Bhagavan’s thirumeni

Updated on December 8, 2020 in General
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Namaskaram swamy,
1) Bhagavan’s thirumeni is full of suddha sattvikam
2) All human beings, devatas, etc.,, are part of Bhagavan’s thirumeni
Since, Bhagavan’s thirumeni is full of suddha sattvikam then ,why all human beings, devatas, etc.., who are all part of him are not fully suddha sattvikam?

Adiyen ramanuja dasan

 
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Namaskaram Swami

Bhagwan’s Thirumeni is Aprakritam Shudha Saatvikam, we jeevans ( Chit ) are in his Thirumeni along side with Achit ( Non-sentient), Chit and Achit we both make a part to Bhagwan’s Aprakritam Thirumeni. In one of the 9 sambandams of ours to bhagwan’s, Atma- Shareeram is considered here. We as jeevans are too shudha Satvikargal only i.e our true Atma Swaroopam ( Gunathith). However, due to Karmas bondage we aren’t able to experience the same.

Adiyen Dasan

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Arjuna in Gita too asked a similar doubt to krishna, as why he isn’t able to see his true self just normally, for this krishna answers, because of Anadi Kala Karmangal and vasanas arising out of it which marks the entry of Satva, Rajas and Tamas.

 

Arjuna in Gita too asked a similar doubt to krishna, as why he isn’t able to see his true self just normally, for this krishna answersFrom Ramanuja dasan

Ramanujadasa – Swamy, namaskaram.

could you kindly guide me to the reference for the quoted part… chapter and slokam # ?
Thank you very much.

adiyen dasan.

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Namaskaram Swami

Swami the above statement is like an excerpt from various chapters and compiled in one  and for this Adiyen could find these references

Arjuna asked Krishna to lively witness his Vishvaroopam form, 11th chapter, 3rd slokam and Kannan’s answer in 8th slokam, by granting divine eyes. However, Krishna states the gunathith part ( True self) in 2nd chapter, 44th slokam, but not explicitly, and what hinders realising  the true self is stated as a process in 2nd chapter, 62,63 slokams

.”Arjuna in Gita too asked a similar doubt to krishna, as why he isn’t able to see his true self just normally”

For this, 3.37, 38 slokam  discuses the above statement of arjuna to krishna.

Adiyen Dasan

Ramanujadasan swamy, namaskaram. 

Thank you for your kind reply. Yes, i agree with your answer: the jeeva per se is pure in suddha satva. But in our material world existence the pure jeeva is covered by the combunation of tri-gunas.

in light of this understanding, Krshna’s reply to Arjuna’s questions in 2nd, 3rd and 11th chapters (as quoted by you) and many other places where the effect of the tri-gunas on the jeeva is described, can be used as a support to this explanation.

When I first read your reply earlier, I couldn’t relate to any of the questions Arjuna asked to be similar to the question raised here, and hence I was curious to know the slokam reference or acharya-upanyasam reference. Now I understand that you were actually referring to sections with Krishna’s reply, and not to Arjuna’s question itself. Thank you for taking your time to explain this to me.

adiyen dasan.  

on December 7, 2020

Actually yesterday Adiyen tried to schedule one session for Gita. However, it did’nt materialize, but Devarir’s curiosity dragged Adiyen to spend about 45 mins searching for references  and that too a good quality time and thereafter understood one statement practically, ” Every good thing will come in place, it is just waiting for the right time”.

Adiyen Dasan

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