Rik veda – Purusha, Narayanan

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34 on February 23, 2021

Namaskaram.

I went through the text of meaning of Rik veda, concentrating on the details mentioned on Creation, Brahmam etc., It is highly impossible to read and understand Rik veda in short time. Vedas are called karma kanda and vedanta is called Braham kanda. Nevertheless, Rik veda indicate worship of various god / devatha. Hence, I think Rik veda can be considered to be the authority on Creation, Brahmam.

My observation might have been repeatedly posed by many in the past.

My understanding is as follows ::

In many places of Rik veda, Indra, Agni, Varuna, Soman etc., are revered and worshipped predominantly. Worshipping of Vishnu is mentioned at few places. Vishnu’s compassion, the protector of those in distress were indicated. Is there any reason for Indra, Agni etc., were mentioned in so many places instead of providing details on Creator?. Whether more hymns on Creator are not available?.

In Purusha suktam (Rik Veda 10.90), creation is mentioned in a detailed manner. I found some similarity with the creation by Lord Narayanan given in Vaishnava texts. Rik Veda being anadi,  why the name ‘Purusha’ is not followed and used for worshipping, as in Rik veda?. Why later on, Purusha’s name was replaced with Lord Narayanan?.

Indra, Agni, Soman, Vishnu are mentioned to be Brahman, in some places indicated to be creator. I do not know whether it means creation after the creation by Purusha.

I understand that there can be more than one interpretation for a hymn. In such a case, how to interpret correctly.

Vedic period is mentioned while discussing about Vedas. In such a case, whether the order of hymn given is in chorological order w.r.to time?. Some believe that Purusha suktam is later addition.

I request to excuse if there is any error in my understanding and correct the same. I would like to get clarity on the above.

adiyen

 
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2 on February 24, 2021

Namaskaram swami

Adiyen’s recommendation is to go through with Velukkudi Ranganathan Swami’s course on Vedanta. Here is the link https://velukkudi.tv/. You need to register for free. It will clear your doubts swami.

on February 24, 2021

Namaskaram swamy,

Thanks for your suggestion.

adiyen

on February 24, 2021

Swamy,

My query is with Rik Veda.

adiyen

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Jayaram swamy, namaskaram,

could you kindly share the source of the translation you read;  which ஓர்-ஆண்-வழி acharya’s explanation has been translated by this author in this version. Once we know the source acharya, it will be easier to understand the content.

adiyen dasan. 

on February 24, 2021

கம்பன்தாசன் swamy,

I have referred two translations, one in Tamil by Jambunathan and one in English by Griffith. These two are the results from Google search. Initially I referred Tamil and went for English to cross check. I also checked with few of the sites / blogs / wiki. My search is in general platform to have unbiased opinion. Even this took more than a week of continuous work.

adiyen

on February 24, 2021

I started with open Google search with Rik Veda Tamil pdf and also English pdf. The two referenced above repeatedly came as the results. Hence, I went ahead. I cross referenced with hymn numbers. Whatever it gave as the results, I have taken. But there were only a few results. I restricted to Rik Veda only and not gone into other texts. I also checked up with other sites / blogs only for Rik Veda. It was an open search.

adiyen

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0 on February 24, 2021

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Swamy , some of the answers to your questions are available in the 2st video/lesson of Vedanta course that Ramanuja- parakaladasan swamy had referred you to. This was a a special lecture given by Velukkudi swami (as usual lectures are given by Ranganathan swamy)

I would share some of the points i remember from that in the context of your question.

“In many places of Rik veda, Indra, Agni, Varuna, Soman etc., are revered and worshipped predominantly. Worshipping of Vishnu is mentioned at few places. Vishnu’s compassion, the protector of those in distress were indicated. Is there any reason for Indra, Agni etc., were mentioned in so many places instead of providing details on Creator?. Whether more hymns on Creator are not available?.”

There are 2 parts to vedas – karma kanda and jnana/brahma kaanda. In the first part karma kanda, it is meant for beginners to start placing faith in vedas – they are in need of material needs like cow, son , health etc.. and by performing yajnas as per Karma kanda they attain the benefit and eventually get faith in vedas. Later on when one realizes that all that one gets is temporary and wants to reach to a higher realm of peace and eternity , for them the second part of vedas – brahma kaandam answers their questions.

So in Karma kanda part of vedas there will be lot of reference to Indra, agni, Varunan, Soman etc.. Only in Brahma Kanadam will we see reference to Brahman, His name, forms and qualities etc.

Regarding the other questions i would suggest you state them explicitly , because i am not very clear on what the other questions are..like for example replacing “Purusha”, where is this replaced, in which verse and by whom etc, such details will make the question more clear.

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

 

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9 on February 24, 2021

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Swamy , some of the answers to your questions are available in the 1st video/lesson of Vedanta course that Ramanuja- parakaladasan swamy had referred you to. This was a a special lecture given by Velukkudi swami (as usual lectures are given by Ranganathan swamy)

I would share some of the points i remember from that in the context of your question.

“In many places of Rik veda, Indra, Agni, Varuna, Soman etc., are revered and worshipped predominantly. Worshipping of Vishnu is mentioned at few places. Vishnu’s compassion, the protector of those in distress were indicated. Is there any reason for Indra, Agni etc., were mentioned in so many places instead of providing details on Creator?. Whether more hymns on Creator are not available?.”

There are 2 parts to vedas – karma kanda and jnana/brahma kaanda. In the first part karma kanda, it is meant for beginners to start placing faith in vedas – they are in need of material needs like cow, son , health etc.. and by performing yajnas as per Karma kanda they attain the benefit and eventually get faith in vedas. Later on when one realizes that all that one gets is temporary and wants to reach to a higher realm of peace and eternity , for them the second part of vedas – brahma kaandam answers their questions.

So in Karma kanda part of vedas there will be lot of reference to Indra, agni, Varunan, Soman etc.. Only in Brahma Kanadam will we see reference to Brahman, His name, forms and qualities etc.

Regarding the other questions i would suggest you state them explicitly , because i am not very clear on what the other questions are..like for example replacing “Purusha”, where is this replaced, in which verse and by whom etc, such details will make the question more clear.

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

 

on February 24, 2021

Swamy,

Thanks for your response. I will go through the video mentioned by you. However, kindly check up my initial post. Rik Veda indeed mentions about worship and creation (10.90). Purusha mentioned is a classical example. That is the reason, why I would like to stick to Rik Veda which is anadi.

I think my query on Purusha is clear. What I meant was Purusha is not worshipped nowadays and Lord Narayanan is worshipped, though Purusha is stated to be the creator. If you haven’t read 10.90, kindly go through it. The details of creation mentioned in Rik Veda 10.90 has similarity to the creation in Vaishnavite texts. In such a case, Purusha is to be worshipped.

adiyen

Jayaram swamy,

Thank you for sharing that the authors are one Jambunathan and one Griffith. But we do not know if their translation was based on any authentic teacher in ஓர்-ஆண்-வழி. Such translations could be like “சுக்குமி ளகுதி ப்பிலி”. it is better not to confuse ourselves with such sources. It is better to remain ignorant than gather ill-informed knowledge.

Vedas are kalpa-vrsham; they give whatever one wants. If an interpreter or learner wants to be cheated, vedas will unfold accordingly in their heart….. and they will remain cheated for a few more births atleast.

Only if we approach the vedas as per the prescribed process and method, the complete truth will be accessible to the learner.

The essence of all knowledge conveyed through the Vedas is how to engage in pure devotion towards God. If we practise the simple devotional steps given to us systematically, pure devotion will gradually blossom in us. I have full confidence in this because I have heard this from my acharyar

Since you are familar with கவிஞர் கண்ணதாசன்’s songs, please let me quote a line from his song (“கோகுலத்தில் பசுகள் எல்லாம்…”) which conveys this message : “அட! படிப்பில்லாத ஆட்கள் கூட பாதத்திலே போய் விழுந்தால், வேததுக்கே பொருள் விழங்குது, ராமா ஹரி…. ராமா ஹரி ஹரே கிரிஷ்ணா-ஹரி. 

அடியேன் தாசன்

மன்னிக்கவும்! “விளங்குது” என்று இருக்க வேண்டும்; “விழங்குது” என்று அல்ல.

on February 24, 2021

கம்பன்தாசன் swamy,

I understand your concern.

Translating vedas is not an easy task, whoever may be the author. It requires a real interest. However, to dispel that uncertainty only I have cross checked with a few sites for each hymn. There should be a way out if one want to get the details. I believe in trying to know the things, Yes, but a correct detail and I have attempted in that line.

Thank you for quoting the song. But we should have our efforts also. If we attempt only He will give the results.

Let me see how this thread progresses.

adiyen

100% correct. We must put in our effort to understand God and spiritual life. That is the purpose of human form of life; otherwise we are as good as an animal or inanimate object.

But the effort must be in the direction indicated by God as shown by our acharyas. Accordingly, our effort must in identifying an authentic guru, submitting to him, rendering service to him, and humbly seeking knowledge from him. Such an acharya can guage us and guide us and give us knowledge exactly the way we can assimiate. A mother gives all the nutrients a child needs in the form the child can take – her milk. Likewise the acharya can take the ‘nutrients’ from the vedas and deliver it to the student in the exact form that is suitable for the student. If the infant prefers to avoid mother’s milk and search other sources to fetch food for nutrition, the child will suffer indigestion and other complications such that he may not be able to drink even mother’s milk for the next few days.; similarly if I try to prefer to fetch my own knowledge from other sources (instead of following the direction shown by God to seek knowledge) then I will undergo similar suffering that may prevent me from taking even a proper acharya’s guidance for the next few life times. 

 

If I can not see what an elephant is life, the proper procedure is to find a person who has seen the elephant and seek knowledge about the elephant from him. If I want to know about Vedas, I must followed the prescribed procedure and learn from a person who has leanrt vedas and lives by it.

On the otherhand, if I choose to enquire a blindman about the elephant, and to confirm if I cross check with a bunch of other blindmen who have independently analysed the elephant and come to their own conclusion about the elephant, my own understanding about the elephant is going to be far more erroneous. Error amplifies multifold with each step.

 

Let us put our efforts in the right direction, as instructed by God and as practised and prescribed by acharyas.

adiyen dasan.

 

PS: Kannadasan’s படிப்பில்லாதா ஆள் put the effort in the right direction – in expressing his utter inability at the lotus feet of God and surrendering at His lotus feet. Perumal, out of His own will, gifted the படிப்பில்லாத ஆள் with full understanding of the Vedas. 

Please hear Bhagavad Gita upanyasam on chapter 8, verse 28; chapter 11 verse 53&54. Based on what is taught in the upanyasam, please study these verses from an authentic commentary.

adiyen dasan.

Let me add one more point, please:

While it is correct to say “But we should have our efforts also”, it is not correct to say “If we attempt only He will give the results.”. He can give independent of any other reasons. If He decides to give, then He can give Himself not only to the illiterate potter and even to the potter’s inanimate pot.

adiyen dasan.

7 days ago

Thank you for your response. 

adiyen

Sri vaishnava dasan

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2 on February 24, 2021

Srimate Ramanujaye namaha,

Jayram.swamy i have not read the particular verse you stated..i am not sure if i can get access to an authentic source.
But based on your description..it looks like difference being..statement A: Prime minister of india rules the country vs statement B: Narendra modi rules the country. Both are non different.

Ofcourse in this gross example prime minister is subject to change but in eternal creation purusha is eternally the same person..Lord Krishna.

Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan

7 days ago

enpanifan swamy,

I am giving the link with hymns and meaning. You can check up for the meaning of the hymn with your authenticated source, if it is available and let me know also.

https://www.swami-krishnananda.org/invoc/in_pura.html 

Both are non different.From enpanifan

I have already mentioned that both appeared to be similar. But, my point is that one has to follow the name whichever was quoted first. This has been the practice. In this case, Rik veda being anadi, it is Purusha.

adiyen

Sri vaishnava dasan

6 days ago

Yes Enpanifan Swami, actually eventhough there is no mention of name Krsna in Rg Veda. His name is mentioned in Atharva Veda.

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11 on February 25, 2021

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Jayaram Swami,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Ammangaar Abhimaanam and Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami Aasirvadham, Adiyen would like to SHARE some details regarding the correct understanding of “Puruhsa” and “Karma kanda and Brahma kanda“.

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami in Upanyasam says Vedas are split in to TWO called as:

‘1) PoorvA Bhaagam (1st portion) called as “Vedham (veda)” –> Karma Kaanda

‘2) UttharA Bhaagam (2nd portion) called as “Vedhantam (vedanta) which is nothing but the Upanishads”. –> Brahma Kaanda.

 

1) “Poorva Bhaagam (Karma Kaanda)” in Vedas tell primarily about Karma-Anushtanams, but DOESN’T FULLY REVEAL who is ParaBrahmam/ParaDevatha/ParamAthma. It only tells MAINLY that, if one do this particular yaagam/yagjyam, then the particular Phalam is given by that Particular Devatha. So, many people do that Karma-Anushtanams and follow each Devatha, since PoorvA-Bhaagam of Vedas doesn’t talk about PARA DEVATHA (எல்லா தெய்வத்துக்கும் மேம் பட்டவர் யார் , who is the ultimate leader for all Devathas).

 

Hence, Many small Sampradayam/Mathams exists due to those GURU’S/Matha Thalaivargal limit their knowledge by just reading/following only Poorva-Bhaagam of Vedas and doesn’t go beyond to learn the Uttara-Bhaagam of Vedas. Hence, they live in confused state and their followers as well, without knowing who is actual BhagavAn/ParamAthma/ParaBrahmam/ParaDevatha as per Vedas.

 

2) “Uttara Bhaagam (Brahma Kaanda)” in Vedas is called “Upanishads/Vedhantam” which explains in detail meaning the ESSENCE OF VEDAS/SHASTRAS which TALKS ONLY ABOUT “BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan” as ParamAthma/ParaBrahmam/ParaDevatha and all other Jeevathmas (either in human body or Deva body like Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc) are SHESHAN (Servant) to Supreme SHESHI “BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan”.

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PoorvAcharyas provide an “Marriage Analogy” example for the Poorva-Bhaagam & Uttara-Bhaagam of Vedas as below.

1) Poorva-Bhaagam of Vedas –> A Bride searching for one Bride-groom. Basically the parents looking many male photos before the women choses one Bride-groom. Which means, a JeevAthma not sure who is ParaBrahmam (final Bride-groom) as per Shastras/Vedas, so goes and prays all Devathas like Brahma, Shiva, Indra, Agni, Varuna etc.. including the ParaBrahmam Sriman Narayanan.

 

This state is “future SiVaishavaite” situation.

 

2) Uttara Bhaagam of Vedas –> A Bride (BhaddAthma) finally filters and decides/understands her One-and-Only bride groom (Supreme Sriman NarayanA) and get married to HIM and Trashes the remaining photos of other males (devatas) whom she didnot chose, since it in not necessary to keep the other male photos while the bride was deciding whom to get legally married as a Pathi-Vratha Sthree” .  So, Trashing the photos of other male photos after choosing One Bride groom is NOT disrespecting the other males.

This state is “SriVaishavaite” lakshanam of a Sharanagathan. TRUE NATURE OF ANY JEEVATHMA for NithyaKainkaryam and Moksham.

Moreover Sriman NarayanAn is the ONLY PUrushotthaman (MALE) and all other JeevAthmas are FEMALES in Deva Body like Brahma, Shiva, Indra, Agni, etc….including us in human bodies…..

So, out of ignorance, if a “future SriVaishnavaite” tell a “SriVaishnaviate” to pray other Devathas since Vedas says, we should just ignore them or enlighten them based on the higher level section of Vedas “Brahma Kaanda”. We are wise and one doesn’t say to someone’s wife to look at other male in the same way as she look at her Husband, then how come some say very Easily about the Spiritual Husband-Wife relationship. So, we can refrain from loose talks and Enlighten them more based on EXACTS (Swami’s Pravachanams).

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Next about PURUSHA (पुरुष)

meaning is “Puru Bahu Sanoti” Ithi Purushaha (One who gives bliss is Purusha,வரம் கொடுப்பவன் புருஷன் )

Puru means Plenty,

Sanoti means act of giving

So a devata or ParamAthma both give varam and can be called Purusha as per the Etimology, but devatas give varam based on their limited capability since they raw the ability by begging SUpreme Personality Sriman NarayanA whose ABILITY is ABUNDANT.

For this we need to understand the Tatva Trayam 

‘1) One ParamAthma,

‘2) Countless Chit (Sentient JeevAthmas)

‘3) Countless Achit (Insentient Jada Porul)

 

Again  ‘2) “Chit” is classified into three types ,

‘2 a), BhaddAthma : JeevAthmas covered with Karmas, Vaasanaas, Ruchi, Avidhya, Prakruthi Sambhandham. All those in Samsaram (this side of VirajAI River) like Brahma, Shiva, Indra, Agni, Varuna, humans etc…..

‘2 b) MukthAthma : Same above BhaaAdthmas named as MukthAthmas after reaching MOksham (other side of Virajai river),

‘2 c) NithyAthma : Those JevAthmas who have NEVER HAD KARMA VAASANAAS of Samsaram. Hence, they are called “Asprishta Samsara Gandhargal (a.k.a Nithya Sooris) like Vishvaksenar, Garuda, Aadhisheshan.

Now for these five classifications they are also called as Purushas as below:

  1. Achit  = Apurusha (Not a Purusha),
  2. Chit (BhaddAthma) : Purusha,
  3. Chit (MukthAthma) : Uth Purusha,
  4. Chit (NithyAthma) : Uttara Purusha,
  5. ParamAthma : Uttama Purusha

So Karma Kaanda of vedas (Rik, Yajur etc..) talks lot of “Purusha” means as they talk about “BhaddAthmas”. like Trapped JeevAthmas with Karmas on Deva Bodies (Devathas). It also talkes about Uttama Purusha, but very less.

However, Brahma Kaanda (Upanishds/Vedantham) deals with ParamAthma (Uttama Purusha) SUPREME PERSONALITY.

BhagavAt Gita is essence of Upanishads in which SUPREME SriKrishna declares HIMSELF as UTTAMA Purusha in BG 15 sloka 17 as below.

उत्तम: पुरुषस्त्वन्य: परमात्मेत्युदाहृत: |
यो लोकत्रयमाविश्य बिभर्त्यव्यय ईश्वर: || 17||

uttamaḥ puruṣhastvanyaḥ paramātmety udāhṛitaḥ
yo loka-trayam āviśhya bibharty avyaya īśhvaraḥ

 

So looking at word Purusha in Karma Kaanda (Rik etc..), we should not get carried away that Vedas recommend everyone to pray devatas. It is to be understood as those sections are meant for those at lower level Gyana followers of Karma Kaanda, since “Purusha” word is common and context sensitive in the sentences where it is used.

So, wherever in karma kaanda it says Purusha did the Creation of the word, it is to be understood that Utthama Purusha did the creation and not to confuse with devataas.

We discussed in details about Advaraka Shristi (Primary Creation by Sriman NarayanA) and Sadvaraka Shristi (Secondary creation handed over to JeevAthma Brahma) in details with refernce from PoorvAchayas Granthmas. People who are listening or reading general online texts like Srimadh BhagvAtam may not find these Swapdesa (In-Depth secret teachings). SO one has to listen to Swami’s Kalakshepam “Yathindra Mata Deepika” for these.

Swami Ramanuja BHagavAn’s Shristi Procedure | Dharma Sandeha (kinchit.org)

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyAr) Dasan,

UYYA ORAEY VAZHI UDAYAVAR THIRUVADI,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

6 days ago

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram ElayaAlwar Swamy.

Thank you for taking your time and efforts for the reply.

My interest is only to check on First Creator in Rik veda, though it talks about worshipping of other gods. At a few places, these gods are mentioned as Supreme and creator, but details similar to 10.90 is not mentioned anywhere against these gods (with my limited reading). This may be the reason for confusion amongst Matha Thalaivargal, as you have indicated (I may be wrong also).

You have mentioned Chit (BhaddAthma) as Purusha. Hence, I searched for the five classification of Purushas, but could not get any detail. I got Purusha as stated in purusha suktam as the results. In Rik veda 10.90, it is clearly mentioned as purusha only and hence I feel it can not be BhaddAthma. I do not know wherefrom this classification is got. I consider the Purusha mentioned is the Creator.

It also talks about Uttama Purusha, but very less.From ElayaAlwar

Rik veda clearly talks about the creation and Creator, even though it is less (Uttama Purusha as per your mentioning), which can be easily recognised by the reader. I accept the details on First creation and the Creator (may be Uttama Purusha as per you) given in 10.90. One interesting point I have observed in 10.90 is the mentioning of One fourth are mortal beings and three fourth are the Immortal Being. This appears to be similar to Leela vibhuti and Nithya vibhuti. In the present context, I am not considering yaagam / yagjyam which is done for any particular Phalam.  Just because Rik veda talks less on Creator, would it be correct to say that Rik veda talks only about karma kanda?. If Purusha (or even Uttama Purusha) is the Creator, then why that name is not followed. It is a general convention that the name appeared first will be followed. In this case, Rik veda being anadi and first amongst the vedas, it is Purusha which should have been followed for the name of the Creator. I understood from the commentaries on Rik veda that Narayanan is mentioned as a Rishi.

When I went through Rik veda, I could recognise between the First creation and subsequent  creation. This was mentioned in my initial post (but of course with a sounding of point for clear confirmation).  

It is told that the Vedas are from the Creator. I feel that in case if the details are structured in an orderly way e.g., in the order starting from details on Creator, creation, other gods, devathas, yagas, rituals,  etc., there would not have been any ambiguity on the Supreme and the people who believes in vedas would have followed a single sampradayam.

P.S : All the sampradayams of sanadhana dharma accept vedas. Still, they are following different God and treat them as their Supreme. In order to know the missing link why it is so, despite calling Rik veda as karma kandam, I have attempted to go through Rik veda, and see whether there is any mention of Creator, if at all and what it is called as. I have mentioned about this in some other thread earlier also, why even though vedas are accepted, different sampradayams are existing. This is the reason why I want to stick mainly to Rik veda.

adiyen

Srivaishnava dasan

5 days ago

Srimate Raamanujaye namaha,

Swamy i dont think whole of Rik veda is considered karma kaanda..it might consist of both karma and brahma kaanda..

Secondly why should the name of the creator or using the generic name purusha affect us? and why should everybody be in the same path..diversity is non separable from nature..people have different levels of karma , interests and affinities..and hence various branches of vedas need to fulfill them..some parts are written in an ambiguous or a generic way so as to help convince everybody that all of them are infact in the vedic pathway…

Perhaps that is why vedas are called marai in tamil..

There is no problem for a sincere follower of vedas, it will eventually take all the sincere followers to the same destination, some may take longer some shorter..

Problems arise only when there are comparisons and supremacy debates..otherwise diversity is not an issue.

When one practices what is said in vedas then the hidden details will be revealed internally by the mercy of acharaya and “purusha ” as in who is this purusha referring to.
So lets try that route.

Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan

5 days ago

Namaskaaram Swami,

Let me share what I have understood. Yes swami, what you have stated is true. Everyone cannot be in the same path as you say. That would be artificial. But at a time a person can only follow one path.

By the way, taking the authority of Rk veda alone would not be sufficient. You would find that the name Krsna is mentioned in Atharva Veda ( that’s what I have learnt).

Sri Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita that “vedais ca sarvair aham eva vedyah”. So Sri Krsna says that the purpose of the Vedas is to understand Him. I am pretty sure you know this. So let’s all try to understand Him.

5 days ago

True..swamy. agreed
Adiyen

5 days ago

Adiyen 🙏

4 days ago

enpanifan swamy,

it might consist of both karma and brahma kaanda..From enpanifan

I welcome your affirmative statement.

After studying and analysing, I understand that people of different sampradayams take reference of various hymns from Rik veda and further reference of other vedas & puranas of their sampradayams and say their deity is Supreme. There can be only one Supreme. After referring to a common scripture and coming out with multiple Supreme Being is acceptable?. That is reason why I have been concentrating only on Rik veda. I am quoting one example to indicate how 10.90 is interpreted by other sampradayam.

Satyam Sivam Advaitam: Purusha Suktam – A Hymn to Lord Rudra, ( Also presented with my commentary) (hara-hara-mahadev.blogspot.com)

Here Purusha Suktam is called a hymn to Lord Rudra. But here it is silent on one of the important detail ” three fourth are the Immortal Being”, which I believe pertains to Nithya Vibhuthi.

Even within one sampradayam there are several faiths. It is not the question of reaching destination earlier or later. The seeker should know the correct destination. The unique details of the One Supreme Being should be known to all, including the layman. Why should one go round about and spend lot of time to know. I feel, as I mentioned in my previous post, Rik veda could have been structured in a way to give clear idea in this regard.

some parts are written in an ambiguousFrom enpanifan

Why should there be ambiguity in a sacred text like Rik veda, supposed to be the FIRST one, and accepted by many.

I know that this discussion may not lead to any concrete conclusion.

adiyen

Srivaishnava dasan

4 days ago

Swami appreciate your concern and understandable.
But we cannot see the whole picture and needs of various living entities..but Supreme Lord can see all perspectives and that is why He has created vedas..or rather eternally exists as His breathing ..so we cannot say it could have been better..reality has to be accepted..
This question is in the same angle as in tour previous thread..why should there be a Brahmam etc?..
Certain.things are facts and cannot be changed…but the reason why it is so may be revealed to us if we deserve and if He desires to.
Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan

4 days ago

enpanifa swamy,

Noted.

adiyen

 

4 days ago

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Swami just came.across this info..
In the second last para of purusha suktam there is a line..

“hrīścha tē lakṣmīścha patnyau”..does it help to clear the ambiguity?

Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan

4 days ago

I think this is not in Rik veda 10.90. 

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Swami the line above is quoted in the following verse..refer to second last paragraph..this is also perhaps part of rig veda perhaps..not sure.
https://vignanam.org/veda/purusha-suktam-english.html
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Swamy,

Purusha suktam of Rik veda has 16 verses only. This is not from that. Mandal 10 of Rik veda is given at

Rgveda, Mandala 10 (uni-goettingen.de)

10.90 is called Purusha Suktam.

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