Namaskaaram Swamy,
How many exceptions are there to the over -arching rule of cause and effect from the angle of Karma.
To list a few:
1. From husband to wife, there is some transfer but not the reverse.
2. Kings get a part from his citizens.
3. A receiver gets a part from a Donor.
4. From Ancestors to the lineage down (not sure, though some people do say so).
5. Bhagawan himself hands over left over little karmas of a prospective mukthathma at final end stage, to those associated with that prospective mukthatma.
6. Bhagiratha’s story says ancestors attained Mukti due to his prayatnam-cause and effect overruled!!!
7. “Yamar keizhmael ezhupirapum…”: those associated with a pure Bhaktha are destined to attain Mukthi.
So, it looks exceptions exists. Kindly answer: Are there some more? And whether above are all valid exceptions?
Kindly excuse for any mistakes.
Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thriruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Terrific question Swamy.
Adiyen understand from Swamy’s upanyasam is that effect of Karma “PuNya/PApA” gets transferred and not the Karma itself.
Sri U. Ve. Dr. Venkatesh UpanyAsakar Swamy refers Sri Ramanuja has quoted Karma phalan itself as Karma in Sri Bashyam.
In an EnPaNi audio Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy said “There is no group Karma” concept. Karma is always individual but collective individual Karma can become a group effect.
Example: Global warming. Pollution.”
In Swamy’s own words.
Therefore, Adiyen’s conclusion, Our Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy ‘s words has more logic than Dr. Venkatesh Swamy because Karma is Athma’s own property.
The return on investment is Karma Phalan which is described in sacred texts as transferrable.
For example, if we are happy today
Then
Some grandchild of our previous birth could have done
AmavAsya tarpanam properly.
Learned, please correct me if otherwise.
Dasanudasan
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Namaskaaram Vikram Swamy,
Thanks for replying and sharing your key insights.
(In practice we do say, karmangalai tholaivittu, mukthi adaidhal).
Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Yes, that’s for a sharanAgathan becoming mukthArhmA. Adiyen also understood that the sins are transferred to enemies and punya Karma transferred to respective lineage & good souls accordingly
That’s the exception factor breaking the Birth Death cycle.
Adiyen tell one more incident where Thenbirai Andavan swamy transferred tremor to towel (thundu).
“Hey Prarabdhamey Anga po”
These are miracles because it can be done only by mahAns who realised body different from soul
After Perumal Kainkaryam took it back.
Swamy seems to have explained:
“One has to undergo own Karma”
Lastly, Perumal can do anything in my opinion therefore transferring of Karma is un questionable as he has SwAthamthriyam (Nirankusha Swathanthran)
Dasanudasan
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