How Vedas are Apourusheyam(not created by anyone)?

Updated on January 31, 2020 in Holy Books
10 on August 15, 2016

Namaskaram Swami.

In one of your discourses you mentioned that Vedas are Apourusheyam(not created by anyone). How come a thing can exist without a creator? How come Vedas got created by itself? Please advice.

Adiyen.

 

 
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They were not created, instead existed. It is quite natural as we accept Bhagavan as ever existing and not created.

on March 31, 2017

Dhanyosmi Swami
Existence huge term
@manojscen Swami thanks for the question
Dasanudasan

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0 on September 3, 2016

Thanks.

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1 on January 29, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami’s,

In addition to Sri Velukkudi Swami’s above post, Swami has graced in detail in Enpani #1634 as well.

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Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

ElayaAlwar Swamy, adiyens koti namaskaram. Adiyen has been seeing that devareer always point out the exact en pani links for most of the questions, even when it is asked some years ago, like in this thread. Such an excellent kainkaryam Swamy ?? This is indeed very very helpful for bhaktas.
Adiyen also wonder how Devareer remembers conversation from years ago and reply now when there are adequate references from our Swamy. Devareerukku Pallandu ??
Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swamy Gurave Namah
Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan ??

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1 on January 30, 2020

 

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Ragesh Swami,

Regarding devareer’s query “Adiyen also wonder how Devareer remembers conversation from years ago and reply now when there are adequate references from our Swamy”,

Basically, adiyen also have same doubht as devareer, but the answer that adiyen will share as below is also related to Dharma Sandeha.

Like how Sri Velukkudi Swami has blessed us in today’s Enpani #1635 that “Everyone Gets Moksham” by using 7 Questions but One answer, same way adiyen would like to Crisscross Swami’s pattern, by providing 7 Answers for One question of devareer.

  1. Satvik Answer (Pure Goodness mindset),
  2. Rajasik Answer (Pure Pride mindset),
  3. Tamasik Answer (Pure Lazy/Drowsy mindset),
  4. Satvik-Rajasik Sandhi answer,
  5. Satvik-Tamasik Sandhi answer,
  6. Satvik-Rajasik-Tamasik Sandhi answer,
  7. Rajasik-Tamasik Sandhi answer,

 

Adiyen & Devareer preference is Type 1) Satvik Answer since adiyen & devareer is a Sharanagathan & has same thoughts. Remaining 6 type’s of answers are for those readers who have attraction towards these type of answers, since this is a public forum and different devotees may have different tastes.

 

‘1) Satvik Answer

Guru Bhakthi & Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam” is a short sentence but with In-Depth High Intensity effect. Detailed explanations of Guru Bhakthi has been provided in the dharma sandeha forum link in Nayagi Bhavam by Kongil Piratti Swami as type A1,A2,B1,B2,B3,B4,C1,C2,D1 methods for Memory increase, Gyanam, Kainkaryam and Moksham.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/how-to-increase-memory-power-for-spiritual-progress-adiyens-notes-from-swamis-audios/

 

‘2) Rajasik Answer

Yellam namma pughazh dhaan. Nammala adichikiradhuthukku inga aalaey kidayaadhu. Thani kaattu raja naan.

எல்லாம் நம்ம புகழ் தான். நம்மள அடிச்சிக்கிறதுக்கு இங்க ஆளே கிடையாது . தனி காட்டு ராஜா நான்.

All credits to me. There is no one to challenge my knowledge. I’m the only King of the Jungle.

 

‘3) Tamasik Answer

Theriyalaeypa. Yedho nyapagatthula ulladha yezhudhinaen. Aanaal ippo marandhu pochu enna yezhudhinaenu.

தெரியலேயப்பா. ஏதோ ஞாபகத்துல உள்ளத எழுதினேன். ஆனால் இப்போ மறந்து போச்சு என்ன எழுதினேன்னு

I don’t know man. I don’t remember now, how I wrote and what I wrote. I forgot what I wrote.

 

‘4) Satvik-Rajasik Sandhi answer

Yellam yennudaya Guru Mahimai dhaan. Aanalum avarukku yella vishayamum theriyadhu. Naan Guruvukke solli kudukka vaendi irukku.

எல்லாம் என்னுடைய குரு மஹிமை தான். ஆனாலும் அவருக்கு எல்லா விஷயமும் தெரியாது. நான் குருவுக்கே சொல்லி குடுக்க வேண்டி இருக்கு.

All because of my Guru, but he doesn’t know all spiritual details. So I have to tell me some details.

 

‘5) Satvik-Tamasik Sandhi answer

Yellam yennudaya Guru Mahimai dhaan. Aanalum yenakku onnum nyapagam illai. Yeppa guru anugraham muzhusa pannuvaarnnu theriyala.

எல்லாம் என்னுடைய குரு மஹிமை தான். ஆனாலும் எனக்கு ஒன்னும் ஞாபகம் இல்லை. எப்ப குரு அனுக்கிரஹம் முழுசா பண்ணுவார்ன்னு தெரியல.

All because of my Guru, but for some reason I don’t remember everything. I’m not sure when Guru will bless me 100%.

 

‘6) Satvik-Rajasik-Tamasik Sandhi answer

Yellam yennudaya Guru Mahimai dhaan. Aanalum avarukku naan sollikudukka vendi irukku. Avarukku yella vishayamum theriyadhu . Appadi irundhum yenakku yellam nyapagam illai. Yennomo ponga onnum puriyala. Aanaalum naan dhaan Thani kaattu raja.

எல்லாம் என்னுடைய குரு மஹிமை தான். ஆனாலும் அவருக்கு நான் சொல்லிகுடுக்க வேண்டி இருக்கு. அவருக்கு எல்லா விஷயமும் தெரியாது. அப்படி இருந்தும் எனக்கு எல்லாம் ஞாபகம் இல்லை. என்னோமோ போங்க ஒன்னும் புரியல. ஆனாலும் நான் தான் தனி காட்டு ராஜா.

All because of my Guru, but for some reason He doesn’t know all spiritual details. So I have to tell me some details. Still, I don’t remember everything. I’m not sure what to do, but still I’m the King of the Jungle.

 

‘7) Rajasik-Tamasik Sandhi answer

Yellam namma pughazh dhaan. Nammala adichikiradhuthukku inga aalaey kidayaadhu. Thani kaattu raja naan. Aanaalum yenakku Bhayama irukku therinjadhu nyapakam illenna?

எல்லாம் நம்ம புகழ் தான். நம்மள அடிச்சிக்கிறதுக்கு இங்க ஆளே கிடையாது . தனி காட்டு ராஜா நான். ஆனாலும் எனக்கு பயமா இருக்கு தெரிஞ்சுது ஞாபகம் இல்லேன்னா

All credits to me. There is no one to challenge my knowledge. But still I’m afraid, what will people think about me, if I don’t remember what I know. Still I’m the only King of the Jungle.

 

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As initially said,

Type 1) Satvik Answer is any Sharanagathan’s (adiyens’ or devareer’s) preference. Remaining 6 type’s of answers are for those readers who have attraction towards these type of answers due to their habits, since this is a public forum and different devotees may have different tastes.

However people in type4,5,6 are also OK, since there is some room for improvement by reducing the Rajasik/Tamaisk to bring up the Satvik mixed in it, but type2,3&7 are not advisable for spiritual upliftment.

 

Adiyen believe, these answers turned devareer’s query as appropriate for dharma sandeha forum.

 

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan.

Adiyaargal ThiruvAdigalukku Pallandu.

Sri Velukkudi Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

Acharyan ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

 

on January 30, 2020

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Adiyen manasikamaga devareerai vanangugiraen ??
Acharyar Thiruvadigaley Charanam
Sri Velukkudi Swamy Gurave Namah

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1 on January 31, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Adiyen Charamavathi Dasan Ragesh Swami ?.
Sarvam KKC Sholinghur DhoddayAcharyar-VedanthAcharyAr-KuramaSingarcharyar-Velukkudi Swamigal ThiruvAdiyil Samarpanam.

Another interesting incident happened to adiyen after the above post.

Adiyen was just doing the above Type 1) B4 method as Kongil Swami mentioned, and immediately Sri Velukkudi Swami informed Adiyen by Manasikam around Indian time 12:01am midnight that the above 7 seven are termed as “Sapta Guna Varnana“.

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Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan,
Sri Velukkudi Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,
Acharyan ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam.

Adiyen adiyenukku adiyen ??
Danyosmi Swamy, for sharing this ??
Due to devareer’s association, adiyen is also getting uplifted ? ??
Devareerukkum anaithu Bhagavatargalukkum Pallandu Pallandu ?? ?‍♂️

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Charanam

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

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