literature and complex mathematics text books and theory of relativity and Ramanujam theorems etc, and provide the kids with a open platform and let each kid choose whatever they are interested in? Will this really pave way for better understanding?

If this were the case, wouldn’t the Supreme God implemented such a system? and prescribed such a system in the scriptures? 

There are two options: 1. God’s system of knowledge transfer is imperfect. 2. Our understanding of God’s perfect system is imperfect.

If the first were to be true, then He is not worth of being God. Let us ignore Him completely. If the second is true, then let us reflect deeper and see how ” I’m ” makes us perceive the perfect to be imperfect.

The crux of my intention is, if all the details are made available as I indicated with clarity and without any ambiguity, the individual can take a choice suiting him. From John Smith

All through the history of time the complete, clear, knowledge without ambiguity has been made available to those who seek with the required preparation (of spiritual desire and sincerity, coupled with detachment from material aspects of existence). But for those who are not at the level of spiritual preparation of sincerity and detachment, the complete clear knowledge appears hazy.

To give an example, the trees on a mountain are always clearly visible and accessible to a person who has travelled close to the mountain. But for someone who is very far, it look very hazy and unclear. The trees can not be distinguished from one another. But God (and scriptures) are kind enough to guide that person to progress in the spiritual path of cultivating deeper sincerity and detachment from matter, so that they too can come closer to the mountain (of spiritual realisation) see the trees clearly.

To think “if all knowledge is available people are intelligent enough to make the right decision” is a fallacy. Even in our day-to-day life people cannot make right decisions despite having ‘knowledge’. How many smokers and drinkers and gamblers do so despite knowing the harmful effect? The whole world knows very clearly that the top most reason for climate change crisis is meat eating. How many will change themselves? Maggie was banned sometime ago; they stormed back in the market in less than 6 months! How?

Because, knowledge alone is not at all sufficient. To make progress in spiritual life, we need to first burn our sins. Only when the sins are burnt away considerably one will take interest in spiritualism. As more and more sins are burnt, one will grow deeper in sincerity and detachment. This will eventually bring one to the point of surrender. 

Please hear, study and reflect upon Bhagavad Gita verses 11.53 and 54.

கண்ணதாசன் beautifully summarised this in one sentence “அட படிப்பில்லாத ஆள் கூட பாததிலே போய் விழுந்தால் வேதத்துகே பொருள் விளங்குது ராமா ஹரி!”

Just like a child has full confidence in the food provided by the mother, I have full confidence in the knowledge passed on by my acharya. As much knowledge that is needed for my progress he will keep revealing directly or indirectly. My endeavour to gain more knowledge is in the form of eagerly and earnestly trying to apply/practise the knowledge already given to me. Through this more knowledge will be automatically revealed (directly or indirectly).

adiyen dasan.

Sorry…. your name is replace with a random name “John Smith” by the system. adiyen.

I thought, I need to respond.

My statement is a general one to get only one school of thought / sampradayam.

The point I have emphasized above is mainly to get “difference free spiritual knowledge on Supreme” (only theoretical) for everyone  on esp., on Unique name of Brahmam etc., to avoid getting into bedhas and nothing more.

adiyen did not mention anything against the spiritual development of a disciple through the spiritual practice and guru krupa & did not mix up theory with practice.

Well. Every guru follow one of the different school of thoughts / sampradayams. Hence, it is natural that he will impart the knowledge pertaining to what he is following, to his disciple. Therefore, uniqueness (name) of Supreme taught will not be there. Hence, the bedha on the Supreme will continue. If an unique detail is available, this bedha will not take place. 

I have noticed on several occasions in this forum, members prefer and ask to refer / notify from visishtadvaita texts only. It indicates the level of belief on other systems  due to bedha. Same will be the case on other side. If an unique text as indicated is available, such a situation will not arise.

Regarding filling LKG room with higher knowledge : It is the question of making the detail available. I did not mention to put up the details in the regular education curriculum. Like the present day, if such details are made available, those interested can study themselves or in vedantic schools. It is mentioned on a positive note and not gone very deeper, since I feel making availability will be more beneficial. Even now, as mentioned by you, burning of sins is applicable since not everyone is going to study. But atleast an unique name of Supreme and the outline detail will be known through others.

Only those who has extreme interest will try to study in toto. My empahsize is mainly on those which cause bedham, to be made unique and explicit. The details pertaining to these will not be large, even if is large it is worth.

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Sometime back, while browsing, I noticed a small boy with prefix Upaya Vedanti. Do not have reference now.

Yes. As you know, I like kannadasan’s songs and this line is interesting. But the difference is between knowing and availability. Though not studied, one atleast need to know, without any doubt who is Brahmam, to fell in His feet.

Shruti is from Him and compilation is by Veda Vyasar.

Expressing and discussing about some impossibility.

adiyen

Srimate Raamnujaye Namaha,

Swamy, regarding the bheda part:

Swamy can we come to a conclusion if an electron is a wave or particle. It is simultaneously both or has particle like nature at certain instances and wave like nature in certain instances. However irrespective of the scientist’s belief as electron or wave, they are able to harness electricity and use it.

Similarly, Brahmam has multi faceted perspectives and qualities and names. 

Even the definition of Brahmam is many- The Supreme Lord,  Brahmam’s body consisting of cit and acit all are part of Brahmam.

What I feel is as long as one follows one school of thought ( Traditional, authentic ones), sincerely,  one is not at a loss. These bhedas create confusion only in a situation, when one is born in a family with a certain tradition , but meets a Guru of different school of thought. 

Bhedas exist externally when seen separately, but at holistic level , we can sort out the bhedas. But this has to come through practice and realization. 

Also in Spiritual world there are many spiritual logic that exists like ( Each person glorifies other as great and takes a humble position, God empowers his devotee to be more powerful than Himself..) So if two persons in Spiritual world speak or talk about each other, they will glorify each other unlike in material world. So if we hear their conversation, then we will think that there is bheda. So applying material logic to spiritual subjects perhaps leads to apparent bheda.

Reg the spiritual practice to realize vedas:( as swami indicated)

 I am reminded about a incident I have heard. It seems “once a great scholar came to meet Srila Bhakthi Siddhanta Sarawathi (Acharya  of Srila Prabhupada) for some scholarly clarifications. The acharya requested the scholar to assist the cook in the kitchen in cleaning the pots and scholar did so and after cleaning , without discussing , thanked the Acharya that his doubts were clarified and left.”

I was also strongly influenced by academic exploration and was caught in these bhedas , due to material logic as influenced by modern educational system, but by Guru and Krishna’s mercy, I have come out slowly from that trap, but sometimes do fall back sometimes due to my ignorance.

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

Sri Vaishnava-dasan Swamy,

my apologies, please.

adiyen dasan.

No need to apologise.

enpanifan swamy,

adiyen felt, since bedhas exist, steps can be taken to remove that. If clear information is available, there is no need for exploration. Spiritual practice can continue.

I think discussion can be left at this.  

I would like to indicate that we had my sashtiapta poorthi function and adiyen wanted to purchase a small book detailing on visishtadvaita and distribute. I could not find any suitable small book with crisp and short information to my expectation in Tamil. My intention is, if the details are crisp, the receiver will be interested to read. Hence, I compiled and prepared a small booklet (10 pages of A4 size) detailing visishtadvaita (atma, Brahmam, Narayanan, andams, pralayam, saranagati, motcham etc.,), titled “பிறவாமையே பிறவியின் நோக்கம்” and distributed. Of course, it consumed time.

adiyen

Dhanyosmi Swami, Nice to hear that.

Adiyen