Improperly diagnosed chronic physical issues and karmas

Updated on August 7, 2020 in General
59 on July 29, 2020

Resp Sri Velukkudi swamy,

Namaskaram.

I have been thinking of posting this query for sometime. I heard Enpani # 1813 on “Kesava perumanai pattrinal noi tholaiyum”. I thought this is the time to post.

A brief ::

Tamil philosophical songs instilled the interest in spirituality in my teens. I was worshiping only ParaBrahman whenever I went to any temple. I read Gita @ 25 years. Because of increase in craving towards spirituality, I prayed to the ParaBrahman “I am not praying for any material benefits, I do not know what I require, You give me whichever is the Best for me”.

Took up spiritual sadhanas (Meditation, cleaning of karmas through group meditation, surrender and constant remembrance) @ 32 years under an able Guru and continued for 14 years. I practiced dissociated association. Had few spiritual experiences. I felt my spiritual journey to be progressing.

I could not continue sadhana because of health issues. My mobility is badly affected for the past 17 years. It was (mis)diagnosed with bone infection and later (mis)diagnosed as bone inflammation. I struggled due to this, incurring huge medical expenses and also found difficult to carry out any physical work. At times I could not even walk 10 metres. I used to get relief (no cure) and then problem resurfaced – happened as several cycles. Took Voluntary retirement recently. Now it is told as muscle dysfunction. I am trying to improve my mobility through physiotherapy.

I am from a family worshiping Lord Narayanan. I re-started reading scriptures on Vaishnavism for about 2 years. I am 58+ years. Now I spend more time to listen to upanyasam. I have put Lord Narayanan in my heart and trying to remember Him. I have the feeling that Lord Narayanan is guiding me esp., in my spiritual journey.

My queries are:

1. Can cleaning of karmas by a Guru cause “improperly diagnosed chronic physical issues?”.

2. What can I do to overcome this physical issue apart from the medical treatment ? (Including on the basis of Enpani # 1813).

Sorry for mentioning many ‘I’ in the post. This is out of my habit and nothing else.

adiyen

 
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Namaskaram Swami

Devarir can obviously sincerely ask from Sri Hari of immediate and permanent cure with a firm and strong resolve in mind, of serving him and his Adiyars, as often it is said that, this body is made up of several Avyavas( Parts) which has its own significance for association with him, like,  Ears are provided to listen to his Divya Charitrams, Mouth is provided to speak, share and sing his glories, Tongue is provided to eat what is his prasadam, nose is provided to smell his Tulsi malai, Legs provided to walk towards his sanidhanam, hands are provided to get associated with Kainkaryams, on and on …… 

So, when any pain occurs do feel of doing kainkaryams to him and his Adiyars in any way possible, and one more important tip whenever a part of the Shareeram pains do say with faith and belief any DivyaDesam NAME, Pallandu- Pallandu Vazhuga, and believe Adiyen, it works.

Adiyen Dasan

on July 30, 2020

Ramanuja-ParaKalandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Thank you for the suggestions.

I have prayed to couple of divya desa Perumal. Got temporary relief. Now, I also specifically prayed to Lord Narayanan. Waiting for results. Thanks for reminding me about the use of five sense organs towards Him. I follow it partly.

This one

“one more important tip whenever a part of the Shareeram pains do say with faith and belief any DivyaDesam NAME, Pallandu- Pallandu Vazhuga”

is easy to follow. Shall consider.

Thanks again.

adiyen

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Took up spiritual sadhanas (Meditation, cleaning of karmas From pd_jayaram

Jayaram swamy, namaskaram.

I am curious to know about the process mentioned by you; particularly, I am eager to know about ‘cleansing of karmas’. Could you kindly explain and share some details.

So far based on what I know, when we submit ourself in Saranagathi to an acharya who comes in the succession of those anointed by Ramanujacharya, all our sanchita karma (the HUGE baggage of karma in our records which is not opened up in this life) gets removed. However the prarabdha karma (the small amount of our karmic reactions which have been already assigned to this life) still remains; we have to pass through this set of karma, and at the end of this life we will certainly go back to Vaikuntha. This is my current understanding. Therefore, I am curious to know about the process you have mentioned which can cleanse even the prarabdha karma. Kindly explain. Thank you.

adiyen dasan.

on July 30, 2020

Kambandasan,

Namaskaram.

The Guru or the teachers appointed by Guru transmits pranahuti to the spiritual aspirant. This is a yogic transmission. This is done during group meditation and by the teacher to the individual. Karmas get cleaned through this transmission. They take up chakras depending on the condition of the aspirant.

Surrender i.e., saranagati is part of the system. Constant remembrence enable the aspirant to advance further. It is stated that the aspirant if follow meticulously, can attain mukthi in this birth itself.

adiyen

on July 30, 2020

Kambandasan swamy

Thank you for the explanation Jayaram swamy. I was not aware of this system before. I presume this process is something along the line of the Yoga Rahasya from Nathamuni, which for reasons beyond our grasp was lost to SriVaishnavas ever since the time of Yamunacharya.

adiyen dasan. 

on July 30, 2020

Namaskaram Swami

Its very nice for a person to follow such things but for a saranagata, to reduce the remaining part of karmas, its not the duty of saranagata outrightly, it is of Bhagwan’s, But yes there are several ways to reduce it , i.e through doing Nitya Karma Anushtanam, Thiruvaradhanai, Yatra, Kalakshepams,  Bhagwat and Bhagwata Kainkaryam and many more, even apart from all this another way to reduce karma is 40 times Purusha Suktam  Parayanam with Nishtai  (One who recites, for him the Karmas reduces to a great extent ) do try, along with Namasankeertanam , and silently chanting “Srimate Ramanujaye Namah” every second, in initially it might feel difficult but when it is done with faith, it becomes easy,enthusiastic, with efficacy.

And as Devarir mentioned about Group Meditation, one thing to keep in mind, through Dhyanam certainly one gets connected to self and Bhagwan, but it should not be considered  as an upayam to attain Mukti, since it is the duty of Bhagwan, and if we try something on our own then Bhagwan’s Thiru-ulam will not like it.

Adiyen Dasan

on July 30, 2020

Ramanuja-ParaKalandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Thank you for your response.

Your statement

“not be considered as an upayam to attain Mukti, since it is the duty of Bhagwan”

It is not only group meditation, but saranagati, constant rememberence, service to guru and other aspirants etc., are part of the sadhanas. It is the Guru who takes along to the destination.

adiyen

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Jayaram swamy,

although I have not met you in person, I can feel that you are experiencing severe pain every day. Your inclination to devotional activities is helping you to ignore the pain to considerable extent; but there are times when you feel you will be able to apply yourself better in devotional service if this pain can be cured completely. I think that is the main motivation for you to post this question.

I don’t know the answer to your first questions: “1. Can cleaning of karmas by a Guru cause “improperly diagnosed chronic physical issues?”

But I think if we get a solution to your question 2. “What can I do to overcome this physical issue apart from the medical treatment?”, then we don’t even have to worry about question 1. right?

Considering the possibility that the physical issue could be because of some kind of an imbalance in one of your chakras, is it possible for you to consult an expert pranic healer or rekhi healer to check your chakras for imbalance and seek a method to set it right? Allopathic experts can not figure out such imbalances and no wonder they end up in mis-diagnosis.

Please make sure the person you consult is a genuine pranic healer / rekhi healer; if not that person could complicate the issue.

My sincere prayers to the Lord that your devotional service should keep on growing deeper and deeper. I seek your blessings, sir.

adiyen dasan.

on July 30, 2020

Kambandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

I thank you for your concern.

I would like to know the answer for my first question also.

I thought about Rekhi 6 months back, could not make it, since the healer did not respond. Your suggestion strengthened my view on Rekhi. I shall attempt.

I thank you for your wishes and pray to God for you the same thing.

For the reply to your last sentence: I do not know your age. I seek Him to shower His blessings to you. (Not from me)

adiyen

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5 on July 30, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Jayaram swamy, seems you have got the answer for question 2, since you have requested for q1 as well  , i will try to suggest what i think, but it is you who would have to see what is applicable to you and decide, as it is not appropriate for me to tell this is because of this..

When we learn and practice any process and if any thing undesirable happens, it can be form 3 possible sources..1. the source (person who is teaching or handing out something) 2. the process itself 3. How we apply to the process. Mistake can happen at any level.. and cannot be identified exactly.

But a devotee takes responsibility on himself usually out of humility. Even if it is due to reason 1 or 2, it is we who choose the source and process also.

So devotee applies “Theedum nandrum pirar thara vaara” (As i mentioned earlier we have to apply this to ourselves, it is not  correct for me to apply this for you).

Also misdiagnosis is very common in allopathy so that is not related to your previous practice.

But based on my experience, most spiritual processes do bring out our hidden karma – like mud in the bottom of glass with water being stirred.  But a qualified teacher knows at what rate it should be stirred and how it should be handled. The student must also strictly obey the teacher. But when there is one teacher for 1000’s of students it becomes challenging.

These are my own personal observations/ thoughts. So please take it with a pinch of salt and if something is  not appropriate please ignore. 

Dhanyosmi

Adiyen

 

 

 

on July 30, 2020

enpanifan swamy,

Your points are noted and well taken. Though I am suffering, I do not repent for my decision for taking up the sadhanas, since I took it willingly.

Thank you.

adiyen

on July 30, 2020

I would like to clarify that “But when there is one teacher for 1000’s of students it becomes challenging.” Statement is more relevant for a yogic stream which requires close supervision and may not be relevant for devotional or bhakthi margam.

Adiyen

on July 31, 2020

enpanifan swamy,

Noted. The system has teachers appointed by Guru. They take it up individually with the aspirant every week.

‘But based on my experience, most spiritual processes do bring out our hidden karma’

Can you elaborate, if you are willing.

adiyen

on July 31, 2020

Srimate Ramnujaye Namaha,

Jayaram swamy, My observation/understanding is (may be for not all souls) but for many..once when we start a spiritual process- essentially it means our past karma has to be flushed out so that they do not hinder our actions, speech and thought to move in right path. So it kind of gets stirred up.. not new karma, but old residues come up to surface. If we want to make this as our last life then all the karma that we have done in millions of births have to be exhausted.  (But in Saranagathi process, Velukkudi swami has explained that all the past sanchita karma is exhausted, but the prarabdha associated with the current body has to be spent). But I am not sure of other processes how they work.

This is what I meant.

Adiyen

 

 

on July 31, 2020

enpanifan swamy,

Thank you for the explanation.

adiyen

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Kambandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

By chance, do you have any reference of pranic healer or Rekhi practitioner. I will keep for future use. Request forward the the details, if you do not mistake.

adiyen

Jayaram swamy, namaskaram. 

I have heard from two friends their personal experience on the effectiveness of this method of therapy; that is how I got faith in these systems. But I do not know any such practitioner myself.

I hope one of the members of this forum may kindly share some information on this.

Thank you.

adiyen dasan.

on July 31, 2020

Kambandasan swamy,

Thanks for the details.

adiyen

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8 on July 31, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Swamy,
Where should adiyen go to clean my karmAs Swamy?

“cleaning of karmas through group meditation”

@Pd_jayaram
Swamy,
“Guru transmits pranahuti”?

How will Guru survive after giving his prANan swamy?

Avar vaazha vendAmA?
Whose prANan he gives as ahuti?

Why should he give while prANan is already there for you?

Are you discussing about prANa shakthi or something?

Is it something like prANa prathistA during bAlAlayam?

@Kambandasan Swamy
Enna voi posukkunu ipdi solliteer?
“Yoga Rahasya from Nathamuni”

“lost to SriVaishnavas”
Can’t we flip the pages of YogA book by Sriman NAthamunigal? How can we forget?

Let me try in Amazon, or Google book store

Sharanagathi ngra
Then they say
Constant Remembrance

If I get amnesia perumal will leave me is it?

Adiyen keli seiyala are these prescribed to a SriVaishnava?

If yes,
How come we are not practicing? Why is it not preached?

Dasanudasan

@Kambandasan Swamy
Enna voi posukkunu ipdi solliteer? “Yoga Rahasya from Nathamuni” “lost to SriVaishnavas” Can’t we flip the pages of YogA book by Sriman NAthamunigal? How can we forget? Let me try in Amazon, or Google book storeFrom vikraminside

நீர் என்னதான் தலைகீழ நின்னாலும் கிடைக்காது. இந்த வழி / பயிற்சி ஸ்ரீவைஷ்ணவர்களுக்கு தேவையில்லை என்பதால்தான் ஆளவந்தாரே அதை பெற்று கொள்ளாதபடி அமைந்தது. ஆளவந்தாரே பெறவில்லை என்றால் உங்கள் கூகுல்-மாமா எங்கிருந்து கொண்டு வருவார்?

Jayaram swamy had engaged in that practise through some other school of practitioners in a line other than SriVaishnavism. We do not know anything about it; so it is not appropriate to raise questions about it.

Instead of raising endless questions about the other process, at the very least you can give this much credit to that process that it has somehow or other brought Jayaram swamy to deeper quest in SriVaishnavism – brought him to Ramanujacharya’s shelter under the guidance of our Swamy! Isn’t that great!! Instead of rejoicing this, to keep on piling endless questions is not going to lead to any positive discussion, I believe.

Yes, Saranagathi is indeed the simplest and most ideal especially for people of kali yuga. We are fortunate to receive this shelter from our acharyas.

Kindly forgive me if my words have hurt you.

adiyen dasan

 

on August 2, 2020

Kambandasan swamy,

Namaskaram.

Your statement ::

“somehow or other brought Jayaram swamy to deeper quest in SriVaishnavism – brought him to Ramanujacharya’s shelter under the guidance of our Swamy”

I thought it would be appropriate to mention few points.

As I mentioned, I prayed for guidance. The incident which introduced me to meditation, makes me to strongly believe that my prayer is replied. I discontinued due to physical issues, otherwise I would have continued. I do not know His plans, whether He wanted me to undergo effect of karmas, since the load of karmas is more. I can feel my sub consciousness still keep uttering / remembering my Guru even after giving up the sadhanas more than 13 years back.

I am from a family worshiping Lord Narayanan. Hence, I wanted to fall back in that line, in case of discontinuing. My grand mother had Chanka & Chakra. I am not really sure whether she was initiated to Pancha karmas with five steps. I understand, she gave up certain practices because of family condition. She adviced me to take up this in 1990’s. But, I had different thought. Some of our relatives did take Pancha karmas. Hence, I hope the phylosophy of Vaishnavism is not new for us.

I used to go to temples very frequently and worship the Brahmam in idols. I am not attracted by the ‘alankarams’ to the deity. I also feel comfortable to worship Him at my heart and trying to remember Him.

I read the texts of Gita, Bhagavatam (glanced ?) etc., earlier. I purchased “Nalayira Divya prabandham” and have some texts on Brahma Sutra. I am yet to complete them. I am left with lesser time. It will take long time to get in depth details. Hence, my intention is to read or glance to get the details of my interest. I am searching, reading and listening to spiritual information including Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s upanyasams.

I am yet to decide about my plan on further spiritual journey. I have put Lord Narayanan in my heart and trying to remember Him. If I can make it a constant remembrance, I think it will be highly beneficial. Taking Pancha karmas requires certain things to be strictly followed. I may not suit to practice that process. I am a man with imperfections.

I observed this forum to have mixture of Bhaktas of various Acharyas.

I hope Lord Narayanan will guide me further in my spiritual journey.

adiyen

on August 2, 2020

vikraminside swamy,

“Muyarchi thiruvinaiyakkum”

adiyen

Pd_jayaram swamy

“Taking Pancha karmas requires certain things to be strictly followed. I may not suit to practice that process. I am a man with imperfections.”

We all have imperfections swami that’s why we go to perumal and lay it all in his lotus feet , adiyen believe if swamy does prapatti rest our perumal takes care let it be imperfections or perfections

Trust adiyen was the worst and awful never could be saved neesan type but sri perumal gave anugraham to this disgusting neesan why won’t he give shelter to you and make you closer to him gradually.

Adiyen will pray perumal tat he gives yu maha visvasam for doing prapatti soon.

Please get ramanujarya sampandham asap especially given your age and circumstance.

Adiyen ramanuja dasan

Please get bharanyasam asap asap
Please swamy

Adiyen humble request

If perumal’s sotthu is going back to him he will be very happy

Please do it asap without wasting time

Iam half as your age and I want to join perumal asap swamy even if he takes me now im ready

Adiyen will hope and pray perumal gives you maha visvasam

Another janma or taking chance is vyartham swamy

Jayaram Swamy,

namaskaram. My respect for your is growing deeper with every post! Thank you for sharing with us about your journey so far.

Let me please respond to some of the points you have mentioned:

i) Remembering your Guru in the yoga process is very natural for any grateful person! Most of us would immediately stand up if we see even our LKG teacher now, then what to speak of some one who has guided us in the yoga process.

 

ii) It appears to me that your patti suggesting to you to receive panca-samskaram is also a divine response to your constant prayer for guidance. And this memory coming again now in our discussion, I think this is also a divine response to your prayers. You kindly look within and see if this is true or not.

 

iii)

 I read the texts of Gita, Bhagavatam (glanced ?) etc., earlier. I purchased “Nalayira Divya prabandham” and have some texts on Brahma Sutra. I am yet to complete them. I am left with lesser time. It will take long time to get in depth details.From pd_jayaram

Please continue these engagements. Hearing from acharyas, and studying based on what we hear is prescribed for all of us. In your retired life you have all the time to do this; and you are one of the rare persons I know who is using the retired life properly for the purpose it is meant for. It is an inspiration for people like myself; sooner or later we too will reach that age and your example is very important for us.

When you study scriptures don’t worry about not understanding the deeper meanings etc. I am sure you too have heard and relished Kannadasan’s song “கோகுலத்தில் பசுக்கள் எல்லாம் கோபாலன் பெயரை சொல்லி…”. “அட படிப்பில்லாத ஆட்கள் கூட பாதத்திலே போய் விழுந்தால் வேதத்துக்கே பொருள் விளங்குது ராமா ஹரி”. Let us simply go and fall flat at His feet in full saranagathi! 🙂

 

(iv)

I may not suit to practice that process. I am a man with imperfections.From pd_jayaram

This is a beautiful statement by you. Because, the saranagathi process is not for someone who thinks he has attained perfection. It is especially meant for those who have realised “I am full of imperfections and I can not give up these imperfections by my own effort. Saranagathi is my only recourse”. So, you are indeed the perfect person for Saranagathi / Panca samskara. My humble suggestion to you is, if you know the lineage from whom your patti received panca samskaram, please approach the current acharyar in that lineage, express to him your interest and the reasons that make you hesistant. He will guide you accordingly. If he says ‘you wait for some time’ that is okay; but you yourself do not avoid because of some concerns. The acharyar will consider all aspects and guide you accordingly.

adiyen dasan.

on August 6, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

@Kambabdasanswamy
நீர் என்னதான் தலைகீழ நின்னாலும் கிடைக்காது. இந்த வழி / பயிற்சி ஸ்ரீவைஷ்ணவர்களுக்கு தேவையில்லை என்பதால்தான் ஆளவந்தாரே அதை பெற்று கொள்ளாதபடி அமைந்தது. ஆளவந்தாரே பெறவில்லை என்றால் உங்கள் கூகுல்-மாமா எங்கிருந்து கொண்டு வருவார்

Pinna eppadi prAnic healer available Swamy?

Dasanudasan

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Adiyen

Swami great discussion

If Vikram swamy has once decided to harass or involve in bhagavata apacharam he never hesitates or shy in raising millions of frustrating questions even though he does not care about any answers given to those questions ,that should have been already visible in this forum by now from all the past posts ,we are already used to his swabavam swamy.<br /

Adiyen

or he posts random indirect threads harassing or insinuating other bhagavathas ,this should have been already
visible in this forum by now from all the past ,we are already used to his swabavam swamy.

Excluding Unnecessary Vikram swamy behaviors who loves and addicted to bhagavata apacharam, this thread has been useful and insightful.

Adiyen

on August 3, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha

@Udayavar Swamy we both are doing bhAgavatha apachAram immensely. Contaminating this forum. Neither you will go to moksham nor Adiyen will go to moksham. So don’t have that dream, we are staying here! Oru BhAgavathana apachAram pannitu easya moksham poidalAm nu nenaikaadhel nadakkAdhu. Same applies to me I cannot go to moksham by insulting you.

Note: Adiyen BhAgavathan kidaiyAdhu enbadhu vera vishayam 😊

Also adiyen not posting questions just for the sake of asking and keeping the forum alive. Forum is not alive because of me neither I am the doer.

My questions are Original and has Content. LKG will not understand PhD.

Pd_jayaram Swamy,

Agreed Swamy your guru bhakthi will take you to heights no doubts. Thats why devareer stumbled upon dharma sandeha. My father used to say a story

A sishya was dumb incompetent. Guru did not teach him anything. Sishya kept pestering him for nyAnam & mantra upadesham.

Guru got upset & said “இங்கிருந்து அங்க போ, அங்கிருந்து இங்க வா”

Sishya took this as mantram and went into penance. One day it got fulfilled. He saw a stone & said

இங்கிருந்து அங்க போ
Stone went from here to there

அங்கிருந்து இங்க வா
Stone came back to yathA sthAnam

Sishya came back running and said

Guruji Guruji Mantram worked! Guru confused !

What mantram?
Sishya: இங்கிருந்து அங்க போ
Guru himself was transported from here to there

Sishya: அங்கிருந்து இங்க வா
Guru came from there to here

So your Guru bhakthi will take you to greater heights. POWER OF GURU BHAKTHI

Swamy,
I was going to AmbAl temple in childhood, after samAshrayaNam & bharaNyAsam left devathAnthrams.

So we have come to right spots.

Please avoid all other mArgams for moksham and zero in on sharanAgathi.

Complete self surrenderer. So even if you do punniyam or any other sAdhanam it is Sriman NArAyaNa samarpanam.

There are no take aways.

அப்போது எம்பெருமானுக்கெல்லாம் பூவும் பூசையும் தகுமே” (2. 2, 3) என்றதன் வியாக்கியானத்தைக் கேட்ட போதே கையிலிருந்த பூப்படலிகையையும் உருத்திராக்கச் சின்னங் களையும் வீசி யெறிந்து தகாது, தகாது” என்று நம்பி திருவடிகளில் அடைவுகெட விழ, நம்பியும் அவரைப் போரக் கடாட்சித்து திருத்திப் பணி கொண்டார்.

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அவர் மந்திர தேவதை வைத்து தன் குருவிற்கு பல்லக்கு எழுந்து அருள பண்ணியவர்!!! 😲

அவர் ஆசார்யன் மந்திர தந்திரம் எதுவும் வேண்டாம் ஸ்ரீமன் நாராயணனை சரண் அடைந்த பின் இது தேவை இல்லை என்று சாதித்து ஆயிற்று

என்னால் முயன்றதை சொல்லிவிட்டேன்

Note:
அடியேன் எரிச்சல் ஊட்டுபவன்
என் சுபாவம் மாற போவதில்லை

பராசர பட்டர் கை பிடி மண் என்று சொன்னால் இந்த உலகம் பாராட்டும்

அதையே அடியேன் சொன்னால்

எரிச்சல் ஊட்டும் சுபாவம் என்று இந்த உலகம் சொல்லும்

Creativity க்கு மதிப்பு கிடையாது

கேட்டால் சுவ கல்பிதம் என்று சொல்லும்

கண்ணனை விட ராமனே பெற்றோருக்கு அடி பணிய கூடியவன் என்று அடியேன் பிரமாணதுடன் எடுத்து உரைத்தேன்

அதை அடியேன் சொன்னதால்

“நீ என்ன பட்டரை விட அறிவாளியா ?”
என்று கேட்க மட்டுமே இந்த உலகத்திற்கு தெரியும்

பெரியோர்களிடம் நமக்கென்ன போட்டியா?

எனக்குள் அந்தர்யாமியாக இருந்து ஸ்ரீபதி சொன்னான்

பட்டருக்கு அது அனுகிரகம் என்றால்
இது என் ஆசார்யன் எனக்கு குடுத்த அனுகிரகம்

இதை குறை சொல்ல யாருக்கு அதிகாரம் இருக்கிறது?

என் குரு விற்க்கு ஒரு வேண்டுகோள்:
தடுத்து ஆட்கொள்ள வேண்டும்
திருத்தி பணி கொள்ள வேண்டும்

பிரமாணம் காட்டி விலகி விட கூடாது

பூவும் பூசையும் தகுமே

என்று சொல்லாமல் சுபாவம் என்று விட்டு விட்டால் என்ன ஆயிருக்கும்?

கேட்பார் பேச்சை கேட்க தான் செய்வார்கள்

சுவாமி தான் திருத்த வேண்டும்

இந்த தர்ம சந்தேகத்திற்கு அடியேன் அருகதை கிடையாது என்பதை உணர்ந்து கொண்டேன்

மற்றவர்கள் எரிச்சல் அடைய அடியேன் காரணமாக இருக்க விரும்ப வில்லை

Srimathe NArAyaNaya Nama:
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri Velukkudi Varadachariyar Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri Velukkudi Ranganathan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Daasaanudaasan

பராசர பட்டர் கை பிடி மண் என்று சொன்னால் இந்த உலகம் பாராட்டும்
அதையே அடியேன் சொன்னால் எரிச்சல் ஊட்டும் சுபாவம் என்று இந்த உலகம் சொல்லும்From vikraminside

உண்மை! பராஸர பட்டரை பார்க்கும் போதும், இன்றும் அவர் திருவடிவில் இருந்து நமக்கு கண்கண்ட பட்டராக திகழும் நம் வேளுக்குடி ஸ்வாமியை பார்க்கும் போதும் இந்த உலகம் அவர்களை போற்றி மதிக்கிறது. This is because over time they have well established themselves as someone who is absolutely fixed on the teachings of poorvacharyas. They have established themselves as someone who is well learned in the sastrams; they have established their strict adherence in sastram in every walk of their life. Their actions are in line with their words. When I think about them I reminded of one sloka from Raghuvamsa mahakavyam:

त्यागाय संभृतार्थानां सत्याय मितभाषिणाम्
यशसे विजिगीषूणां प्रजायै गृहमेधिनाम्॥ १-७

tyāgāya saṁbhṛtārthānāṁ satyāya mitabhāṣiṇām |
yaśase vijigīṣūṇāṁ prajāyai gṛhamedhinām || 1-7

To uphold truth, they (the kings of Raghuvamsa) were very reserved (reticent) in their speech. This quality applies to our swamy also, and by extrapolation I think it applies to Bhattar also – their speech is very measured. They speak only when it is required to speak; they do not speak when it is not required to speak. When they speak they say only what is the correct to be said and they are careful to not say anything inappropriate. They are very careful that their speech only serves to inspire others to become closer to Perumal and they are very careful that their speech does not push others away from Perumal in any way. 

Because of such elevated qualities and the tejas associated with that, people are naturally inspired by the Antaryami within to offer such appreciation and respect to them.

In my case, I have not established myself as a learned person. I have not established myself as someone who failthfully follows poorvacharyas in every walk of life, as one who strictly adheres to sastram. My speech runs ahead of my restless mind. Neither am I able to carefully evaluate what is essential speech and what is appropriate speech, nor am I able to control my urge to speak. Many times I tend to speak on topics which I really don’t practise in my life consistently – my actions are not in line with my speech. As a result, the Antaryami in people’s heart do not inspire them to give me even a fraction of respect they offer personalities like Bhattar.

So, if I feel upset that people do not respect me for my creativity, I simply have to blame the Antaryami.

Let me focus on cultivating the qualities that make the great personalities great – beginning with my speech, and all my actions always in line with my speech. The rest is upto acharyan anugraham.

adiyen dasan.

on August 3, 2020

vikraminside swamy,

I do not understand what you meant by this.

“இந்த தர்ம சந்தேகத்திற்கு அடியேன் அருகதை கிடையாது என்பதை உணர்ந்து கொண்டேன்

மற்றவர்கள் எரிச்சல் அடைய அடியேன் காரணமாக இருக்க விரும்ப வில்லை”

You have correctly stated that

“சுவாமி தான் திருத்த வேண்டும்”

If we want change, we have to put effort. Swamy will only guide. We should develop the sensitivity. We can not expect swamy to change us physically. If we want really a change and if we can not do it on our own, we have to pray. I think, I don’t need to tell you. You are a much developed bhaktha. You know these things much better. These are testing for the bhaktas. We have to face them rather than running away.

I have taken liberty of my age and has suggested.

I want to remind a phrase, “Mattram onre maradhadhu”.

Regardless of what you have meant by your post, I would like to see your response.

adiyen

on August 4, 2020

Namaskaram.

Is Enpani audio #1825 (in)directly relevant here?. Is this the answer?.

adiyen

VikramInside swamy
It’s alright that we are all on a learning curve.
Don’t be hard on yourself rather let’s focus on future or present actions.
Nothing is lost.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan
Acharya thiruvadigale thanjam

Let adiyen be LKG no problem, but adiyen has confidence iam not staying here from acharyas words plus anugraham and adiyen will take off to moksha this jenma because adiyen tried to prevent you from further apacharam but adiyen have to be patient and tolerant as Acharya Swamy and Bhagavathas hitham , i understood its not possible to change anyone rather we can change ourselves the way we react since all the upanyasams kalakshepams that adiyen was made to do for a decade by sri hari and acharya will not go into waste.

on August 6, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

@udayavar
Adiyen never hesitate to debate if required. My point was to raise concern of Srivaishnavas not falling into trap.

If you cannot understand my point that’s not my mistake.

Also i cannot find answers to my honest questions.

What is prAna Ahuti? Looks like devareer knows everything. Thats the problem

Udayavar Swamy is resorting to individual criticisms & moral policing. He cleverly takes a stance by grouping BhAgavathas & isolating a BhAgavatha for which he will suffer. I have no hesitation to state this because others should see Udayavar BhAgavatha’s behaviour & learn not to commit individual ApachAram

@Moderators
Could moderators let adiyen know on what grounds my post was deleted? If you don’t want me I will leave Dharma Sandeha. You should let adiyen know before taking action on my post then do your job. Just because 4 people complain you cannot take any action.

When Galileo said Earth 🌎 is round entire community opposed him. It doesn’t mean he is wrong.

Talk about the concept or logic not about the individual.
Even Velukkudi Swamy will agree with me.

Have I ever said anything wrong about udayavar swamy? If you have doubts aske me why I said certain things. Not resort to criticisms in open forum.

I never pointed out any individual except in this special case where udayavar Swamy is constantly harrassing adiyen in multiple threads.which will give a plbad precedence

Then tomorrow anyone cay say anything about someone and form a group to oppose an individual. Moderators will quietly delete the post.

Idha vida oru BhAgavatha ApachAram undaa?

Unless udayavar Swamy really practices NAICHYANUSANDHANAM I will not forgive that Swamy.

What’s wrong in asking why Naathamuni Swamy’s yoga Sutram not available? Then how come its available to others? Who are those half baked PrAnic healers cheating SriVaishnavas? Are they Vedic practitioners?

Nowadays all learn yoga like this via book or youtube or fall into traps of new age yogis

Art of living
Isha Kriya
Blah blah…

All iyengars are saying “Om nama shivaya” .
Is it acceptable?

Ava enna mantram soldra nu ungalukku theriyuma?

I feel peaceful, i resonate silence, i talk to leaf, i talk to flowers nu soldra

But social media la sanda podra. Idhu unmaiyana yogama sollungo swamigaley including udayavar swamy!

Nyayatha eduthu sonna thappa?

Dasanudasan

on August 6, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen don’t know to talk sweet words like Kambandasan Swamy neither have authoritative voice and yet say “adiyen” like udayavar Swamy.

Unmai kasakkum. Medicine will be bitter.

By the way in which post adiyen did individual ApachAram @udayavar swamy please be specific.

Adiyen answered that college going student the other day. Being younger in age periyava nu madhippu illama thavara pesinAn. I educated him.

Adiyen talk TRUTH no need to be afraid to anyone.

Adiyen will answer each & everyone.

TODAY PRANIC HEALERS ARE NOT NATHAMUNIS

If I said anything wrong let NATHAMUNI SWAMY PUNISH ME

@Udayavar Swamy unga manasa kashta paduthinathukku kshamikkavum.

Adiyen forgave you.

Uinthu pongal
God bless you
NArAyaNa

Dasanudasan

on August 6, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen will ask a straightforward question

Is it because “SriVaishnavites lost belief in their system so they opt for Pranic healing, Isha Kriya, Art of living etc”?

@Kambandasan Swamy
Devareer can answer in your style

Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy adiyen directly asking you, you can answer in Dharma Sandeha if devareer think its relevant.

Dasanudasan

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Namaskaram.

Udayavar swamy,

Thank you for your concern and your prayer for me.

Kambandasan swamy,

“Kannadasan’s song” – Yes. I completely agree. We already discussed about my interest of comparison of songs with spiritual details. I saw a thread wherein KongilPiratti swamy also posted on songs. I read texts, get the essence and do not go any further except for any clarification.

1. I have open mind towards my path. I am trying to get details of ’15 methods for Ramanuja sambandham’. I posted this thread,

‘https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/ramanujar-sambhandham/ ‘

KongilPiratti swamy quoted from 2017 KKT CALENDER CD “Ramanuja Vaibhavam”.

“That there are “15 methods” by which ANYONE can get “Acharya Ramanujar Sambhandham” …………………… SUPREME gives us Moksham ‘Sri Vaikunta Prapatti” in same BIrth”

He mentioned methods 2 to 15 for those who are not able to do pancha samskaras. He listed only methods 2 to 6 and not listed the methods 7 to 15. I posted seeking for these details. Received responses. But could not get the details on 7 to 15. I will be happy, if I can get the details.

2. I have a long time query. Is Sriman Narayanan abode of Vaikuntam is referred as Para Brahmam in Vedas and Upanishads?.

I am asking not because of any doubt, but to know what is stated in our most sacred text on ParaBrahmam. I posted this thread.

‘https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/para-brahmam/ ‘

I got the responses in the thread. The references quoted in the responses are not from the one I sought. My search has yielded a negative answer. But I may be wrong. Hence, I am putting it again here. Can anyone provide answer.

adiyen

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Dear Jayaram swamy,

yes I had seen your earlier questions; but I do not know the answers and hence I had remained silent.

adiyen dasan.

on August 3, 2020

Kambandasan swamy,

It is ok. Thank you.

adiyen

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Jayaram Swamy

Adiyen also prays that perumal gives you
unshakeable confidence that he is paramatma because that moment of realization definitely needs only his and acharya anugraham and cannot be forced or hinted.

Adiyen has personal experience when i tried to hint my childhood friend of 3 decades bond for almost 5 years that paramathma is sri hari but still could not convince him.

Since everything depends on time and individual jeevathma’s hunger for moksha and real truth and nerukethuka krupa of sri hari and acharyas.

on August 3, 2020

Udayavar swamy,

Thank you for the prayer.

I am not suspecting about Perumal or paramatma. I am only trying to see whether it is mentioned in those scriptures. I understand several God’s and Demi gods are mentioned in them, then why not Sriman Narayanan?.

Practice will go on and the process of getting clarification will proceed simultaneously.

adiyen

on August 6, 2020

Swamy,
Jayaram Swamy
AntharyAmi Sriman NArAyaNa
Sarva Deva NamaskAra: Kesavam Prathi Gacchathi

Dasanudasan

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