Rama Praying to Shiva in Rameswaram

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31 on September 1, 2016

Namaskaram Swami, First i would thank you for your great service to keep our Sanatana dharma alive and your en pani talks brought a change in our lives. Pallandu Vaazhgha ungal sevai !!

This is an unanswered question from my childhood.. Why Rama prays to Shiva in Rameswaram to defeat Ravana?

We have been told Sriman Narayanan is the Para Devata and we should surrender to HIM. As Rama is the avatar of Sriman Narayana himself why should he pray to Anya Devataa?

You have mentioned in the enpani about Aaditya hrudayam and Rama saluted Surya bhagavan as hewas his ancestor.

 
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This happening is not in Valmiki Ramayana which is the original source.

on September 4, 2016

Nandri Swami

on September 6, 2016

Aneka Koti Namaskaram to Swami…

Do you mean that the incident and the rameshwaram temple were just made up by someone. Also this incident is detailed in Skanda Purana, Padma Purana and Adyatmika Ramayana which was preached by Valmiki Maharishi to Sri Rama. Do you also mean that the sthala purana of Rameshwaram is false. I remember you mentioning that our Sastras comprises right from Vedas, itihasas, ashtadasa puranas, ashtadasa upa puranas to sthala puranas. “thasmat sastram pramanante karya karya vevasthithou”

Also your enn pani discourse about aditya hrudayam is very demeaning our surya deva. You repeatedly said that as AH is in Ramayana we can chant which implies that other stotras on other devatas are not chant-able. Or do we have to understand that this is addressed only for Sri Vaishnavas. Rama himself as a Human worshipped him; why not “Sri Vaishnavas” who are very much humans (of course covered by their karmas just like me), much less so than Sri Rama, worship other devatas like Surya bagavan.

The reason for my burst here is few actions of so called sri vaishnavas who are just destroying our dharma by just showing severe dvesha towards ithara devatas of our dharma.

Let us assume that all these are false and Lord Narayana is the only parabrahmam. Dont you (please) think the preachings of a person like you with your tremendous influence within our dharma will bring a divide among us and would ultimately destroy our dharma. It is said that in 2050 the population of one of the other religion is going to surpass sanathana dharma’s followers. At this stage don’t you think a coherence is needed among us.

I took the liberty of writing this as I am trying for the past 4 years to be a ardent follower of you; who is a minor member of enn pani; who also done very kinchit kainkaryam in kattumannarkoil; who also have contributed very very very small money; who have listened your entire ‘kannanin aramudhu’. I am not saying all these to boast; I know what a low life I am. I just want to make a point that I am sincerely trying to follow your preachings.

According to me you are none other than the Sri Maha Vishnu himself as a saguna sakara parabhramam. If I have uttered anything wrong I am ready to take this papa and am ready to take as many million births to that papa parihara. I am saying this with FULL experience of how cruel a single birth can be.

Sri Krishnan Swamy padharavindhngale saranam.

 

on October 22, 2016

RKCH Swamy,

Dasanudasan. With Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s anugraham, adiyen wish to say something.

History is fabricated by the rich or powerful. Rameshwaram & Aadithya Hrudhayam theories looks to be falsified according to research esp. by SriVaishnavas.

Looks like the continuity of previous shloka and next shloka of Ramayanam is broken by Adithya Hrudhayam. Seems injected.

We just cannot share something to comfort someone. Sriman Narayana is the para Brahmam. He is second to one.

We all are his children, including Brahma, Rudra and Indra, devareer and adiyen.

See from Shaivaite angle, a Shaivaite would not wish to say Narayana is greater than Shiva. I have seen this happening @ thiruvaanikovil Srirangam next to our great lord SriRanganathan sannidhi.

One Mami said “Shiva Shiva” when we uttered Ranga Ranga.

Mother Teresa is bound to say “oh Jesus” & do social service. The motive is important. From Srivaishnavite perspective you are bound to read such comments.

Adiyen also like Chandrashekhar periyava Swami. It does not mean we forego our principles. You can see ahobila jeer Swamy and periyava connect video in YouTube,

Periyava says be what you are and here we are.

Forgive anything wrong
Adiyenukku adiyen
Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy thiruvadigaley sharanam

on October 24, 2016

Namaskaram!!

Scientists believe in only when they experiment and get the result. In between, many contradicting theories may evolve and confuse others. However, a truth is truth which no one can try to deny/alter it.

It is up to one’s own willingness/judgemental (or so-called privilege) whether to accept it or reject it. However, by doing so it doesn’t impact the truth. It impacts only his own Ghana. 

So, it is related to one’s Karmas that decide on when and where he/she/it will attain the right Ghana and then the Bhakthi and finally the Moktsha. 

Hence, truth is always truth and no one can deny that. What we should try to do is to analyse the facts with broad mind and trying to find the truth!!

Adiyean has a very very little knowledge in discussing about these here; but what I heard from Swamiji’s divya pravachanams prompts me to utter some words here. I believe, the right approach is just follow your Sanathadhana Dharma deeds and Bhagwan will take care of the rest!!

Sorry if I have uttered something incongruously or hurt anyone. 

 

Adiyean Ramanuja Dhasan Srinivasan !!

 

on October 25, 2016

Namaskaram!!!

All Vaishnavaas, Please forgive me if I offend or do aparaad at someone’s feet. 

In Srimad Bhagavatham 12.13.16
nimna-ganam yatha ganga
devanam acyuto yatha
vaisnavanam yatha sambhuh
purananam idam tatha

Translation : Just as the Ganga is the greatest of all rivers, Lord Acyuta the supreme among deities and Lord Sambhu [Siva] the greatest of Vaishavas, so Srimad-Bhagavatam is the greatest of all Puranas.

Krsna says in Bhagavad Gita 9.31
ksipram bhavati dharmatma
sasvac-chantim nigacchati
kaunteya pratijanihi
na me bhaktah pranasyati

Translation : He quickly becomes righteous and attains lasting peace. O son of Kunti, declare it boldly that My devotee never perishes.

Raavanaa is a great devotee of Lord Siva. Lord Siva assured all kinds of benefictions to him. However in Srimad Bhagavatham 12th Canto, 13th Chapter, 16th Verse says, among the Vaishnavaas, Lord Siva is the greatest Vaishnava. 

Just going by the words of Sri Krsna, in Bhagavad Gita Krsna says my devotee never perishes. So Krsna has to protect the words of Lord Siva that Raavana is invincible.
But Dharma needs to be established as well. So it is a kind of of embarrassment for Lord Ram to kill Ravana without the permission of his dear devotee Lord Siva.
That is the reason Lord Ram has to pray to Lord Siva to get his permission to go ahead.

Please excuse me  if there are mistakes.

Your Servant.

on October 26, 2016

Namaskaram,

This is purely my opinion.
If we listen to Sahasranamam discourse of Velukkudi Swamy, we find that Shambu is another name of Vishnu. Swamy parasara bhattar details it.

A highest vaishnavite is the one with highest devotion to Vishnu.

Even while giving “ever youth” boon to Markandeya, lord Shiva had to get permission of Sriman Narayana as Antharyami.

In puranam we have to accept only sathvika puranam as we wish to be sathvika jeevans.

The sathvika God is Vishnu only. Bruhu maharishi proves it. Narayana is the unparalleled name which has never been won.

Sriman Narayana has been proved as Para brahmam by many azhwars, acharyas including but not limited to Swamy periyAzhwar, udayavar, swami desikan and our own asmad swamy Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy by Veda vAkyAs.

In Srimad Bhagavatham lord Shiva retreats with his consorts from lord SriKrishna when trying to defend his devotee.

I am sorry to say for every action of Vishnu there is an alternative created in eshwara line up.

Thiruppavai V/s thiruvempaavai
Narasimhar V/s Sarabeshwarar
Rama V/s Rameshwaram
Lakshmi Natha Samaarambhaam V/s Sadhaashiva Samaarambhaam

Why would father get permission of a child? It should be the reverse. Lord Rama says I will use my nails to destroy, thinking of his Narasimha avatharam. He is not just human but acts human.

Sollamal Solliya Ramayanam upanyasam:
Rishi Vishwamitra tributes all his weapons to Sri Rama. Those weapons “astrams” can be retained only by uttering the mantras several times a day by normal human standards. While those Mantra devatas lined up before SriRam asking as to what to do? Lord Ram said ” You (devatas) enter me and I will invoke (call) you whenever required”. Lord SriRam need not utter those mantras on daily basis.

Swamy desikan asks, ” Hey Rama you are able to send jataayu to the path of moksham and you want us to believe you don’t know the path of Sitha piraati”?

Also SriRam says “NAsayAmi jagath sarvam” will destroy all worlds when Samudra Rajan did not oblige to his sharanaagathi.

It is better to note when all worlds extinct Ravana will also be part of it and lord Rama will still be Aalilai Krishna with Markandeya witnessing.

Apologies, please let Sri Rama to be the hero in Srimad Ramayanam, Lakshmi Narasimha to be hero in Nrusimhavatharam.

Let Shiva rule Shiva puranam/Linga puranam that is devoted to him no objections. As a sathvika Srivaishnavie we would not interfere Sriman Narayana’s own Leela.

“VishnO karmAni Pashyatha” – Purusha sukhtham

Vishnu is doing see
Vishnu is doing see

Dasanudasan

on October 26, 2016

Swamy AGCD,

Namaskaram!! Again.. adiyean..

Just to express few words….

From Swami’s Divya pravachanams…

It is how a mother or a father will love to see their baby to hit their chest with its legs when they carry. Same way, Bhagwan is the Mother/Father of all the Jeevarasis; and hence, none of these deed will lower His power and so on…

If He(as Mother) loves to see these deeds as enjoys the Leela then why we (also His children) have to debate about this unnecessarily??

What we are discussing here are all part and parcel of His Leelaas and He changes the post of all Devathaa’s at the end of each Pralaya Kala (Brahma’s at the end of Maha Pralaya Kala). So… it is only the posts and not specific persons.. That too appointed by Him.

We have to try to develop a great Ghana to see this from the bird’s-eye view – Parantha manappaanmai.

 

Srinivasan.

 

on November 8, 2016

Swamy KomalSrini2000,
Namaskaram!!!
I am not trying to debate here. If it has been understood that way, please forgive me.
I am trying to aid the conversation with whatever scriptural knowledge I have because of the mercy of my Spiritual Master and all the Vaishnavas.

Krsna has sixty-four principal attributes. All the expansions or categories of the Lord possess only some percentages of these attributes.
Lord Siva possesses almost eighty-four percent of the attributes.(Srimad Bhagavatham 1.3.28)

kshiram yatha dadhi vikara-visesha-yogat
sanjayate na tu tatah prithag asti hetoh
yah sambhutam api tatha samupaiti karyad
govindam adi-purusham tam aham bhajami

“Milk changes into yogurt when mixed with a yogurt culture, but actually it is constitutionally nothing but milk. Similarly, Govinda, the Supreme Personality of Godhead, assumes the form of Lord Siva [Sambhu] for the special purpose of material transactions”
The real nature of Sambhu, the presiding deity of Mahesa-dhama, is also described here.

Sambhu is not a second Godhead. Such discriminating sentiment entertained is like committing a great offense against the Supreme Lord Krsna. The supremacy of Sambhu is subservient to that of Govinda; hence they are not really different from each other.

I don’t worry about what is the alternative literature created by Mundane Scholars.
However the vedic literature is original and is breathing from the Supreme Lord, which is Perfect and commentaries are given by the Perfect people.
Everyone is a Iswara to their capacity for example, Husband is an Iswara in his house. Prime Minister is an Iswara of a country etc.

In the material world… The creation of the material world is one-fourth demonstration of the whole creation, and this is one of the universes. In the material world there are innumerable universes. Yasya prabha prabhavato jagad-anda-koti [Brahma Samhita. 5.40]. Entire creation was an expansion of Krsna’s energy. The Vaikuntha planets, broad and effulgent, were unlimited in number. To the corner of the entire creation, where the material world is situated. Maha-Visnu (Karanodakshayi Vishnu) is lying down there, and millions of universes emanate from His skin holes. Each universe is filled up with unlimited numbers of living entities who inhabit all of the planets and stars. One of these planets is our earth, and on this planet are many continents. On one continent there is this Country, and in that country there are so many big cities. Here is Chennai, and in Chennai there is a street, TP Koil Street. On this Street, among all of the buildings, is the house where I live. And in this house there is one AGCD. And I am thinking that I am  very important. This really shows how unimportant I really am. That means I do not have any right to comment on the Vaishnava Acharyas, Vaishnavas and demi gods and the Supreme Lord except to surrender unto the Lotus feet of Krsna.

Your Servant.

on November 12, 2016

@AGCD Swamy
Nice explanation
Dhanyosmi
Your Servant

on December 4, 2016

Namo Namaha

“History is fabricated by the rich or powerful. Rameshwaram & Aadithya Hrudhayam theories looks to be falsified according to research esp. by SriVaishnavas”

 @ Vikraminside – Sorry to say, the above quote is the most ludicrous thing among all the ludicrous things that you have mentioned. In order to satisfy your ego and prove your belief, you have reached a stage to question the very authenticity of our sastras. OK, let me summarize yourself for you. Everything within our sastras that declare Sri Narayana as the parabhramam is true and everything else is fabricated.

Oh! I also would like to convey what one Shaivaite told me. Through many researches conducted by them, they have proven that everything in our sastras that claims Narayana as parabhramam is false. They also claim that Sri Ramanuja himself with the tremendous (political and spiritual) power has falsified many incidents. His travel to kashmir to acquire the original copy of Bhrama sutra also has never happened according to a research. Also, they say, he has interfered in the agamas of Thiru Anathapadmanabha Swamy temple and Puri Sri Jaganadha Swamy temples and has been shunned from those places. They ask why he had interfered with a belief and practice that those people were following.

You also have mentioned that AD is injected in to Sri Ramayana. Then what about “Kousalya Supraja Rama Poova Sandhya….” Sloka. Here Vishvamitra maharishi commands Rama to wake up and perform Poorva Sandhya. Is this sloka also was injected by a sourya. Or, are you going to invent a new meaning for “Poorva Sandhya”. Sri Rama, who completely is aware of his parabhramatvam, has performed Sandhya Vandana. Oh! OK, because Surya bagawan is his ancestor; so he prayed him. They why did Sri Krishna, who is from Chandra Vamsa performed Sandhya Vandana and Rudropasana. There are various verses in Vyasa Bharata about this. The point is, Sri Rama and Sri Krishna preaches us that one should perform the kartavyas of their own upadhi even if he is parabhramam himself. Hence I am at a loss to understand why the present day Sri Vaishnavas refuse to embrace the whole sanatana dharma. On the contrary they are involving in extremely disturbing deeds. (Not accepting or throwing away prasadams of other deities, showing prushtam while sitting, going away from the street if other deities procession comes that way and etc). If we keep on dissecting our sastras in order to satisfy our egos and to prove our beliefs, then our dharma will be no more in few decades. 

“Vishnu is supreme according to Vaishnava puranas, Mahadeva is supreme according to Shiva puranas, Shakti is supreme according to Shakteya puranas and so on” Our sastras says all these and all are compiled by Vyasa bagawan..

I think it is very important to keep our egos aside and try to understand the hrudaya of our veda matha than plunging in to the agnana of questioning our sastras.

A very kind request to Sri Vaishnavas, If you want to follow what your acharyas has said, please do. No problem. But please don’t try to convert people from other sampradayas. Dont get me wrong, according to me, a shaivaite who shows dvesham towards Vishnu is also a moodan. 

Namo Namaha.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

I want to share with you what I have heard in my house from elders. I wish to say this with utmost humility. The 105th sarga of yuddha kanda is clearly inserted . There is no continuity between the 104th and 105th sarga, but 104 and 106 sargas fit perfectly. At the end of 104th sarga Sri.Rama was victorious and in high spirits, and it was Ravana who was led away from the battle field by his sarathy, seeing Ravana’s
miserable plight.
In sarga 106 Ravana coming out of his swoon and confusion, rushes in his magnificent chariot toward Sri Rama pouring arrows from his bow and Sri Rama comments to Matali, serving as His sarathy, “Ravana is back and it looks like he is determined to destroy himself.”
There is no need for anyone to give Sri Rama any help or encouragement. It was Ravana who was sunken in his chariot, confused, disoriented and furious at his own
good driver.
Sarga 105 does not fit the flow. Some one with good intention of propagating the Adithya Hrudayam may have inserted it here.
This is what I have heard from my family elders. I am no authority in these things, but wanted to share this..

By Radha Rangarajan Swamy
Date: 22 Aug 2014
This mail made more sense to me.

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I feel Lord Vishnu will make his Kalki avatar tomorrow, because there is nothing more insulting to Dharmam than this… Fighting ourselves!

on December 22, 2016

Srinivas Ram Kumar:
பெரியவா சரணம்

ஜே. டபிள்யூ எல்டர் என்ற ஐரோப்பியர் பெரியவா தரிசனத்திற்காக வந்தார்.

பெரியவா தரிசனமும் கிடைத்தது. “பெரியவா சிரிக்கும் போது, குழந்தை கிறிஸ்து சிரிப்பது போலிருக்கிறது! மானுடத்தை விஞ்சிய ஒரு தெய்வீக ஈர்ப்பு இருக்கிறது…….” என எண்ணிக் கொண்டார்.

பிறகு, பெரியவாவிடம் ஒரு கேள்வி கேட்டார், “சுவாமிஜி! ஹிந்து சமயக் கோட்பாடுகளில், எந்த இரண்டு தத்துவங்களை, இன்றைய காலகட்டத்தில் அழுத்தமாக விளக்கிக் கூறி, மக்கள் சமுதாயம் பயன் பெறச் செய்ய வேண்டும் என்று தாங்கள் விரும்புகிறீர்கள்?”

பெரியவா நீண்ட நேரம் மௌனமாக இருந்தார். திடீரென்று பதில் வெளிப்பட்டது.

“பாரதம் சுதந்திரமடைவதற்கு முன், சுமாராகப் பத்து சதவீத மக்கள் தான் நேர்மை குறைந்தவர்களாக இருந்தார்கள். எல்லாத் தொழிலாளர்களின் பேச்சிலும் சத்தியமும், நேர்மையும் இருந்தன.

“கடன் கொடுத்தல், பண்டமாற்று முதலியன கூட, சொற்களின் அடிப்படையிலேயே நடந்தன. பேச்சுத் தவறினால், பாவம் வந்து சேரும். நமது சந்ததியினர் துன்பப் படுவார்கள் என்ற பயம் இருந்தது. ”

” இப்போது, அதெல்லாம் பேச்சு, வயது வந்தவர்களுக்கு வாக்குரிமை என்று சட்டம் போட்டார்கள். அந்த உரிமையைக் கொடுக்கும் முன், அதை அவன் எவ்வாறு உபயோகிப்பான் என்று எண்ணிப் பார்க்க வில்லை. கல்வி அறிவில்லாத, ஏழையான ஒருவனுக்கு இவ்வளவு முக்கியமான உரிமை கிடைத்தால் என்ன செய்வான்?……. என்ன செய்வானோ அதுவே நடந்தது! வாக்குரிமை விலை பேசப்பட்டது. இது, முதலாவது வீழ்ச்சி. . ”

மேலும் தொடர்ந்தார் ,

அடுத்து, புதிய கண்டுபிடிப்புகளால் ஏற்பட்ட பொது நல விரோதச் செயல்கள் . போர்வெல் போட்டு நிலத்தடி நீரை உறிஞ்சி விட்டால்….. அப்புறம், தண்ணீர் ஆதிசேஷன் தலை வரை போய் விடுகிறது. வருமானம் அதிகரித்து விட்டதால், ஆடம்பரமான வாழ்க்கையில் மனம் ஈடுபடுகிறது. ‘எது வாழ்க்கைக்குத் தேவை? எது சுகபோகம்? ” என்ற உணர்வு மரத்துப் போய் எதைக் கண்டாலும் அனுபவிக்க வேண்டும் என்ற அசுரத் தன்மை வந்து விடுகிறது.

” எளிமையான வாழ்க்கையை அமைத்துக் கொண்டால், அந்த வாழ்க்கை எல்லோருக்கும் நிச்சயமாகக் கிடைக்கும். ஆனால், சுக போகங்களை எல்லா ஜனங்களுக்கும் கிடைக்கச் செய்ய முடியுமா? அவ்விதம் கிடைக்கப் பெறாதவர்கள், நேர்மையைக் கைவிடுகிறார்கள்! ”

” வாக்குத் தவறாத நேர்மையும், எளிமையுமே இரண்டு முக்கியத் தேவைகள்…….. .. ”

அரை மணி நேரம் வெள்ளம் போல கொட்டித் தீர்த்து விட்டார் பெரியவா.

ஐரோப்பியர்,, ஆனந்த வெள்ளத்தில் மூழ்கித் திக்குமுக்காடினார்.

ஐரோப்பியரின் கேள்வி, இன்றைக்கும் பொருந்தக் கூடியது தான்…

பெரியவா பதில், என்றைக்கும் பொருத்தமானது தான்!..

on January 1, 2017

As one can see, these mantras name Vishnu as the preserver of the world, and indicate that He traversed the whole world, which is collected as the dust in His footprints. All attributes of a Supreme Deity.

tad viSNoH paramaM padaM sadA pashyanti sUrayaH
divIva cakSurAtatam
|| RV 1.22.20 ||

This states that the seers see always that “Supreme Abode” where SriVishnu reside.

tad viprAso vipanyavo jAgRvAMsaH samindhate
viSNoryat paramaM padam
|| RV 1.22.21 ||

Another reference to the “Supreme Abode” of Vishnu.

Now here is a reference to Vishnu as the creator of the three worlds:

viSNornu kaM vIryANi pra vocaM yaH pArthivAni vimamerajAMsi
yo askabhAyaduttaraM sadhasthaM vicakramANastredhorugAyaH
|| RV 1.154.1 ||

pra tad viSNu stavate vIryeNa mRgo na bhImaH kucaro giriSThAH
yasyoruSu triSu vikramaNeSvadhikSiyanti bhuvanAni vishvA
|| RV 1.152.2 ||

This says that the three worlds abide in Vishnu’s three paces. So, again, we have an explicit reference describing Lord Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds. That hardly sounds like the function of an administrative devata.

pra viSNave shUSametu manma girikSita urugAyAya vRSNe
ya idaM dIrghaM prayataM sadhasthameko vimame tribhirit padebhiH
|| RV 1.154.3 ||

This is another reference to Vishnu, “who alone made, by three steps, these three worlds.”

yasya trii puurNaa madhunaa padaanyakShiiyamaaNaa svadhayaa madanti ya u tridhaatu pR^ithiviim uta dyaam eko daadhaara bhuvanaani vishvaa
|| RV 1.154.4 ||

And yet again, Vishnu as the maintainer of the three worlds.

tA vaM vAstUnyushmasi gamadhyai yatra gAvo bhUrishRN^gAayAsaH
atrAha tadurugAyasya vRSNaH paramaM padamava bhAti bhUri
|| RV 1.154.6 ||

And yet again, the “Supreme station” of Vishnu..

agnirvai devAnamavamo viShNuH paramaH || aitareya brAhmaNa 1.1.1 ||

This says that among devatas, Agni is “lowest” and Vishnu is “highest.”

aniravamo devatAnAM viShNuH paramaH
|| taittirIya saMhitA 5.5.1 ||

That’s also saying the same thing, that Vishnu is the highest devata!

asya devasya mILhuSo vayA viSNoreSasya prabhRthe havirbhiH
vide hi rudro rudriyaM mahitvaM yAsiSTaM vartirashvinAvirAvat
|| RV 7.40.5 ||

This makes it abundantly clear that Rudra derives his power from worship of Vishnu!

on January 1, 2017

“Akashat patitam toyam sagaram prati gacchati, sarva deva namaskaram Keshavam prati gacchati”
(“All the water fallen from the sky goes to the sea, salutations to all the gods reaches to the one Lord Narayana)- sri Adi sankarachariar

on January 1, 2017

“Akashat patitam toyam yathA gachchhati sAgaram, sarva deva namaskaram Keshavam prati gacchati”
(“All the water fallen from the sky goes to the sea, salutations to all the gods reaches to the one Lord Narayana)- sri Adi sankarachariar

on January 16, 2017

What are we trying to prove?? Either both side wins or both of you lose.. HariHara!!!!

on January 16, 2017

I have raised a question and I have got reply and clarity from Shri U ve Velukkudi Krishnan Swami. This is closed.. Please keep your arguments out of this posts.

on May 20, 2017

Hare Krishna! Namaskaram to all the devotees and learned scholars.

My respects at the lotus feet of Sri Velukkudi swamy.

Sorry to continue the discussion but wanted to share few thoughts that may help get over the agitation (as it helped me). A careful ‘self’ introspection will help get answers to many questions of life. 

Spirituality is all about ‘inside’ OR ‘self’ and not about others/the world. If the devotion to any lord is ‘pure’, it does not and should not get affected by others claiming superiority of some other lord. If it does, it only shows the weakness of one’s own devotion to his/her lord. Now, as much as superiority is challenged, it does not augur well for learned scholars to argue that everything is same, without knowing the facts. Please do read Bhagavad Gita/Bhagavatam where many of such questions are answered with “rationale”.

Now, coming back to worshipping of demi-gods, there is clear rationale given in Bhagavad Gita as to why one should avoid worshiping demi-gods. Without understanding the “rationale”, it may not help arguing whether its correct or wrong. Also defining “who” is demi-god hurts sentiments of people, so as far as the “rationale” is understood, its best to keep away from such unnecessary arguments. Acharyas have authority in defining who is demi-god but we may not have such authority. Even if Sri Rama worshipped demi-god, it does not mean that we can imitate the lord. Sri Ram lived in a different yuga and we live in Kali-yuga so the prescription is different. The teachings do have context of time/place.

Speaking of discrimination, it would be there always for we are not paramahamsa. Paramahamsa does NOT discriminiate as everything is same for them. And neither paramahamsa will get into arguing ‘everything is same’ because even claiming superiority is a “perfect” act for them. There is no right or wrong in their view. So we should not assume we are paramahamsa and if we assume, we should neither get into any argument, as there is nothing called “wrong” in that view.

I request to please not to misunderstand that the points are in support of one side. Sometime, you need to lean towards one side in order to balance.

We all know that this forum is for ‘Sri Vaishnavites’ and so it will have its own ‘flavor’. With the little energy and little time we have, if we can ignore the unproductive aspects, and focus on teachings from Bhagavad Gita / Bhagavatam, it would be of immense help to all of us.

Hare Krishna, Om Namo Bhagavate Vasudevaya, Om Namo Narayana.

Please forgive/correct if there is any misunderstanding.

Adiyen.

on July 4, 2017

“Sarva deva namaskaram Kesavam pratigatchati” 

If this is analysed with the rules of Nyaya sastra then, “Sarva deva THIRASKARAM Kesavam pratigatchati” is true.

To all “Shiva Dveshies”, be careful, your dveshams ultimately reaches Kesava.

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Sri RAMAnuja Munaye Namaha,

(Sri Rama’nukku Anujan’aana Sri Lakshmana Muniyaagiya Ramanujarai Vanangugiraen)

 

Sri Dasarathiye Namaha,

(Ramanujar’ukku Shishyan’aana Mudhaliyandan’aaga Avatharittha Dasaratha Puthiran SriRAMA BhagavAnai Vanangugiraen).

 

Srimadh Vara Vara Munaye Namaha,

(Swami Manavaala Maanunigalai Vanagugiraen)

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

(Nammudaya Agyanatthai Poakki, Nammalai Acharyan Thiruvadiyil Saerkkum Swami’yai Vanangugiraen)

 

 

Dear Baktha,

 

Who is doing Thiraskaram on other JeevAthmas like Shiva, Brahma, Indra etc….

All JeevAthmas (Chit ‘Sentient’) & Achethanam (Achit ‘Insentient’) are both Shareeram (Body) to ParamAthma Sriamn Narayanan. This is what Sri Velukkudi Krishna Swami has tought us.

 

Stating the fact is not Thiraskaram. If someone else says, adiyen is a JeevAthma and adiyen is still in this Samsaram due to adiyen’s Paapam & Punya karmas, the is that a Thiraskaram?. That is a fact that we should know, so we can elevate ourself and one should accept it.

 

Swami has answered a FACT , as the incident is not described in the Original text Valmiki Ramayana, then that is a FACT, since HE is a ‘learned Scholar’ and has acquired the knowledge based on PoorvAcharyars teachings. So, we can ask further questions with OPEN MIND for clarification, instead of disrespecting a ‘Learned Scholar’ like Swami by using many “YOU” words.

 

Swami is a Mahan and HE is not going to pay attention to it, rather HE keeps blessing ALL of us including the Baktha to elevate ourself by doing more Shravanam and understand the UNMAI Porul “Sriman Narayanan (ParamAthama)” and we all are JeevaAthmas (Sub-Servient to BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan), stuck-up in different bodies like we are in oridinary bodies, and some JeevAthmas stuck-up in Hi-Fi Deva bodies like Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc…..

We all JeevAthmas are Samsaris called as BadhAthmas waiting for Sriman Narayan KRUPA KATAKSHAM to reach Moksham ‘Sri Vaikuntam’.

 

At the same time, Bkatha’s “good Sathva guna” is also relveealed when Baktha is saying Sri Velukkudi Swami as According to me you are none other than the Sri Maha Vishnu himself as a saguna sakara parabhramamand Baktha has also done very kinchit kainkaryams“.. That is a Pure “SriVaishnava Lakshanam”. The SriVaishana Lakshanam doesn’t come by birth, it comes by practice as Baktha is currently doing. Please continue more Kainkaryams for BhagavAn Kesevan Happiness.

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Anyway, since Baktha has knowledge about “Nyaya Shastras and Tarka Shastras”, Adiyen believe, Baktha should be able to provide “Spiritual Answers” for ANY Question whether the question is a Materialistic question or a Spritual question.

 

So, can Baktha provide ONLY “SPIRITUAL Perspective Answers” for the below Materialistic Questions based on the “Tarka & Nyaya Shastras” based on Baktha’s knowledge?

 

Question-1:

For the entire slokam “………………………..Sarva deva namaskaram Kesavam pratigatchati”, Can Baktha provide TWO types of answers.

 

Question-2:

Provide One line Spritiual answer for each question.

  1. a) Thambi (Neenga) Yaaru?
  2. b) Oorukku Thalaivar Yaaru?
  3. c) Thambikku Yenga Poganum?
  4. d) Andha Oorukku Yeppadi Poganum?
  5. e) Ivalavu Naal Yean Andha Oorukku Poga Mudiyavillai?

Question-3:

Please provide Spiritual meanings for each word and the sentence :

  1. a) “NeruppuDa NerungaDa Paapom, Nadakkuma-Mudiyuma?
  2. b) “ALL Thotta BhooPathi Naanada, Entha Amarargalukkum AthiPathi Naanada?

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Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Adiyenai Shamikka Prarthikkiraen,

 

Sri Velukkudi Swmai Thiruvadigalaey Thanjam,

Thayar-Perumal-Alwar-Emperumanaar-Jeeyar-Acharyar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,

 

Padikkaamal Maadu Meiythu Kondi Irundha One-and-Only “SriKrishna” ParamAthma BhagavAN ki Jai.

 

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Proof: Narayana Upanishad
* From Narayana emerged Maha-Rudra, the annihilator
* From Narayana came the twelve sons, the eight vasus, the Rudra and all the Vedas
* Brahma is Narayana
* Shiva is Narayana
* Indra is Narayana
* Narayana is the eternal principle
* Every being merges in Narayana
* Earth and the Heaven are Narayana
* Time verily is Narayana
* Directions are Narayana
* The upper world is Narayana
* The nether world is Narayana

It goes on and on and on

So no point in discarding anything. Narayana is supreme that’s it. Comparing with anything else becomes irrelevant.

* Narayana is the Supreme Self without a second

Na dvithiya sthitha kaschith

Ya yevam veda
* this is declared by the yajur veda

Dasanudasan

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Sthavya sthava Priya sthothram

Even if he prays, he prays to himself. He is too kiddish. He is self sufficient. He begs for Bali still measures all the world. He plays like Krishna for butter but the butter can be as big as 14 worlds

Varkalai krishnan – Janardhan Kerala

His right hand is positioned as if he is performing “Aachamanam”. His right hand is raised towards his mouth and legends say that if his hand goes nearer to his mouth, the world will come to an end – deluge or Pralayam . It is believed to happen at the end of the Kali Yuga when evil forces dominate the world. There are the shrines of Sasta and Shiva with Nandi on the temple premises according to sources!!! Hope this helps.

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Sri GodhaGraja’yai Namaha,

Sri Dasarathi’yai Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

Narasimha Avoham.

Devanagiri language version of “Neruppuda Nerungada paapom…….” is the divine background song sung by Devathas (Demi-Gods) in favour of BhagavAn Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Perumal whenever HE descends.

 

Dhanyosmi to all Bhagavatas & Sanatana Dharmi’s who follows Shastras/ Vedas for BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan (ParaBrahmam – THE SUPREME) Happiness. We bow our head to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami for enlightening us with the TRUE KNOWLEDGE through various Upanyasams/Enpani audios.

 

Adiyen would like to surge some positive energy to the ENTRIE thread conversations starting from the defendant RKCH Bhagavata (another JeevAthma, a property of SriKrishna) without deviating from Sanatana Dharmam philosophies and in accordance with Swami’s beautiful Enpani topic #543 (Suggestion or Aggression), though Swami lowers himself to uplift Agyani samsaris like us. This makes us remember the kalyana gunam “SOWLABHYAM (easy access of magnanimous personality)” of BhagavAn SRIKRISHNA THE SUPREME during HIS avatar from HIS abode SriVaikuntam. In the same way, magnanimous Swami also interacts, enlightens, blesses us and forgives our mistakes by lowering himself with easy access like SRIKRISHNA. We are very fortunate to be born in the same period as Swami’s avataram.

 

If everyone have patience, then please read with diligence. If boring, then please improve the Sathvika qualities (patience, concentration etc..) by praying to Lord Anjaneya and then come back and read. If not, please ignore. However, most welcome to fix adiyens mistakes as well, since adiyen is also a JeevAthma in this samsaram bounded by adiyens Karmas/Agyanam who is trying to improve everyday with Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Anugraham and Asmadh Acharyar Krupai.

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A-1):

Adiyen strongly believe that Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s above thread answer “Rama Praying Shiva is not in Valmiki Ramanyanam which is the original source are based on “Oran Vazhi Guru Paramparai” teachings which goes by PRAMAANAM (True source of Knowledge materials) which means taught by lineage of preceptors starting from GitaAcharyan (THE SUPREME GOD SriKrishna) via PoorvAcharyars/Swami Ramanujar and finally to us through Asmadh Acharyas as well as through Pandithargal/Vedhathikal like Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami and other VishitaAdvaita preceptors. Valmiki Ramayana was written as and when the incidents happened (so original source), and if it doesn’t state this happening, then YES, that is the answer and we ACCEPT. So We should spread Swami’s answer to other sampradhayams of Sanatana Dharmam to have a unanimous thinking.

 

 

If we are not satisfied with the answer, then it is a SCHOLARLY level debate and not to a Devotee level debate. WE should refrain from further discussions unless we are a scholar & the opponent is also a learned scholar. We should apply the same on other situations as well, if we get caught-up in conversations as “Is Advaitham or VishishtaAdvaitam the great?, Or, Is Thenkalai or Vadakalai the great? Or, Hare Krishna Nama Sangeertanam or Prapatti for Moksham the great, 1st varna or last varna who gets Moksham first, Male or Female gets Moksham first, or age 20 to improve till age 80 for Moksham, these are all Vidhadavaadham, who are we to decide?. If BhagavAN gives Moksham at age 20, then he gives, we should not propagate that Bhakthi will improve at age 80 and then Moksham, since BhagavAns Karunai is the KEY in Sanatahana Dharmam which decides Moksham irrespective of age? etc….

 

Have we undergone Spiritual studies from a preceptor for many years to acquire the true knowledge to become as a Scholar (Pandithar or Vidhvaan or Vedhanthi), if not, we have NO AUTHORITY to defend Swami’s answer, since our knowledge is a “mixture of knowledge acquired by listening to various teachings + poking in to all other sampradayam answers + Google search knowledge + friends relatives sharing information + attaching our own expectations to the answer based on our vipareetha vaasanai/vipareetha gyanam plus whatever…..”. There is possibility that some of our knowledge may be correct and some are incorrect.

 

So, how to validate our knowledge is by referring back to Swami’s Upanyasams and REGURGITATING/SHARING the same answer to others without mixing our own expectations/attachments/ignorance as much as possible. There is nothing wrong in sharing TRUE knowledge, if we can REFERENCE it to the POORVACHARYAR’S teachings (PRAMAANAM). But adiyen’s PRAMAANAM is fully relying on Swami’s Pravachanams, either Upanyasams or EnPani which is overruled again with Sri Velukkudi Swami’ Anugraham and Acharyar Krupai. Adiyen believe each one of us expect the same. Isn’ it?.

 

Accepting Swami’s answer or not?, is one’s own personal intuition. But, we have to keep ourselves with OPEN MIND to ask a question to Swami & get clarified, which we do. If anyone is not satisfied with Swami’s answer, then they can ask further question POLITELY to Swami and get it clarified and move-on. If we counter question Swami’s answer improperly, then we need to ask apology to Swami as Swami’s knowledge is PURE as a DIAMOND and our knowledge is also a diamond but covered with lot of dirt. Adiyen also believe that, the knowledge that we gained is definitely through Swami’s upanyasams, and we are utilizing the same knowledge to counter question Swami’s answer. Swami will gently smile at us and forgive like a Father forgives a Child’s mistake (EnPani #669 “How to forgive”). At the same time, from our end, we cannot attach OUR OWN personal expectations on Swami’s answer, which is what SrKrishna clearly tells in BhagavAt Gita as NOT to do (Chapter 2 Text 62 “dhyayato visayan pumsah…..” meaning—-While dealing with the objects of the senses, we develop attachment for them, and from such attachment, the lust develops, and from such lust, the anger arises).

 

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A-2):

Same situation about Swami Ramanujar life incidents as Questioned by a BhagavAta in this thread. Sri Velukkudi Swami was already asked this question by another Bhagavata in a different thread, and Swami has responded in the Dharma Sandeha Thread under topic “Two parallel happenings in Jagatacharyar’s life”

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/two-parallel-happenings-in-jagatacharyars-life/

So, when we already have the answer, why do we need to confuse ourselves listening to gossips as mentioned by a Bhagavata in this thread as some “Shaivate’s are saying…….”.

If we need to know further details of this incident, we could very well ask Swami again. If Swami is willing to answer, then yes, we will get the answer. Shaivate or Vaishnavaite or any other categories refers to this perishable body only, but the actual TRUTH is “everyone of us are non-perishable JEEVATHMA, subservient to BhagavAn all the time”.

Swami Ramanujar is Adhisheshan avataram sent by BhagavAn to uplift agyani (ignorant) samsaris and take to SriVaikuntam , so we can enjoy the Permanent Happiness by doing Nithya Kainkaryam. So Swami Ramanujar did many sacrifices in his avatar term like ” Naan Narakam (hell) ponaalum Parava illai, Yella JeevAthma SriVaikuntam adayumaey / நான் நரகம் போனாலும் பரவா இல்லை, எல்லா ஜீவாத்மா ஸ்ரீவைகுண்டம் அடையுமே, so HE superceded the promise that HE gave to HIS Acharyar Thiru Kozhtiyoor Nambi. Either we follow Swami Ramanujar or not, we need to keep the Respect for Mahans. Also, we need not be told of all the Deva Rahasyams of Swami’s avataram. Please listen to Swami Ramanujar Vaibhavam and related so many upanyasams.

 

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A-3):

When Sriman Narayanan THE SUPREME creates the Leela vibhoothi, HE also makes the related shastras, so each of us could follow including the demi-gods Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc.. Like, BhagavAn SriRama Avatar was to show us “How to repect ELDERS” (Elders means who is not only aged but also follows Shastras; and not just being an elder by age and not following shastras). BhagavAn says to consider Maatha-Pitha-Guru as Deivam (GOD), which means this statement is applicable to ONLY those people who follows “Shastras ” and have “Thani Manitha Ozukkam (Self Disiplined Moral Behaviour)”. Rest are just Maatha-Pitha-Guru for name sake and not to be considered equivalent to Deivam (GOD). At the same time, we cannot disrespect them, since they will also follow shastras at some point and become a Bhakta, like how we were a parent in past Janmas without following shastras and got this janma. Finally by hearing Swami’s upanyasam in this janma, we are trying to follow shastras and become a Bhakta.

 

Coming back to the topic. SriRama did Namaskaram and Prayed to his father Dhasharata. Does it mean, Dhasharata is the SUPREME GOD?. SriRama also did Namaskaram to all Elders. Does it mean, all Elders are the SUPREME GOD?. SriRama during Vana Vasam, did Namaskaram and Prayed to the Rishis/Sages in the forest. Does it mean, the Rihsis/Sages are the SUPREME GOD?. In SriKrishna Avatara, SriKrishna showed a calf how to drink water from a river by folding his hand backwards & then bending the knee down and then bowing his head towards the pond and licked the water, so the calf could learn how to drink. Does it mean cow is the SUPREME GOD?. When BhagavAn creates the Leela vibhoothi and put JeevAthma inside cow body or Human body or other bodies, HE also trains them on how to utilize the body to do their respective bodily Dharma like the calf drinking water.

 

Even if Rameswaram incident is quoted in different Ramayana other than Valmiki Ramayana written by different scholars, we can accept the answer in a view point that “since SriKrishna put a JeevAthma inside a Deva body (in this case Shiva body) as in vedas, then yes, there are going to be followers of that demi-god Shiva. So it is Supreme BhagavAn SriRamas responsibility to show how a person interested in praying the Demi-God Shiva should follow the rules. Hence SriRama showed how to pray Shiva in Rameswaram, like how SriKrishna showed the calf how to drink water from river”.

 

 

From the above references, even-if another version of Ramayana says, SriRama prayed to a demi-God Shiva, then it is to show/teach, how a devotee of that particular demi-God should prostrate to that demi-God, since SriRama created that particular demi-God and the entire world, so it is SriRama’s responsibility to show/teach how one should follow. So, we cannot force a devotee of SUPREME GOD SriRama to pray a demi-god, since the SUPREME SriRama is doing it, since we are only devote and cannot compare ourselves with SriRama’s actions. It is up to the personal interest of a devotee to pray to whichever demi-God they want as prescribed in Shastras/Vedas.

 

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Adiyens understanding from Upanyasam is, For those JeevaAthms who are interested to be in the Leela Vibhoothi very much can Prostrate/Pray to any demi-God which will help them to continue in the birth-rebirth cycle (Example is myself in Past Janmas and in the present Janma till adiyen did Sharanagathi to Perumal via Acharyar ThiruvAdi). But, if anyone decide, I don’t need any more re-birth (enough is enough), then they go and do Sharanagathi (Anyone from any kulam or varna is eligible for that) to the SUPREME LORD SriVishnu and then-on, they stay away from disturbing the demi-Gods, since those demi-God’s (Brahma/Shiva/Indra etc..) don’t have any authority to give Moksham. Moreover, those demi-Gods have to do their own responisbility to given boon to their devotees based on their caliber which they acquired by Prostarting/Praying to SriVishnu. Also, we need to keep in mind that those demi-Gods themslef also needs to go to Moksham at some point with BhagavAN’s grace. So, it is unfair for a Sharanagathan to go to a demi-God and disturb them, since it is directly disrespecting the demi-God, as they cannot give us what we want which is the Moksham. Anyone of us (JeevAthma) could have taken that demi-God position in the past jamnas, we never know. So a Sharanagathan stay away from such activity.

 

There is only ONE GOD (SriKrishna) and 33million demi-Gods which includes Brahma, Shiva, Indra, etc.. There are 14 worlds. All these comprises as one ANdaKadakam (Universe). Like wise, there are millions of AndaKadakams, whcih has same set-up, a different Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc… but all AndaKadakams under one GOD control the SUPREME SRIKRISHNA, who is also taking as VIshnu Avatar on each of these AndaKadakams to help the demi-Gods to run HIS Leelai.

 

There is only ONE ParamaAthma (SriKRISHNA) and millions of Chit (JeevAthmas, Sentient which includes demi-gods, humans, animals, etc…) and millions of Achit (Achetanam, Insentient materialistic things..)

 

Swami has said in many upanyasams that there are only two Jaathis in the whole world, One is “Prapanna Jaathi” and another is “Varungaala (Future) Prapanna Jaathi”, since “SriVaikuntam Puguvadhu Mannavar Vidhiyaey”, either in this Janma or some janma, all jeevaAthmas have to reach SriVaikuntam as final destination. All the 4varnas and kulams are sub-division to each of the above two Jaathis to do their own dharmam with “Yatha Shakthi” in whichever varna/kulam we (JeevaAthma) get the body. Like, Anthanar to Anthiyar have to do their prescribed dharma as per shastras.

Being in whichever varna/kulam, either we are a devotee or a non-devotee, still we have to follow “THANI MANITHA OZHUKKAM”, which is the base foundation of SANATANA DHARMAM. There are numerous topics under the category “Behaviour” in EnPani.

As far as Equality is concerned, Swami has answered how to treat everyone equal under the EnPani #19 (Topic: “Atma Samatvam”). Please listen.

 

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Adiyen doesn’t feel that there is any fighting or agitation going on under this topic or BhagavAn Kalki will take Avataram tomorrow, but adiyen agree that there is Vicharm (unnecessary debate) with high intensity which is leaning towards Apacharam (insult to BhagavAta). BhagavAn SriKrishna THE SUPREME DOESN’T like either “VICHARAM and/or APACHARAM”, as it is a road block for SriKrishna ANUBHAVAM, so we should refrain from such conversations. If we continue, it will ofcourse confuse BhagavAn himself and may definitely affect ANY JeevAthma getting Moksham in the same birth (EnPani #506 “Who is a BhagavAta”).

Also, why do we need to worry or focus on other religions % increase by 2050. Is this a task given by the SUPREME SriKrishna for us?. The answer is NO. BhagavAn will decide which faith will lead to HIS lotus feet, we don’t need to worry about HIS creation, since it is HIS responsibilty. We should focus only what Sanatana Dharmam says without Apacharam or Vicharam and attain Moksham which only SriVishnu can grant, which is the purpose of life (GOT THIS BIRTH TO REALIZE NOT TO TAKE RE-BIRTH). Our responsibility is to follow what Sanatana Dharmam says.

 

We ALL (Sentient and Insentient, or any matham) belong to one family VASUDEVA KUDUMBHAM as said by Rishis and Sages.

 

On top of this, Anyone who accepts the Shastra’s/Vedas and accepts what Shastra’s/Vedas says about the ABSOULTE TRUTH which is nothing but THE SUPREME SRIKRISHNA himself is a SriVaishnavaite (It doesn’t matter which varna or kulam he belongs to). Further, the JeevaAthma has to propose the AASAI to BhagavAn to go to Moksham, then he becomes a Prapannan”.

A Prapannan have to continue to adhere what SriKrishna says, one of example is eat only food that is offered ONLY to ME, since SriKrishna is the only SUDDHA SATHVAMAYAM (ParamaAthma) and all others are JeevAthma’s in their respective Mishra tatvam bodies (Rajas and Tamas gunas).

Adiyen is a JeevaAthma who is stuck-up in this human body, and some JeevaAthmas are stuck-up in Deva bodies like Brahma body, Shiva body, Indra body etc…. So can I offend another JeevaAthma residing in a deva body?. The answer is NO, since that JeevaAthma is also a Sotthu (property) of SriKrishna. Everyone of US (JeevaAthmas) have to get relief (reach MOKSHAM) from this Mishra Tatvam body. This will happen only if we (JeevaAthmas) Totally surrender to BhagavAn SriKrishna.

BhagavAn SriKrishna also says, there is NO ONE EQUAL TO ME or ABOVE TO ME, so even thinking in mind or even speak that “this purana says this is GOD & that purana says this is GOD etc..” is a Paapam. Then how will we get SriKrishna’s blessing and attain Moksham. HE will be UDHASEENAN till we realize and come back and surrender to HIS Lotus Feet. We have gone through millions of Janmas and finally got this Human body. If we miss this Train, then we are back to the same status as “Punarabhi Jananam, Punarabhi Maranam, Punarabhi Jananii Jatareay Shayanam….” as said by Adi Sankaracharyar. We never know, when we will get another human body. It could be another millions of years or may be never.

At the same time, a Sanatana Dharmi can eat food offered to other JeevAthmas present in the Mishra tatvam Deva bodies (like Brahma or Shiva or Indra etc..), it is not considered as an offense as per Shastras, but we will get the qualities (paapam/punyam/gunas) of that Jeevathma that is residing in that Mishra tavam deva body which has Rajas & Tamas gunas, which in-turn will influence our behavior. That is a personal choice of a Sanatana Dharmi, but we cannot direct a SriVaishnavaite/Prapannan to accept food offered to other JeevaAthmas residing in deva bodies. If we say so, then we are offending SriKrishna (THE PARAMATHMA) himself, which no one should, since SRIKRISHNA THE SUPREME has clearly instructed how a SriVaishanavaite/Prapannan should lead the rest of his life before he attains Moksham in the same birth with SriKrishna’s Lotus Feet Anugraham which is nothing but the Asmad Acharyar ThiruvAdi.

Like, when a parent is in the process of searching bridegroom (Who is the SUPREME GOD) for a bride (Future Prapannan), there will be many bridegroom choices (Yetthai Thinnal Pittham Theliyum, Is this the Final GOD or Is that the Final GOD), but once the bride (now turned to a Prapannan) gets married (Prapatti) to the bridegroom (SriKrishna THE SUPREME), then the HUSBAND (SUPREME GOD) is the one that bride will LIVE with and they share same food and the women likes to eat the food in same plate as her Husband ate. At this time, can a non-married women advise the bride to LIVE or eat the food from one of the previous bride groom choices (other Deities) as if, it is nothing wrong since your parent were initially looking for some bridegroom anyway? Is this situation applicable after a women (Prapannan) got married to a MAN (SriKrishna who is the PURUSHOTHAMAN). Isn’t this absurd and ludicrous.

Cashew nut is good for everyone, but some kids are allergic to cashew nuts and get rashes. So a parent totally avoids the buying or bringing cashew nuts at their home, since by mistake there is possibility that the kid will eat it from the kitchen and finally the parents are the one who feels the pain looking at their child’s suffering which is due to his own ignorance. So, is it wrong if a parent enquires if a neighbor brings food made with cashew nuts? The parent will tell, none of us eat cashew nuts, since my kid is allergic to cashew nut. This is not an offense. This is SriVaishavism.

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At the same time, there are two instances about Moksham and the Supremacy. Anyone born in any varna or kulam can have the desire to go to Moksham. It will be granted ONLY by SriKrishna.

  • Markandeyan is a VEERA devotee of the JeevaAthma residing in the Shiva body. He gave all the boon to Markendeya as he wished. At one point, Markandeya asked Him, I would like to go to Moksham. Then, the JeevaAthma in the Shiva body said, I don’t have any Jurisdiction to grant Moksham, since I myself don’t know where is Moksham. He said only SriVishnu can grant Moksham as HE is the SUPREME. This proves “SriVaiKuntam Puguvadhu Mannavar Vidhiyaey”
  • GantaKaranan was a VEERA devotee of the JeevaAthma residing in the Shiva body. Why he was called as GantaKarana is because he wears a Ganta (bell) in his ears (Karanan). So when anyone says or chants name of SriKrishna, then he keeps shaking his head so that the bell rings loudly and he will not be able to hear BhagaVan’s name. His nature is man-eater. At some point, from somewhere he has heard about Moksham/Mukthi/SriVaikuntam. So, he approached the JeevaAthma in the Shiva body and asked where is Moksham and I want to go there. This was during the SriKrishna Avatar period. So, He said to GanataKaranan that I’m Helpess and Moksham is beyond my jurisdiction. He said that SriKrishna has said to come to Kailasam, so when HE comes here, you can ask HIM directly about Moksham. We know GantaKaranan is a Dveshi of SriVishnu, but on seeing SriKrishna, GantaKaranan wanted to offer something, but his habit is man-eating. At that time, he saw a rishi doing tapas (Bhakthi Yoga Margam) to go to Moksham. He killed him immediately and offered it to SriKrishna and asked Moksham. SriKrishna was shocked, but he gave the Rishi and GantaKaranan and his brother who was just standing nearby also to Moksham.

Where can we fit this incident (Rishi without completing Bhakti Yoga Margam got Moksham) & GantaKaranan who is a man-eater & dveshi (hated) of SriVishnu offered this food and attained Moksham, and his brother who never even asked for Miksham also got Moksham. This is because of GantaKaranan’s just last minute desire to go to Moksham.

Can we do the same as GantaKaranan, the answer is NO, because we are not GantaKaranan, we are Humans and we have to follow what SriKrishna has said us to do in BhagavAt Gita and offer the Prescribed Vegetarian food what SriKrishna says in BhagavAt gita and to the capacity to what we have in this Janma without offending anyone.

So, we know who is THE Supreme and what kind of powers HE has to give Moksham. HE need not prove this to anyone. SriKrishna only expects the AASAI and expects us to say “I’m HELPLESS”, since I have gone to all demi-gods and no one can give Moksham, since they themselves don’t know where is Moksham, but THEY (Demi-Gods) directed me to the correct place as to who is the SUPREME GOD SriKrishna himself to getting Moksham.

So, a Future Prapannan (Future Devotee of SriKrishna) cannot give ignorant advises to a Prapannan (Surrendered Devotee) to follow or accept food from a demi –god Shiva , since the Future Prapannan himself is not clear who is the SUPREME GOD (Yetthai Thinnaal Pittham Theliyum).

AND a Prapannan cannot offend any Demi-God at any time, since they are also a JeevaAthma belonging to SriKrishna like us trapped in ordinary Human Bodies.

At the same time, a Prapannan cannot deviate his mind, thinking, speech, actions on to another demi-god, since it is same as a wife paying attention onto neighbors wife’s husband and betraying own HUSBAND THE SUPREME Sriman Narayanan, when we have SUrrenderred on HIS lotus Feet. A prapannan is wife (JeevAthma) of one HUSBAND the SriKrishna (ParamAthma) and a wife is devoted to her HUSBAND ONLY.

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Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Acharyar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam

Swami Ramanujan Yennai Aandananaey,

Chella Pillai Yathiraja Sampathkumar SriKrishna Ki Jai….

Sarvam SriKrishnarnam Asthu

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Sri GodhaGraja’yai Namaha,

Sri Dasarathi’yai Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

Narasimha Avoham.

Devanagiri language version of “Neruppuda Nerungada paapom…….” is the divine background song sung by Devathas (Demi-Gods) in favour of BhagavAn Sri Lakshmi Narasimha Perumal whenever HE descends.

 

Dhanyosmi to all Bhagavatas & Sanatana Dharmi’s who follows Shastras/ Vedas for BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan (ParaBrahmam – THE SUPREME) Happiness. We bow our head to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami for enlightening us with the TRUE KNOWLEDGE through various Upanyasams/Enpani audios.

 

Adiyen would like to surge some positive energy to the ENTRIE thread conversations starting from the defendant RKCH Bhagavata (another JeevAthma, a property of SriKrishna) without deviating from Sanatana Dharmam philosophies and in accordance with Swami’s beautiful Enpani topic #543 (Suggestion or Aggression), though Swami lowers himself to uplift Agyani samsaris like us. This makes us remember the kalyana gunam “SOWLABHYAM (easy access of magnanimous personality)” of BhagavAn SRIKRISHNA THE SUPREME during HIS avatar from HIS abode SriVaikuntam. In the same way, magnanimous Swami also interacts, enlightens, blesses us and forgives our mistakes by lowering himself with easy access like SRIKRISHNA. We are very fortunate to be born in the same period as Swami’s avataram.

 

If everyone have patience, then please read with diligence. If boring, then please improve the Sathvika qualities (patience, concentration etc..) by praying to Lord Anjaneya and then come back and read. If not, please ignore. However, most welcome to fix adiyens mistakes as well, since adiyen is also a JeevAthma in this samsaram bounded by adiyens Karmas/Agyanam who is trying to improve everyday with Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Anugraham and Asmadh Acharyar Krupai.

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A-1):

Adiyen strongly believe that Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s above thread answer “Rama Praying Shiva is not in Valmiki Ramanyanam which is the original source are based on “Oran Vazhi Guru Paramparai” teachings which goes by PRAMAANAM (True source of Knowledge materials) which means taught by lineage of preceptors starting from GitaAcharyan (THE SUPREME GOD SriKrishna) via PoorvAcharyars/Swami Ramanujar and finally to us through Asmadh Acharyas as well as through Pandithargal/Vedhathikal like Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami and other VishitaAdvaita preceptors. Valmiki Ramayana was written as and when the incidents happened (so original source), and if it doesn’t state this happening, then YES, that is the answer and we ACCEPT. So We should spread Swami’s answer to other sampradhayams of Sanatana Dharmam to have a unanimous thinking.

 

 

If we are not satisfied with the answer, then it is a SCHOLARLY level debate and not to a Devotee level debate. WE should refrain from further discussions unless we are a scholar & the opponent is also a learned scholar. We should apply the same on other situations as well, if we get caught-up in conversations as “Is Advaitham or VishishtaAdvaitam the great?, Or, Is Thenkalai or Vadakalai the great? Or, Hare Krishna Nama Sangeertanam or Prapatti for Moksham the great, 1st varna or last varna who gets Moksham first, Male or Female gets Moksham first, or age 20 to improve till age 80 for Moksham, these are all Vidhadavaadham, who are we to decide?. If BhagavAN gives Moksham at age 20, then he gives, we should not propagate that Bhakthi will improve at age 80 and then Moksham, since BhagavAns Karunai is the KEY in Sanatahana Dharmam which decides Moksham irrespective of age? etc….

 

Have we undergone Spiritual studies from a preceptor for many years to acquire the true knowledge to become as a Scholar (Pandithar or Vidhvaan or Vedhanthi), if not, we have NO AUTHORITY to defend Swami’s answer, since our knowledge is a “mixture of knowledge acquired by listening to various teachings + poking in to all other sampradayam answers + Google search knowledge + friends relatives sharing information + attaching our own expectations to the answer based on our vipareetha vaasanai/vipareetha gyanam plus whatever…..”. There is possibility that some of our knowledge may be correct and some are incorrect.

 

So, how to validate our knowledge is by referring back to Swami’s Upanyasams and REGURGITATING/SHARING the same answer to others without mixing our own expectations/attachments/ignorance as much as possible. There is nothing wrong in sharing TRUE knowledge, if we can REFERENCE it to the POORVACHARYAR’S teachings (PRAMAANAM). But adiyen’s PRAMAANAM is fully relying on Swami’s Pravachanams, either Upanyasams or EnPani which is overruled again with Sri Velukkudi Swami’ Anugraham and Acharyar Krupai. Adiyen believe each one of us expect the same. Isn’ it?.

 

Accepting Swami’s answer or not?, is one’s own personal intuition. But, we have to keep ourselves with OPEN MIND to ask a question to Swami & get clarified, which we do. If anyone is not satisfied with Swami’s answer, then they can ask further question POLITELY to Swami and get it clarified and move-on. If we counter question Swami’s answer improperly, then we need to ask apology to Swami as Swami’s knowledge is PURE as a DIAMOND and our knowledge is also a diamond but covered with lot of dirt. Adiyen also believe that, the knowledge that we gained is definitely through Swami’s upanyasams, and we are utilizing the same knowledge to counter question Swami’s answer. Swami will gently smile at us and forgive like a Father forgives a Child’s mistake (EnPani #669 “How to forgive”). At the same time, from our end, we cannot attach OUR OWN personal expectations on Swami’s answer, which is what SrKrishna clearly tells in BhagavAt Gita as NOT to do (Chapter 2 Text 62 “dhyayato visayan pumsah…..” meaning—-While dealing with the objects of the senses, we develop attachment for them, and from such attachment, the lust develops, and from such lust, the anger arises).

 

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A-2):

Same situation about Swami Ramanujar life incidents as Questioned by a BhagavAta in this thread. Sri Velukkudi Swami was already asked this question by another Bhagavata in a different thread, and Swami has responded in the Dharma Sandeha Thread under topic “Two parallel happenings in Jagatacharyar’s life”

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/two-parallel-happenings-in-jagatacharyars-life/

So, when we already have the answer, why do we need to confuse ourselves listening to gossips as mentioned by a Bhagavata in this thread as some “Shaivate’s are saying…….”.

If we need to know further details of this incident, we could very well ask Swami again. If Swami is willing to answer, then yes, we will get the answer. Shaivate or Vaishnavaite or any other categories refers to this perishable body only, but the actual TRUTH is “everyone of us are non-perishable JEEVATHMA, subservient to BhagavAn all the time”.

Swami Ramanujar is Adhisheshan avataram sent by BhagavAn to uplift agyani (ignorant) samsaris and take to SriVaikuntam , so we can enjoy the Permanent Happiness by doing Nithya Kainkaryam. So Swami Ramanujar did many sacrifices in his avatar term like ” Naan Narakam (hell) ponaalum Parava illai, Yella JeevAthma SriVaikuntam adayumaey / நான் நரகம் போனாலும் பரவா இல்லை, எல்லா ஜீவாத்மா ஸ்ரீவைகுண்டம் அடையுமே, so HE superceded the promise that HE gave to HIS Acharyar Thiru Kozhtiyoor Nambi. Either we follow Swami Ramanujar or not, we need to keep the Respect for Mahans. Also, we need not be told of all the Deva Rahasyams of Swami’s avataram. Please listen to Swami Ramanujar Vaibhavam and related so many upanyasams.

 

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When Sriman Narayanan THE SUPREME creates the Leela vibhoothi, HE also makes the related shastras, so each of us could follow including the demi-gods Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc.. Like, BhagavAn SriRama Avatar was to show us “How to repect ELDERS” (Elders means who is not only aged but also follows Shastras; and not just being an elder by age and not following shastras). BhagavAn says to consider Maatha-Pitha-Guru as Deivam (GOD), which means this statement is applicable to ONLY those people who follows “Shastras ” and have “Thani Manitha Ozukkam (Self Disiplined Moral Behaviour)”. Rest are just Maatha-Pitha-Guru for name sake and not to be considered equivalent to Deivam (GOD). At the same time, we cannot disrespect them, since they will also follow shastras at some point and become a Bhakta, like how we were a parent in past Janmas without following shastras and got this janma. Finally by hearing Swami’s upanyasam in this janma, we are trying to follow shastras and become a Bhakta.

 

Coming back to the topic. SriRama did Namaskaram and Prayed to his father Dhasharata. Does it mean, Dhasharata is the SUPREME GOD?. SriRama also did Namaskaram to all Elders. Does it mean, all Elders are the SUPREME GOD?. SriRama during Vana Vasam, did Namaskaram and Prayed to the Rishis/Sages in the forest. Does it mean, the Rihsis/Sages are the SUPREME GOD?. In SriKrishna Avatara, SriKrishna showed a calf how to drink water from a river by folding his hand backwards & then bending the knee down and then bowing his head towards the pond and licked the water, so the calf could learn how to drink. Does it mean cow is the SUPREME GOD?. When BhagavAn creates the Leela vibhoothi and put JeevAthma inside cow body or Human body or other bodies, HE also trains them on how to utilize the body to do their respective bodily Dharma like the calf drinking water.

 

Even if Rameswaram incident is quoted in different Ramayana other than Valmiki Ramayana written by different scholars, we can accept the answer in a view point that “since SriKrishna put a JeevAthma inside a Deva body (in this case Shiva body) as in vedas, then yes, there are going to be followers of that demi-god Shiva. So it is Supreme BhagavAn SriRamas responsibility to show how a person interested in praying the Demi-God Shiva should follow the rules. Hence SriRama showed how to pray Shiva in Rameswaram, like how SriKrishna showed the calf how to drink water from river”.

 

From the above references, even-if another version of Ramayana says, SriRama prayed to a demi-God Shiva, then it is to show/teach, how a devotee of that particular demi-God should prostrate to that demi-God, since SriRama created that particular demi-God and the entire world, so it is SriRama’s responsibility to show/teach how one should follow. So, we cannot force a devotee of SUPREME GOD SriRama to pray a demi-god, since the SUPREME SriRama is doing it, since we are only devote and cannot compare ourselves with SriRama’s actions. It is up to the personal interest of a devotee to pray to whichever demi-God they want as prescribed in Shastras/Vedas.

 

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Adiyens understanding from Upanyasam is, For those JeevaAthms who are interested to be in the Leela Vibhoothi very much can Prostrate/Pray to any demi-God which will help them to continue in the birth-rebirth cycle (Example is myself in Past Janmas and in the present Janma till adiyen did Sharanagathi to Perumal via Acharyar ThiruvAdi). But, if anyone decide, I don’t need any more re-birth (enough is enough), then they go and do Sharanagathi (Anyone from any kulam or varna is eligible for that) to the SUPREME LORD SriVishnu and then-on, they stay away from disturbing the demi-Gods, since those demi-God’s (Brahma/Shiva/Indra etc..) don’t have any authority to give Moksham. Moreover, those demi-Gods have to do their own responisbility to given boon to their devotees based on their caliber which they acquired by Prostarting/Praying to SriVishnu. Also, we need to keep in mind that those demi-Gods themslef also needs to go to Moksham at some point with BhagavAN’s grace. So, it is unfair for a Sharanagathan to go to a demi-God and disturb them, since it is directly disrespecting the demi-God, as they cannot give us what we want which is the Moksham. Anyone of us (JeevAthma) could have taken that demi-God position in the past jamnas, we never know. So a Sharanagathan stay away from such activity.

 

There is only ONE GOD (SriKrishna) and 33million demi-Gods which includes Brahma, Shiva, Indra, etc.. There are 14 worlds. All these comprises as one ANdaKadakam (Universe). Like wise, there are millions of AndaKadakams, whcih has same set-up, a different Brahma, Shiva, Indra etc… but all AndaKadakams under one GOD control the SUPREME SRIKRISHNA, who is also taking as VIshnu Avatar on each of these AndaKadakams to help the demi-Gods to run HIS Leelai.

 

There is only ONE ParamaAthma (SriKRISHNA) and millions of Chit (JeevAthmas, Sentient which includes demi-gods, humans, animals, etc…) and millions of Achit (Achetanam, Insentient materialistic things..)

 

Swami has said in many upanyasams that there are only two Jaathis in the whole world, One is “Prapanna Jaathi” and another is “Varungaala (Future) Prapanna Jaathi”, since “SriVaikuntam Puguvadhu Mannavar Vidhiyaey”, either in this Janma or some janma, all jeevaAthmas have to reach SriVaikuntam as final destination. All the 4varnas and kulams are sub-division to each of the above two Jaathis to do their own dharmam with “Yatha Shakthi” in whichever varna/kulam we (JeevaAthma) get the body. Like, Anthanar to Anthiyar have to do their prescribed dharma as per shastras.

Being in whichever varna/kulam, either we are a devotee or a non-devotee, still we have to follow “THANI MANITHA OZHUKKAM”, which is the base foundation of SANATANA DHARMAM. There are numerous topics under the category “Behaviour” in EnPani.

As far as Equality is concerned, Swami has answered how to treat everyone equal under the EnPani #19 (Topic: “Atma Samatvam”). Please listen.

 

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Adiyen doesn’t feel that there is any fighting or agitation going on under this topic or BhagavAn Kalki will take Avataram tomorrow, but adiyen agree that there is Vicharm (unnecessary debate) with high intensity which is leaning towards Apacharam (insult to BhagavAta). BhagavAn SriKrishna THE SUPREME DOESN’T like either “VICHARAM and/or APACHARAM”, as it is a road block for SriKrishna ANUBHAVAM, so we should refrain from such conversations. If we continue, it will ofcourse confuse BhagavAn himself and may definitely affect ANY JeevAthma getting Moksham in the same birth (EnPani #506 “Who is a BhagavAta”).

Also, why do we need to worry or focus on other religions % increase by 2050. Is this a task given by the SUPREME SriKrishna for us?. The answer is NO. BhagavAn will decide which faith will lead to HIS lotus feet, we don’t need to worry about HIS creation, since it is HIS responsibilty. We should focus only what Sanatana Dharmam says without Apacharam or Vicharam and attain Moksham which only SriVishnu can grant, which is the purpose of life (GOT THIS BIRTH TO REALIZE NOT TO TAKE RE-BIRTH). Our responsibility is to follow what Sanatana Dharmam says.

 

We ALL (Sentient and Insentient, or any matham) belong to one family VASUDEVA KUDUMBHAM as said by Rishis and Sages.

 

On top of this, Anyone who accepts the Shastra’s/Vedas and accepts what Shastra’s/Vedas says about the ABSOULTE TRUTH which is nothing but THE SUPREME SRIKRISHNA himself is a SriVaishnavaite (It doesn’t matter which varna or kulam he belongs to). Further, the JeevaAthma has to propose the AASAI to BhagavAn to go to Moksham, then he becomes a Prapannan”.

A Prapannan have to continue to adhere what SriKrishna says, one of example is eat only food that is offered ONLY to ME, since SriKrishna is the only SUDDHA SATHVAMAYAM (ParamaAthma) and all others are JeevAthma’s in their respective Mishra tatvam bodies (Rajas and Tamas gunas).

Adiyen is a JeevaAthma who is stuck-up in this human body, and some JeevaAthmas are stuck-up in Deva bodies like Brahma body, Shiva body, Indra body etc…. So can I offend another JeevaAthma residing in a deva body?. The answer is NO, since that JeevaAthma is also a Sotthu (property) of SriKrishna. Everyone of US (JeevaAthmas) have to get relief (reach MOKSHAM) from this Mishra Tatvam body. This will happen only if we (JeevaAthmas) Totally surrender to BhagavAn SriKrishna.

BhagavAn SriKrishna also says, there is NO ONE EQUAL TO ME or ABOVE TO ME, so even thinking in mind or even speak that “this purana says this is GOD & that purana says this is GOD etc..” is a Paapam. Then how will we get SriKrishna’s blessing and attain Moksham. HE will be UDHASEENAN till we realize and come back and surrender to HIS Lotus Feet. We have gone through millions of Janmas and finally got this Human body. If we miss this Train, then we are back to the same status as “Punarabhi Jananam, Punarabhi Maranam, Punarabhi Jananii Jatareay Shayanam….” as said by Adi Sankaracharyar. We never know, when we will get another human body. It could be another millions of years or may be never.

At the same time, a Sanatana Dharmi can eat food offered to other JeevAthmas present in the Mishra tatvam Deva bodies (like Brahma or Shiva or Indra etc..), it is not considered as an offense as per Shastras, but we will get the qualities (paapam/punyam/gunas) of that Jeevathma that is residing in that Mishra tavam deva body which has Rajas & Tamas gunas, which in-turn will influence our behavior. That is a personal choice of a Sanatana Dharmi, but we cannot direct a SriVaishnavaite/Prapannan to accept food offered to other JeevaAthmas residing in deva bodies. If we say so, then we are offending SriKrishna (THE PARAMATHMA) himself, which no one should, since SRIKRISHNA THE SUPREME has clearly instructed how a SriVaishanavaite/Prapannan should lead the rest of his life before he attains Moksham in the same birth with SriKrishna’s Lotus Feet Anugraham which is nothing but the Asmad Acharyar ThiruvAdi.

Like, when a parent is in the process of searching bridegroom (Who is the SUPREME GOD) for a bride (Future Prapannan), there will be many bridegroom choices (Yetthai Thinnal Pittham Theliyum, Is this the Final GOD or Is that the Final GOD), but once the bride (now turned to a Prapannan) gets married (Prapatti) to the bridegroom (SriKrishna THE SUPREME), then the HUSBAND (SUPREME GOD) is the one that bride will LIVE with and they share same food and the women likes to eat the food in same plate as her Husband ate. At this time, can a non-married women advise the bride to LIVE or eat the food from one of the previous bride groom choices (other Deities) as if, it is nothing wrong since your parent were initially looking for some bridegroom anyway? Is this situation applicable after a women (Prapannan) got married to a MAN (SriKrishna who is the PURUSHOTHAMAN). Isn’t this absurd and ludicrous.

Cashew nut is good for everyone, but some kids are allergic to cashew nuts and get rashes. So a parent totally avoids the buying or bringing cashew nuts at their home, since by mistake there is possibility that the kid will eat it from the kitchen and finally the parents are the one who feels the pain looking at their child’s suffering which is due to his own ignorance. So, is it wrong if a parent enquires if a neighbor brings food made with cashew nuts? The parent will tell, none of us eat cashew nuts, since my kid is allergic to cashew nut. This is not an offense. This is SriVaishavism.

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At the same time, there are two instances about Moksham and the Supremacy. Anyone born in any varna or kulam can have the desire to go to Moksham. It will be granted ONLY by SriKrishna.

  • Markandeyan is a VEERA devotee of the JeevaAthma residing in the Shiva body. He gave all the boon to Markendeya as he wished. At one point, Markandeya asked Him, I would like to go to Moksham. Then, the JeevaAthma in the Shiva body said, I don’t have any Jurisdiction to grant Moksham, since I myself don’t know where is Moksham. He said only SriVishnu can grant Moksham as HE is the SUPREME. This proves “SriVaiKuntam Puguvadhu Mannavar Vidhiyaey”
  • GantaKaranan was a VEERA devotee of the JeevaAthma residing in the Shiva body. Why he was called as GantaKarana is because he wears a Ganta (bell) in his ears (Karanan). So when anyone says or chants name of SriKrishna, then he keeps shaking his head so that the bell rings loudly and he will not be able to hear BhagaVan’s name. His nature is man-eater. At some point, from somewhere he has heard about Moksham/Mukthi/SriVaikuntam. So, he approached the JeevaAthma in the Shiva body and asked where is Moksham and I want to go there. This was during the SriKrishna Avatar period. So, He said to GanataKaranan that I’m Helpess and Moksham is beyond my jurisdiction. He said that SriKrishna has said to come to Kailasam, so when HE comes here, you can ask HIM directly about Moksham. We know GantaKaranan is a Dveshi of SriVishnu, but on seeing SriKrishna, GantaKaranan wanted to offer something, but his habit is man-eating. At that time, he saw a rishi doing tapas (Bhakthi Yoga Margam) to go to Moksham. He killed him immediately and offered it to SriKrishna and asked Moksham. SriKrishna was shocked, but he gave the Rishi and GantaKaranan and his brother who was just standing nearby also to Moksham.

Where can we fit this incident (Rishi without completing Bhakti Yoga Margam got Moksham) & GantaKaranan who is a man-eater & dveshi (hated) of SriVishnu offered this food and attained Moksham, and his brother who never even asked for Miksham also got Moksham. This is because of GantaKaranan’s just last minute desire to go to Moksham.

Can we do the same as GantaKaranan, the answer is NO, because we are not GantaKaranan, we are Humans and we have to follow what SriKrishna has said us to do in BhagavAt Gita and offer the Prescribed Vegetarian food what SriKrishna says in BhagavAt gita and to the capacity to what we have in this Janma without offending anyone.

So, we know who is THE Supreme and what kind of powers HE has to give Moksham. HE need not prove this to anyone. SriKrishna only expects the AASAI and expects us to say “I’m HELPLESS”, since I have gone to all demi-gods and no one can give Moksham, since they themselves don’t know where is Moksham, but THEY (Demi-Gods) directed me to the correct place as to who is the SUPREME GOD SriKrishna himself to getting Moksham.

So, a Future Prapannan (Future Devotee of SriKrishna) cannot give ignorant advises to a Prapannan (Surrendered Devotee) to follow or accept food from a demi –god Shiva , since the Future Prapannan himself is not clear who is the SUPREME GOD (Yetthai Thinnaal Pittham Theliyum).

AND a Prapannan cannot offend any Demi-God at any time, since they are also a JeevaAthma belonging to SriKrishna like us trapped in ordinary Human Bodies.

At the same time, a Prapannan cannot deviate his mind, thinking, speech, actions on to another demi-god, since it is same as a wife paying attention onto neighbors wife’s husband and betraying own HUSBAND THE SUPREME Sriman Narayanan, when we have SUrrenderred on HIS lotus Feet. A prapannan is wife (JeevAthma) of one HUSBAND the SriKrishna (ParamAthma) and a wife is devoted to her HUSBAND ONLY.

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Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Acharyar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam

Swami Ramanujan Yennai Aandananaey,

Chella Pillai Yathiraja Sampathkumar SriKrishna Ki Jai….

Sarvam SriKrishnarnam Asthu

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Sri GodhaGraja’yai Namaha,

Sri Dasarathi’yai Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

 

Narasimha Avoham,

 

1. Swami’s reference Valmiki Ramayanam (Root 1st source Pramaanam) to be considered for “ParamAthma SriRama NOT Praying JeevAthma Shiva”.

 

 

2. If Ashtadasa Puranas and Sthala Purana has this incident imentioned, then it needs to be considered in right sense as Supreme SriKrishna BhagavAn have to teach other JeevAthma’s on how to pray a Demi-God, only for those interested JeevAthma’s who are NOT prapannan, like SriKrishna showed cow on how to drink water from river in the above thread, since SriKrishna created everything, and HE also jumps down to Samsaram to teach, like ParamAthma Praying a Devatha Shiva.

Naan Mughan Thiruvandhaadhi Divya Prabhandham Thaniyan” which is originally taken from Srimad Bhagavatham, how Perumal starts Shristi and choses a JeevAthma for Brahma post and then that Brahma choses another JeevAthma for Shiva post and creation continues.

“நாராயணன் படைத்தான் நான்முகனை (Brahma), நான்முகனுக்கு என்றார் சிவன் (Brahma’s Son) பிறந்தான் என்றும் சொல்”.

 

 

3. Srimathe Bhagavatham 12.13.16 says Shiva Devatha (Shambhu) is a Great Devotee (Vaishnava) of Sriman NarayanA.

vaiṣṇavānāṁ yathā śambhuḥ

Shiva and Parvathi (Vaishnavaites) Praying Supreme BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan.

 

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Acharyar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam

Swami Ramanujan Yennai Aandananaey,

Chella Pillai Yathiraja Sampathkumar SriKrishna BhagavAn Ki Jai….

Sarvam SriKrishnarnam Asthu

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Asmad gurubhyo nama:
Srimathe ramanujaya nama:

Pranaamams to divya thiruvadi of velukkudi krishnan swami. Dheerka dhandam to all srivaishnava bhagawatothamas of this gosti.

Today is vaikasi-swathi auspicious day of Shri narashima jayanti. It’s great bhagyam for adiyen to commemorate prahalladazhwan (Normally called as bhakta prahalladan. In Srivaishnava sampradayam we use to call as prahalladazhwan). To the extent of adiyen’s understanding from swami upanuyasams and other srivaishnava upanyasams, adiyen feel happy to put some points. All the mistakes I’m going commit is because my agnyanam. So all bhagawatas please forgive and correct my mistakes.

Lucidity of srivaishnavam is evident in prahalladazhwan vaibhavam. I hope we all are aware of prahallada and narashimha charitram. Hiranyakashipu forced prahalladazhwan in many ways to accept him as supreme lord. But never prahalladazhwan accepted. Though hiranya had boon from brahma that none of creation brahma can kill him, he cannot be accepted as supreme lord. Because it is narayana who created(gave birth to) brahma. Only creation of brahma cannot kill him. But creator of brahahma sakshad sriman narayanan superior to brahma and all devatas, can keep end to hiranya.

Five year old prahalladazhwan clearly showed sarva vyapakatvam of sriman Narayanan (existence of sriman Narayanan in all entities). Nothing exist without Narayana sammandam. He is antarathma for everyone and every thing (aitad ätmayam idam sarvam).

( உளனெனிலுளன் அவனுருவம்இவ்வுருவுகள் *
உளனலனெனில் அவனருவம்இவ்வருவுகள் *
உளனெனவிலனென இவைகுணமுடைமையில் *
உளனிருதகைமையொடு ஒழிவிலன்பரந்தே.)

When everything is his shareeram, then everything has vishnu sammandam. It is an internal quality of a srivaishnavan to look and treat everything viz all human, living and non living entities as property of vishnu. So srivaishnava always be with mercy towards everything. He never thinks to do himsa or dwesham (like naasama poga) to anybody and anything.

Let us see two examples from swami KoorathAzhwan charitram.
1 – Once When swami was walking near kaveri, saw an old lady was trying tilift a big pot which is very hard to lift. Immediately swami rushed and helped her to lift and swami could not tolerate trouble of jivathma.
2 – When swami saw a banana tree being cutted and liquid flowing from it, imnediatly swami fainted. So a srivaishnava treat any trouble to perumal’s property as his own trouble.
So kindly avoid using words “few actions of so called sri vaishnavas who are just destroying our dharma by just showing severe dvesha towards ithara devatas of our dharma”

Coming back to prahalladazhwan, he never accepted his own father as paramathma. He never treated his father as or equal to narayana. But on the same hand he didn’t fail to give respect to his father as a son. He did dhandam to his father as a duty of a son as prescribed in shastra. He didn’t do dwesham to his father which is against shastras. So a srivaishnavan never going to accept other gods as prarabrahman. Never going to show devotion/love to other gods. On the same hand he is not going do dwesham or do any act which against shastras.

Example.
1- In sandyavandanam we do avahanam of other devatas.
2 – while doing yagam we do avahanam of brahma, chant mantra for agni ect. While chanting vedas other devatas are chanted in some places. Sandyavandanam or vedadyayanam are never rejected by srivaishnavas for reason that it includes devatantra in some places. we do it with clear knowledge that Narayanan is antaryami in that devata. Since sashtras prescribed those, we are doing these karmas. Since following sastram gives preethi to narayanan, we are doing it. No other purpose or benifit rest behind such karmas. Additionally these chant of other devatas are done only at the time of doing that karma (sandyavandanam or vedadyayanam) only for sake of bhagawat preethi. No special worship or aradhanam to other devatas other than specified karma (ie only while doing sandyavandanam he is going to do avahanam of gayatri, savithri and saraswsti devi. No other poojas or chanting or devotion seprately for gayatri or savithri or saraswsti)

Adiyen daasan
Vasudevan

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