Sri Gopala Vimsadi

Updated on March 26, 2021 in Holy Books
13 on February 28, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah, Sri Sriranga Narayana Jeeyar Swamigale Saranam, Sri Velukkudi Swamigal Thiruvadigale Saranam!

Namaskaram Swami! adiyen heard that there are 2 Sri Gopala Vimsadis available. One by Swami Vedanta Desika and one by Sri Manavala Mamunigal for Sri Mannargudi Rajagopala Swami. Please clarify Swami. 

adiyen,

Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan. 

 
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6 on March 2, 2021

Srimate Raamanujaye namaha,

Swami Hari Vamsam audio 65 starts with sloka from Gopala Vimsadi (By Vedanta Desikar)

As i posted earlier mahabharatam and Hari vamsam audios seems to be live audios..:)-

Even last week during Varaha Jayanthi, after few days in Hari vamsam heard Varaha avataram charitram..

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

on March 3, 2021

Swamy,

Hari vamsam audio is not live one. It can be observed that after 5-6 days, the discourse ends for that day (day of upanyasam) and continues the next day. Hence, it is a recorded one.

adiyen

srivaishnava dasan

on March 3, 2021

Yes swamy, it is recorded one. But all the questions that are raised here and the festivals we observe match and sync well with the daily audios, so i call it “live”.

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

on March 3, 2021

adiyen

Swami, in hari vamsam 65, yes our swami did refer to Sri Gopala Vimsadi is written by Sri Vedanta Desiakar. But the question is that is there also a version written by Sri Manavaala maamunigal?

on March 9, 2021

Swamy,

https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=198118754601442

https://srivaishnavam.tripod.com/acharya/smm/

http://acharya.org/ac/smm/index.html

Whether these ref answer your question.

adiyen

Dhanyosmi Swami! While adiyen already went thru all these references but not convinced with the authenticity of the information, so had raised this question in this forum, hoping to get a response from our Swami. 

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0 on March 14, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Badri Swami,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Ammangaar Abhimaanam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham, here are some

 

Details:

There are two Gopala Vimsati’s one by Swami Vedanta Desikan and another by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal.

In general for any stotras, depending upon the number of slokas/verses, the name is given accordingly.

Vimasthi means 20 slokas/verses,

Sapthathi means 70 slokas/verses, etc..

Though Swami Vedanta Desikan and Swami Manavaala Maamunigal lived at different times, they both followed Swami “EmperumanaAr Dharishanam”.

Eventually they both have sung on BhagavAn Sri Rajagopalan and it happened to be of 20 slokas. Hence naturally it is called as “Gopala Vimsathi”. Both Gopala Vimsathi’s are Authentic since;

  • both stotras Content are about BhagavAn Sri Rajagopalan for future generations BhagavAt Anubhavam,
  • both Acharyas are Authentic Acharyas of Swami RamanujAr Lineage.

 

Oneway by considering the “Content” only and excluding the Acharya names who composed it, then also it is AUTHENTIC since both the Gopala Vimsathi verses have pious content.

Secondly, when many SriVaishnavas are following both the Gopala Vimsathi’s for many years by attaching each Gopala Vimsathi to each of the Acharya names Swami Vedanta Desikan and Swami Manavaala Maamunigal, then also these two versions are to be considered AUTHENTIC.

Thirdly, the 1st Gopala Vimsati was composed by Swami Vedanta Desikan and later one composed by Manavaala Maamunigal has a THANIYAN which has two sections,

  • One section of Thaniyan details about the gist of the Gopala Vimsati and
  • second section of Thaniyan details about the Author Manavaala Maamunigal’s Mahimai. The “Thaniyan” was composed by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal poorvashrama Thirupperanaar “JeeyAr Naayanaar” who lived in same period, so it is evident that the later Gopala Vimsati was composed by Manavaala Maamunigal.

 

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Questions:

Either way, why do we need to explain all these above details of authenticity of Two versions of Gopala Vimsati’s. If one is not authentic, are we planning to skip one and follow the other. So what’s the goal here in knowing about which one is authentic?. Does it really matter when the “Content” of both Vimsathi’s are about BhagavAn SriRajagopalan, even though both are Authentic as composed by each of those two “Acharyas”. A SriVaishnavaite basically should  blindly follow with no doubht, if other SriVaishnavas are following both Gopala Vimsathi’s, since these are for our BhagavAt Anubhavam. So the raise of authenticity thoughts in these situations should never be generated in mind.

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Adiyen believe, devareer should explain the same above “Details” to whomever attempted to confuse devareer and ask the same above “Questions” to them and inform them to focus 😊 on the “Content of both Gopala Vimsathi’s and both Acharyas Mahimai” instead of spending time on a redundant thought about drilling the authenticity. Devareer should help them by enlightening.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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Dhanyosmi Swami for taking the time to write a detailed reply! Adiyen will totally agree that any praises about Perumal is always great and doesn’t have to be analyzed for any authenticity. In this case, adiyen haven’t heard about Gopala Vimsadi version of Sri Manavala Mamunigal before. Adiyen has heard our Swami’s upanyasam of Vedanta Desikar’s version only. Also didn’t find the reference in http://acharyas.koyil.org/index.php/mamunigal/ or the following website, http://acharya.org/ac/mm/index.html, it says Gopala Vimsathi (authorship is debated). That’s why adiyen had this doubt. 

Please forgive adiyen for any wrong saying. 

adiyen. 

on March 21, 2021

adiyen understood about your concern and attempted to analyse.

  1. https://www.sadagopan.org/pdfuploads/Gopala%20Vimsati.pdf  

  2. http://acharya.org/sloka/GopalaVimsathi.pdf

adiyen checked the slokas from (1) and (2) and observed both to be different. Hence, it is clear that there are two Gopala Vimsathi. The first one is by Swamy Desikan. The second was mentioned by me (http://acharya.org/ac/smm/index.html ) in the earlier post and you too mentioned above, which is tagged as authorship is debated. If the second one is not by swamy Desikan and hence if authorship is debated then it is written by other than Swamy Desikan. Then the question arises, If it is not by Swamy Manavala Mamunigal, then, who is the author of the second one. 

adiyen located a reference appears to have written as “Chitira Urai” on Gopala Vimsathi by Swamy Manavala Mamunigal through this link

3. https://www.facebook.com/watch/?v=198118754601442 

4.https://www.facebook.com/photo.php?fbid=513556712932520&set=p.513556712932520&type=3&theater 

Since, nobody else’s name is appearing as author, it (again probably) could be by Swamy Manavala Mamunigal based on the above references 3 & 4.  Probably, if you like, for further clarification for you to get detail (only suggestion to attempt, not saying will clarify to your satisfaction and need not be authentic – mentioning with a caution), can also be approached from the contact information given at 4. Still, authenticity can be questioned. 

adiyen

Dhanyosmi Swami! But as devareer understood, wanted to get an authentic answer else adiyen totally respect and cherish these beautiful works. 

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1 on March 26, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Badri Swami,

 

Adiyen is not sure if something was missed by devareer while reading the above information, so Copy pasting it again as below:

 

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Thirdly, the 1st Gopala Vimsati was composed by Swami Vedanta Desikan and later one composed by Manavaala Maamunigal has a THANIYAN which has two sections,

  • One section of Thaniyan details about the gist of the Gopala Vimsati and
  • second section of Thaniyan details about the Author Manavaala Maamunigal’s Mahimai. The “Thaniyan” was composed by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal’s poorvashrama ThirupperanaarJeeyAr Naayanaar” who lived in same period, so it is evident that the later Gopala Vimsati was composed by Manavaala Maamunigal.

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So Adiyen believe again, one should focus on the “Content of both Gopala Vimsathi’s and both Acharyas Mahimai” instead of spending time on a redundant thought about drilling the authenticity.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

on March 26, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Also,

* Swami Vedanta Desikan’s Gopala Vimsathi verses are about Vrindhavana Gopala Krishnan,
* Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Gopaala Vimshati verses are about Mannargudi Rajagopalan.

Vimasthi means sloka of 20verses and both are about Gopalan, so it is naturally called as “Gopala Vimsathi”.

 

Also the Gopala Vimsathi by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal was recited and chanted during Swami Manavaala Maamunigal 650 ThiruNakshathiram celebrations by all devotees.

Here is a playlist of the upanyasams on Manavaala Maamunigal Gopaala Vimshati during 650th celebrations. Please listen from Thaniyan 1 video and each sloka video meaning.

https://youtube.com/playlist?list=PL4yl6n2vr3oeh0Grt9zj9wzH6pzYudVTg

 

After this, many commented post to the orator for clarification out of ignorance and the orator has said there are two Gopala Vimsathi’s as in the Facebook video link.

https://m.facebook.com/Mamunigal/videos/a-clarification-on-sri-gopala-vimsathi-whether-it-is-composed-by-swami-desikan-o/198118754601442/

 

So both are Authentic Gopala Vimsathi’s as delivered by each Acharya Swami Vedanta Desikan and Swami Manavaala Maamunigal about Gopala in two different Divya desams.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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