Doubt of time line of events

Updated on December 27, 2018 in Azhwars
6 on December 24, 2018

Namaskaram Swamy!

I have some doubts on timelines of certain events. Not sure if my understanding is correct. Kindly excuse me for mistakes and request your clarification –

1. It is said that Swamy Nammazhwar was born just 45 days after Lord Krishna completed his avatharam and left for Sri Vaikuntham.

2. Srimad Bhagavatham predicts the birth of azhwars in the sloka “kvachith kvachith mahabhagaaha”.

My doubt is –

When was Bhagavatam written by Vedavyasa? Was Nammazhwar already born during that time? Also, first 3 azhwars must have lived even before Bhagavatham, in that case. If it is so, then Bhagavatham’s slokam as mentioned in Point 2 above will not be a prediction of future.

Or did the events in Point 1 and point 2 happened in different chaturyuga / kalpa cycles?

Thank you and namaskarams!!

 
  • Liked by
Reply
1 on December 24, 2018

Srimathe Ramanujaya nama:

Swamin,
Adiyen will try to make an attempt to answer from what adiyen heard from Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s Upanyasams.

Lord Krishna went back to Srivaikundam at the end of actual Dwapara yuga and Nammazhwar appeared at the beginning of actual Kali yuga. In between there was sandhi kalam (Uttara Dwapara yuga and Poorva Kaliyuga of 1,08,000 years)

Yuga ages in earth are as below
Poorva Kali Yuga – 36,000 years
Actual Kali Yuga – 3,60000 years
Uttara Kali Yuga – 36,000 years

Dwapara yuga age is twice that of Kali yuga
Poorva Dwapara Yuga – 72,000 years
Actual Dwapara Yuga – 7,20000 years
Uttara Dwapara Yuga – 72,000 years

Tretha yuga age is thrice that of Kali yuga
Poorva Tretha Yuga – 1,08,000 years
Actual Tretha Yuga – 10,80000 years
Uttara Tretha Yuga – 1,08,000 years

Kratha yuga age is four times that of Kali yuga
Poorva Kratha Yuga – 1,44,000 years
Actual Kratha Yuga – 14,40000 years
Uttara Kratha Yuga – 1,44000 years

Total Chathur yuga – 43,20,000 years (the time measurement is of human years)
(This was explained briefly in 2018 kinchitkaram calendar as well.)

Chatur yuga cycle is as below

Actual Kratha Yuga – – > Kratha Tretha sandhi (Uttara Kratha Yuga & Poorva Tretha Yuga) – – > Actual Tretha Yuga – – > Tretha Dwapara sandhi (Uttara Tretha Yuga & Poorva Dwapara Yuga) – – > Actual Dwapara Yuga –> Dwapara Kali sandhi(Uttara Dwapara Yuga & Poorva Kali Yuga) –> Actual Kali Yuga –> Kali Kratha sandhi ( Uttara Kali Yuga & Poorva Kratha Yuga) – – > again Actual Kratha Yuga

Mahabharatha, an ithihasa was written at the time when Lord Krishna was in the boolokam
Lord Krishna left the boolokam at the end of actual Dwapara Yuga.
Vyasacharya must have written Srimad Bhagavatam and Sukaacharyar must have given that to Parikshit maharaja during the beginning of Dwapara Kali sandhi (i.e. Uttara Dwapara Yuga & Poorva Kali Yuga)
From Guruparampara we can understand that muthalaazhwargal and Thirumazhisaiaazhwar appeared towards the end of
Dwapara Kali sandhi (i.e. Uttara Dwapara Yuga & Poorva Kali Yuga).
Hope this clarifies Bhagavatam was written way before Aazhwar’s Avatharam and hence it was written in future tense while referring to Aazhwar’s Avatharangal in 11th canto 5th chapter slokas 38 to 40.

kṛtādiṣu prajā rājan
 kalāv icchanti sambhavam
kalau khalu bhaviṣyanti
 nārāyaṇa-parāyaṇāḥ
kvacit kvacin mahā-rāja
 draviḍeṣu ca bhūriśaḥ

tāmraparṇī nadī yatra
 kṛtamālā payasvinī
kāverī ca mahā-puṇyā
 pratīcī ca mahā-nadī

ye pibanti jalaṁ tāsāṁ
 manujā manujeśvara
prāyo bhaktā bhagavati
 vāsudeve ’malāśayāḥ

Adiyen,
Ramanujadasan

on December 24, 2018

Srimathe ramanujaya namaha!

Thank you so much for the clarification, Swamy! This is a very detailed and wonderful response.

I now recollect listening to Velukkudi Swamy’s upanyasams where he mentions about purva and uthara sandhi kalam. Thank you for helping me understand this.

Adiyen,
Ramanujadasan

Show more replies
  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
0 on December 25, 2018

Adiyean!!
You can also refer to earlier forum link wherein the Maha Kala kanakku is tabulated for easy reference.
Ramanuja dhasan.

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/wp-content/uploads/2018/03/Astonishing-Khaal-Kanakku1-1.jpg

  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
1 on December 25, 2018

From Srinivasan

on December 27, 2018

Srimathe ramanujaya nama:

Thank you very much, Swami..

Adiyen,
Ramanujadasan

Show more replies
  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
0 on December 25, 2018

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Arpudham BhagavAtas.

Nandri Aadhi BhagavAta for writing down by referring to Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Bhagavatam/GuruParamparai/Alwargal Vaibhavam upanyasams regarding Alwars avatars sloka references and Kaala kanakku as Kainkaryam to Swami.

Nandri Srinivasan BhagavAta for posting the Kaala kanakku table from Swami’s Yathintra Mata Deepika upanyasams and Grantham as Kainkaryam to Swami.

Adiyaargal Vaazha ArangaNagar Vaazha Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamiye Innum Our Nootraandu Irumm.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu

  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
Loading more replies