Azhwars History

Updated on January 2, 2020 in Azhwars
16 on November 7, 2019

Dear Velukkudi Swami,

We are greatly enjoying Swami’s Australia Tour live upanyasams. 

Adiyen’s question is If Nathamunigal was the first, after a long period, got access to 4000 Divya Prabhandams, from where did our purvacharyas get the birth and life details of our Azhwars?  

Swami could have shared the answer in Guru Paramparai or in other lectures. Due to adiyen’s mantha buddhi not able to find them. Please grace us with your answer. 

Adiyen,
Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan! 

 
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Swami, a kind reminder. Since Swami was traveling during this time, posting this reply to get the thread on top of the list. 

Adiyen.

on November 15, 2019

Seri swamy

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Dear Velukkudi Swami,

Adiyen eagerly looking forward to Devareer’s response on this, a kind reminder Swamy

Adiyen.

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Adiyen

Swami.. when nammazhwar gave 4000 to Nadhamunigal that he might shared azhwar’s details ..

on December 9, 2019

Adiyen too feel same. But swami’s upanyasam too didn’t mention specifically that nammazhwar also gave vaibhavam of other azhwars to sriman nathamunigal. But at one point swami said that sriman nathamunigal took lot efforts to safeguard and spread golries/vaibhavm of azhwars and their Divyprabandam which was given by nammazhwar. Anyway this thread gave me bhagyam to listen the following upanyasam of nathamunigal vaibhavam.

Danyosmi.

on January 2, 2020

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Thank you Swami’s for the replies. Unfortunately, adiyen’s question still remains unanswered. 

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Dear Sri Velukkudi Swami, This unfortunate adiyen is still waiting for your kind Grace and reply on this query. Please let this adiyen know if the question is wrong in any sense?

on December 29, 2019

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Badri Swami,

Please check Adiyen’s 2nd posting as below with Acharya ThiruvAdi BhalAm and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s AasirvAdham, and skip the below adiyen’s 1st posting due to some font errors.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan.

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Srimatae Ramanujaya Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Badri Swami,

Adiyen also agree with Nivethitha Bhakthai and SriVatsan Swami that Swami NamAlwar gave all Alwars details to Swami Nathamunigal including Alwars Thiru Nakshathriams. So adiyen will connect the dots for Alwar’s ThiruNakshathiram details as below with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham and PoorvAcharyas Anugraham, though there could be many other references for Alwars ThiruNakshathiram details which adiyen is not aware of.

There is a slokam by <span style="color: #333333;”>ஸ்ரீ பின்பு அழகராம் பெருமாள் ஜீயர் அருளிச் செய்த தனியன் who is a Shishya of Acharyan Swami NamPillai. Down the row in Acharya GuruPramaparai series is Swami Manavaala Maamunigal and this Thaniyan along with other poorvacharyas Arulicheydha thaniyans was later put together in இயல்சாற்று by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal.

 

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<span style="color: #333333;”>ஊழி தொறும் ஊழி தொறும் உலகம் உய்ய
<span style="color: #333333;”>உம்பர்களும் கேட்டு உய்ய <span style="color: #333333;”>* அன்பினாலே
<span style="color: #333333;”>வாழி எனும் பூதம் பேய் பொய்கை மாறன்
<span style="color: #333333;”>மழிசையர் கோன் பட்டர் பிரான் மங்கை வேந்தன்<span style="color: #333333;”>*
<span style="color: #333333;”>கோழியர் கோன் தொண்டர் துகள் பாணன் கோதை
<span style="color: #333333;”>குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி<span style="color: #333333;”>* வீதி
<span style="color: #333333;”>வாழி என வரும் திரளை வாழ்த்துவர் தம்
<span style="color: #333333;”>மலரடி<span style="color: #333333;”>* என் சென்னிக்கு மலர்ந்த பூவே –

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<span style="color: #333333;”>ஊழி தொறும் ஊழி தொறும்

<span style="color: #333333;”> – In every Kalpam (after Maha Pralayam), when BhagavAn does Shristi

<span style="color: #333333;”> உலகம் உய்ய

<span style="color: #333333;”> – Every JeevAthmas in Human bodies and other bodies gets uplifted (Moksham)

<span style="color: #333333;”>உம்பர்களும் கேட்டு உய்ய

<span style="color: #333333;”> – Every JeevAthmas in Deva bodies like Brahma, Shiva, Indra, etc… gets uplifted (Moksham)

<span style="color: #333333;”> அன்பினாலே<span style="color: #333333;”>
<span style="color: #333333;”>வாழி எனும் பூதம் பேய் பொய்கை மாறன்<span style="color: #333333;”>
<span style="color: #333333;”>மழிசையர் கோன் பட்டர் பிரான் மங்கை வேந்தன்<span style="color: #333333;”>*
<span style="color: #333333;”>கோழியர் கோன் தொண்டர் துகள் பாணன் கோதை

– by singing the glories (வாழி) of all these 12 Alwars Divya Prabhandhams with Anbu (அன்பினாலே)

<span style="color: #333333;”> குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி

<span style="color: #333333;”> Also these Jeevathmas in human bodies, or deva bodies or other bodies gets uplighted by chanting the “Kula Munivan’s Nool” which is Swami Ramanujar’s “Ramanuja NoorthAndhadhi”.

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Now, there is a Deeper meaning (Swapadesha Artham) to this Thaniyan by Pinbhu Azhagar Perumal Jeeyar.

Consideration 1:

<span style="color: #333333;”>ஊழி தொறும் <span style="color: #333333;”>(In every Kalpam, after Maha Pralayam)

it is evident that Azhawars Divya Prabhandams and Ramanuja NoorAndhahi is being chanted, so hence the paasurams exists in present, past and future chatur yuga’s and beyond in next kalpam after Maha Pralayam as well. So, it is clear that Azhwars Avataram from Sri Vaikuntam and Swami Ramanujar avatram from Sri Vaikuntam is also REPETITIVE to uplift all the BhaadAthmas.

Hence the Conclusion is Azhwars Avtarams are Anaadhi, Ramanujar Avatram is Anaadhi and their works (Divya Prabhandham and Ramanuja NoorAndhadhi) are Anaadhi.

Please note: “Avatram” means SAME NithyaAthma (NO karmas) with powers drawn from Perumal descends from SriVaikuntam repetetively to Samsaram to uplift us. This is different from the Devata “POSTS” in Samsaram which is permanent but are occupied by different JeevAthmas in each kalpam or pralayams due to their Punya karmas based on their desires.

Consideration 2:

In Sampradhayam (<span style="color: #333333;”>குல) there are Four Munies (<span style="color: #333333;”>முனி)

  • Sriya Pathi (Perumal, Husband of Sri “MahaLakshmi)

  • Kula Pathi (Swami NamAlwar, Prapanna Kula ThalaivAr),

  • Yathi Pathi (Swami YathirAjar, <span style="color: #333333;”>ப்ரபந்ந குல மூல பூதரான ராமானுஜ முனி),

  • Vara Vara Muniye Gathi (Swami Manavaala Maamunigal)

Sri Velukkudi Swami has said, Perumal sent Aadhi Sheshan as Swami Ramanujar for 200 years of Kainkaryam, but Swami Ramanujar returned after 120 years, hence AadhiSheshan took another 80 years as Swami Manavaal Maamungal Avatram to fulfill the 200 years Kainakaryam service, which is also seen in Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Vaibhavam.

Hence, the Swapadesha Artham for the line

<span style="color: #333333;”>குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி

refers to “Kula Munivan / குல முனிவன்” as “Swami Ramanujar and Swami Manavaala Maamunigal” TOGETHER, since they were AadhiSheshan (Nithya Soori) Avataram,

Hence, “Kula Muni Nool” also refers to Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Granthams as well.

As in this case related to the intial question, “Upadesana Ratna Maalai” grantham details out each Azhwars and key PoorvAcharyas ThiruNakshatirams (Month & Day).

As an example slokam 6 tells about Poighai, Bhoothath, Peiy Azhwars ThiruNakshathirams, and slokam 15 tells about Swami NamAzhwar ThiruNakshathiram etc…..

We already saw in above, their Divine Works are Anaadhi (Repetitive in each Yugas or Kalpams), hence Upadesana Rathnamaala is also “ANAADHI”, so Azhwars ThiruNakshathirams are also Anaadhi which is delivered to NathMunigal by Swami NamAzhwars from Previous Yuga Upadesana Rathnamaalai Grantham, though the Grantham itself will be written in detail for this Yuga later during Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Avatram period. We Prapanna also should remember that, each and every detail may be told IMPLICITY in GuruParamparai by PoorvAcharyas and Sri Velukkudi Swami in Upanyasams, since some details will be told EXPLICITY by PoorvAcharyar’s as in this case by PinbhuAzhagar Perumal Jeeyar Swami.

Another Interesting fact is, Pinbhu Azhgaram Perumal Jeeyar Swami is a Shisya of Swami Nampillai whose wrote this Thaniyan by FORESEEING Manavaala Maamunigal Avatram in the later upcoming period, and the Upadesana Ratha Maalai grantham slokam 66 by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal has Pinbhu Azhagram Jeeyar Swami’s ThiruNakshathiram details. So, it’s all CIRCUM-ANAADHI.

Kurai Irundhaal Adiyenai kShamikka Prarthikkiraen,

Nirai Irundhaal, adiyenudaya Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalatthaal, Sri Velukkuid Swami Aasrivadhatthaal.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam

Acharyar ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

Pinbhu Azhagar Perumal Jeeyar Swami Thiruvadigaley Sharanam,

Ramanujan Yennai Aandananey,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on December 29, 2019

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Srimatae Ramanujaya Namaha,

Asmadh Sarva Gurubhyo Namaha,

 

Namaskaram Badri Swami,

Adiyen also agree with Nivethitha Bhakthai and SriVatsan Swami that Swami NamAlwar gave all Alwars details to Swami Nathamunigal including Alwars Thiru Nakshathriams. So adiyen will connect the dots for Alwar’s ThiruNakshathiram details as below with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham and PoorvAcharyas Anugraham, though there could be many other references for Alwars ThiruNakshathiram details which adiyen is not aware of.

There is a slokam by ஸ்ரீ பின்பு அழகராம் பெருமாள் ஜீயர் who is a Shishya of Acharyan Swami NamPillai. Down the row in Acharya GuruPramaparai series is Swami Manavaala Maamunigal and this Thaniyan along with other poorvacharyas Arulicheydha thaniyans was later put together in இயல்சாற்று by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal.

 

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ஊழி தொறும் ஊழி தொறும் உலகம் உய்ய
உம்பர்களும் கேட்டு உய்ய * அன்பினாலே
வாழி எனும் பூதம் பேய் பொய்கை மாறன்
மழிசையர் கோன் பட்டர் பிரான் மங்கை வேந்தன்*
கோழியர் கோன் தொண்டர் துகள் பாணன் கோதை
குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி* வீதி
வாழி என வரும் திரளை வாழ்த்துவர் தம்
மலரடி* என் சென்னிக்கு மலர்ந்த பூவே –

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ஊழி தொறும் ஊழி தொறும்

In every Kalpam (after Maha Pralayam), when BhagavAn does Shristi

உலகம் உய்ய

Every JeevAthmas in Human bodies and other bodies gets uplifted (Moksham)

உம்பர்களும் கேட்டு உய்ய

Every JeevAthmas in Deva bodies like Brahma, Shiva, Indra, etc… gets uplifted (Moksham)

அன்பினாலே
வாழி எனும் பூதம் பேய் பொய்கை மாறன்
மழிசையர் கோன் பட்டர் பிரான் மங்கை வேந்தன்*
கோழியர் கோன் தொண்டர் துகள் பாணன் கோதை

by singing the glories (வாழி) of all these 12 Alwars Divya Prabhandhams with Anbu (அன்பினாலே)

குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி

– Also these Jeevathmas in human bodies, or deva bodies or other bodies gets uplighted by chanting the “Kula Munivan’s Nool” which is Swami Ramanujar’s “Ramanuja NoorthAndhadhi”.

***************

Now, there is a Deeper meaning (Swapadesha Artham) to this Thaniyan by Pinbhu Azhagar Perumal Jeeyar.

Consideration 1:

ஊழி தொறும் (In every Kalpam, after Maha Pralayam)

it is evident that Azhawars Divya Prabhandams and Ramanuja NoorAndhahi is being chanted, so hence the paasurams exists in present, past and future chatur yuga’s and beyond in next kalpam after Maha Pralayam as well. So, it is clear that Azhwars Avataram from Sri Vaikuntam and Swami Ramanujar avatram from Sri Vaikuntam is also REPETITIVE to uplift all the BhaadAthmas.

Hence the Conclusion is Azhwars Avtarams are Anaadhi, Ramanujar Avatram is Anaadhi and their works (Divya Prabhandham and Ramanuja NoorAndhadhi) are Anaadhi.

Please note: “Avatram” means SAME NithyaAthma (NO karmas) with powers drawn from Perumal descends from SriVaikuntam repetetively to Samsaram to uplift us. This is different from the Devata “POSTS” in Samsaram which is permanent but are occupied by different JeevAthmas in each kalpam or pralayams due to their Punya karmas based on their desires.

Consideration 2:

In Sampradhayam (குல) there are Four Munies (முனி)

  • Sriya Pathi (Perumal, Husband of Sri “MahaLakshmi)

  • Kula Pathi (Swami NamAlwar, Prapanna Kula ThalaivAr),

  • Yathi Pathi (Swami YathirAjar, ப்ரபந்ந குல மூல பூதரான ராமானுஜ முனி),

  • Vara Vara Muniye Gathi (Swami Manavaala Maamunigal)

Sri Velukkudi Swami has said, Perumal sent Aadhi Sheshan as Swami Ramanujar for 200 years of Kainkaryam, but Swami Ramanujar returned after 120 years, hence AadhiSheshan took another 80 years as Swami Manavaal Maamungal Avatram to fulfill the 200 years Kainakaryam service, which is also seen in Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Vaibhavam.

Hence, the Swapadesha Artham for the line

குல முனிவன் கூறிய நூல் ஓதி

refers to “Kula Munivan / குல முனிவன்as “Swami Ramanujar and Swami Manavaala Maamunigal” TOGETHER, since they were AadhiSheshan (Nithya Soori) Avataram,

Hence, “Kula Muni Nool” also refers to Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Granthams as well.

As in this case related to the intial question, “Upadesana Ratna Maalai” grantham details out each Azhwars and key PoorvAcharyas ThiruNakshatirams (Month & Day).

As an example slokam 6 tells about Poighai, Bhoothath, Peiy Azhwars ThiruNakshathirams, and slokam 15 tells about Swami NamAzhwar ThiruNakshathiram etc…..

We already saw in above, their Divine Works are Anaadhi (Repetitive in each Yugas or Kalpams), hence Upadesana Rathnamaala is also “ANAADHI”, so Azhwars ThiruNakshathirams are also Anaadhi which is delivered to NathMunigal by Swami NamAzhwars from Previous Yuga Upadesana Rathnamaalai Grantham, though the Grantham itself will be written in detail for this Yuga later during Swami Manavaala Maamunigal Avatram period. We Prapanna also should remember that, each and every detail may be told IMPLICITY in GuruParamparai by PoorvAcharyas and Sri Velukkudi Swami in Upanyasams, since some details will be told EXPLICITY by PoorvAcharyar’s as in this case by PinbhuAzhagar Perumal Jeeyar Swami.

Another Interesting fact is, Pinbhu Azhgaram Perumal Jeeyar Swami is a Shisya of Swami Nampillai whose wrote this Thaniyan by FORESEEING Manavaala Maamunigal Avatram in the later upcoming period, and the Upadesana Ratha Maalai grantham slokam 66 by Swami Manavaala Maamunigal has Pinbhu Azhagram Jeeyar Swami’s ThiruNakshathiram details. So, it’s all CIRCUM-ANAADHI.

Kurai Irundhaal Adiyenai kShamikka Prarthikkiraen,

Nirai Irundhaal, adiyenudaya Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalatthaal, Sri Velukkuid Swami Aasrivadhatthaal.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam

Acharyar ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

Pinbhu Azhagar Perumal Jeeyar Swami Thiruvadigaley Sharanam,

Ramanujan Yennai Aandananey,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on December 30, 2019

மிக்க நன்றி இளையாழ்வார் ஸ்வாமி! Devareer’s effort to explain to this ignorant dasan is greatly appreciated. Adiyen liked “CIRCUM-ANAADHI” concept. Adiyen will conclude that all the details were shared by Sri Nammalwaar to Sriman Natha Munigal. 

ஆழ்வார் எம்பெருமானார் ஜீயர் திருவடிகளே சரணம்!

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Adiyen Charamavathi Dasan Badri Swami ?

All credits to:
KKC Sholinghur DhoddayAcharyar-VedanthAcharyAr KumaraSingarAchayar-Velukkudi Swamigal Thiruvadigalil Samarpanam ?

Also Sri Velukkudi Swami has BLESSED devareer and ALL Devotees and approved our conversations due to Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam in Enpani #1605 “ஆழ்வார்களை நாதமுனிகளுக்கு எப்படி தெரியும்?”, but looks like the actual aduio uploaded under 1605 is same as enpani 1603. Probably KKT volunteers will re-upload 1605 ?

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayaAcharyar) Dasan,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam
Acharyar ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

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Mere words cannot describe our Swami’s karunai. Inspite of his Super busy schedule (3 live upanyasams every day apart from the other projects), Swami had taken time to answer this poor adiyen’s ignorant question. Beautiful explanation swami!

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamigal thiruvadigale Saranam?‍♂️

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