“Anaadhi” term- unable to pick up or to visualize

Updated on October 19, 2022 in General
12 on January 29, 2020

Namaskaram Swamy,
Adiyen refers to your numerous discourses and EnPani replies regarding the term “aNAadhi” or existence without knowing the begining…or origin..

Adiyen is still not able to digest or unable to visualize such a state that how Baghavan exists. Or originated.. what was it before…etc., though this, at this juncture, is immaterial to us (bhaghavathas) as our focus is on how to attain aAcharya thiruvadi or Bhaghavan thiruvadi.

Whenever, trying to visualize or imagine in my mind about this, adiyean subjected to a strange feeling and could not withstand that experience…and forced coming out of that state immediately..

I had raised earlier in this forum about this. Still awaiting a convincible reply. Any specific or detailed explanation or references available from our poorvaacharyaas or from vedantas?
Shamikkanum,
Dhanyosmi Swamy.
Adiyen Ramanujadhasan.

 
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1 on January 29, 2020

Namaskaram Swamy,
Adiyen refers to your numerous discourses and EnPani replies regarding the term “aNAadhi” or existence without references to the begining…or origin..

Adiyen is still not able to digest or unable to visualize such a state that how Baghavan exists. Or originated.. what was it before…etc., though this, at this juncture, is immaterial to us (bhaghavathas) as our focus is on how to attain aAcharya thiruvadi or Bhaghavan thiruvadi.

Whenever, trying to visualize or imagine in my mind about this, adiyean subjected to a strange feeling and could not withstand that experience…and forced coming out of that state immediately..

I had raised earlier in this forum about this. Still awaiting a convincible reply. Any specific or detailed explanation or references available from our poorvaacharyaas or from vedantas?
Shamikkanum,
Dhanyosmi Swamy.
Adiyen Ramanujadhasan.

on February 1, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

In Srimad BhAgavatham Sukhar asks Parikshit to visualise PerumaL as creation (14 layers i guess). Parikshit could not bear it.

Then Sukhar asks Parikshit to Visualise as Little Krishna. Parikshit became happy

Dasanudasan

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1 on February 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

 

Namaskaaram, swami. Please find one reference which may be related to your query.

Bhagavat Gita  chapter 8 verse 20 and 21.

“Yet there is another nature, which is eternal and is transcendental to this manifested and unmanifested matter. It is supreme and is never annihilated. When all in this world is annihilated, that part remains as it is.

That supreme abode is called unmanifested and infallible, and it is the supreme destination. When one goes there, he never comes back. That is My supreme abode.”

Adiyen

on October 14, 2022

Swamy,
Adiyen still unable to find a convincing reply. The state of origin- prior to Bhagawan….etc.,???
If you try to visualize or meditate to explore further…it would be totally different feeling or experience you would gothrough..
Adiyen Ramanuja dhasan.

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1 on October 15, 2022

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram ‘Srivasan’ BhagavAta,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham, adiyen will share some details regarding devareer’s question:

 

“……….Adiyen refers to your numerous discourses and EnPani replies regarding the term “aNAadhi” or existence without knowing the begining…or origin……………Adiyen still unable to find a convincing reply…………”

 

We have heard the word “Anaadhi அனாதி” from Sri Velukkudi Swami and all PoorvAcharyas and BhagvAn SriKrishna has said in the past.

As we know,

“Aadhi / आदि / ஆதி ” means Beginning or Origin. So there is first start date, but when Sanskrit word “An or Na” is added, it gives opposite meaning.

An + Aadhi = Anaadhi,

अन + आदि = अनादि,

அன்  + ஆதி = அனாதி.

Anaadhi / अनादि / அனாதி means “Without a Beginning or without an Origin.

 

However it can also be considered in a different view point as DON”T KNOW TO SPELL THE ORIGIN

 

Now, how to understand this “Dont know to spell the origin” termed as word Anaadhi / अनादि / அனாதி using our “Maternal” mind for simplicity as follows.

 

Say, the number 1 followed by 3 zeros, we say as one thousand easily, 1000

1 followed by 6 zeros, we say 1 million, 1,000,000 (106),

1 followed by 9 zeros, we say 1 billion, 1,000,000,000 (109),

1 followed by 12 zeros, we say 1 trillion, 1,000,000,000,000 (1012),

etc…….

Now, how about,

2 times million : a million million (1,000,000,000,000 or 1012), 1 followed by 2×6 zeros, same as trillion

3 times a million: a million million million (1,000,000,000,000,000,000 or 1018), 1 followed by 3×6 zeros, same as 2 times a billion.

Yes, we can say by mouth all these numbers,

 

Now, how about,

1000 (103) times a million : a million million million million million million million million etc thousand times (106000)……………..1 followed by 1000*6 zeros.

1,000,000 (10/ 1 million) times a million : a million million million million million million million million etc million times (106,000,000)……………..1 followed by 1,000,000*6 zeros.

 

Now, how about,

(106,000,000 ) times a million : Ok, to some extent, I can spell this.

 

No lets try further

(106,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000,000 ) times a million : Really?. Do we even need to spell this. Sorry, I cannot, I’m tired.

 

So, there is a “Saturation Point” for us, beyond which we are not capable of Spelling it further. So we call it as “INFINITY”, that doesn’t mean there is NO actual zeros to it. It is because I’m NOT capable of spelling it further. So, any further zero’s added to the INFINITY is also called as INFINITY, since we have already crossed beyond our Initial Saturation Point of Spelling it. we don’t want to take any more risk of damaging our brain & mouth, so lets name it Simply as “INFINITY”, is what we finally conclude.

 

Same as our KARMAS are ININITY times INIFINTY times INFINTY times continuously…….., Hence, we don’t know the Karmas Origin, though BhagavAn SriKrishna may know. So, let’s call it as “Anaadhi (DON”T KNOW TO SPELL THE ORIGIN)”.

 

Hence, Anaadhi means “Don’t know to spell the Origin” since  we cannot spell it. It doesn’t mean there was no origin.

 

Is it really possible to have  karma’s without start point by itself. It cannot be true, since karma’s are given by BhagavAn to us when we do actions. So when we start digging more questions, inorder to keep us calm, Vidhvaans say, instead of investigating the Karmas Origin, the focus to be HOW to WIPE it OFF in the same Birth that we took, which is attainable with Swami Ramanujar’s Grace in this Janma which Devareer already achieved by saying “Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha“. So, no worries.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan 

on October 16, 2022

Arputham ! Aprutham : Ram Ram

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5 on October 15, 2022

adiyen’s first thread in this forum is 

https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/para-brahmam/

wherein I have asked five questions related to para brahmam, anadhi, leela vibhudhi etc., to which swamy has given an enpani audio @1786  titled “உள்ளதை இல்லை என்று நிரூபிக்க முடியுமா ?”.  

I feel if one say that origin exists then there will be several queries related to that and will be in a sort of whirlpool, which will remain unsolved. If one calls it anadhi, then one can put an end to several questions.

I still wonder why should Para Brahmam, atmas, karmas exist at all ?. If they does not exist, then cycle of births will not take place.

Whenever, trying to visualize or imagine in my mind about this, adiyean subjected to a strange feeling and could not withstand that experience…and forced coming out of that state immediately..From Srinivasan

If you feel it can be shared, would you explain the experience?.

on October 15, 2022

Adiyen,
Dhanyosmi ElayaAlwar swamy and Srivaishnava dhasan swamy for trying to reply.
Adiyen asked the about the origin of Bhagawan or how the beginning….etc., cannot be replied as, as you rightly mentioned that infinity cannot be measured.. however, I can put a simple ( may sound silly) question… that means baghawan Himself cannot know His origin??!!

SriVaishnavadhasan swamy… the experience cannot be explained….shamikkanum..it is something like deep thinking…but not recommend ….

Adiyen Ramanujadhasan.

on October 16, 2022

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Srinivasan Swami,

Regarding “………..I can put a simple ( may sound silly) question… that means baghawan Himself cannot know His origin??!!…….”

 

You are right. It’s not silly. It’s true.

BhagavAn doesn’t even FULLY know HIS “Countless Divine Qualities” (Anantha Kodi kalyana gunas”….Adiyen has heard this in Swami’s upanyasams. That’s why HE acts upon a devotees wish (especially Alwars wish), since Alwars provoke each of HIS kalyana gunas and at that time BhagavAn Sriman Narayana (Supreme Almighty GOD) realizes “Oh, Thank You Alwar for making me remember my this particular Kalyana Guna”.

 

HE himself doesn’t know HIS capability boundary limits, since it has no end. That’s why HE is the One & Only Almighty GOD and “Owner & Protector” of every souls (JeevAthmas).

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on October 16, 2022

Dhanyosmi again ElayaAlwar swamy,
Adiyen wished to hear from devarir’s thiruvakku.. and that’s why Adiyen coined this sandheha…for the forum better understanding.

Adiyean Dhasanu dhasan.

on October 16, 2022
SriVaishnavadhasan swamy… the experience cannot be explainedFrom Srinivasan

Thank you swamy.

on October 19, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

AthmA is anAdi. So is PerumAl.
What is difference?
AthmA = Anu (chinnadhu)
ParamAthmA = Vibhu (perusu)

Thanks to Velukkudi Swamy.

Mahath bootham pruthak bhuthAn Anekacha:
Ekam sath vipra bahudha vadanthi

AnAdi can be sxplained via Thirukkudanthai Andavan

“In a bag of rice, what is the difference between two 🍚🍚 pieces? So is AthmA”

My perception:
AthmA borrows same quality of paramAthmA with an an additional attribute called AgyAnam due to Karma.

Velukkudi Swamy has told “KarmA is also anAdi”

To me it is very simple, the concept of time & distance exists only after materialization.

Therefore, as time being relative & not absolute, our existence intime also relative.

Beyond time, there is no question of beginning or even end.

AthmA is not anantham (nowhere heard)
Perumal is anantham.

This means, the perception of being individual AthmA can come to an end as there will be no more creation (materialization)/shareerAthma-Bandham.

Perumal and AthmA shouldn’t have swaroopa bedham.
Meaning a drop of water 💦 from ocean has the same qualities of ocean but you can separately identify it as a drop due to physical separation (time & distance).

Note:
Yes according to Velukkudi Swamy’s upanyasam, ParAshara Bhattar says this with full confidence.

“Hey Ranganatha you too have a dosham, you don’t know your own limits” – A witty reply.

BhagavAn doesn’t even FULLY know HIS “Countless Divine Qualities

Srimushnam PeriyAndavan Srimath RangaRamanuja Mahadesika Swamy says “this is not a dosham as it’s a negation of negation which is positive”

Meaning PerumAl doesn’t know does not mean he is unaware or non-existant but infinite cannot have a boundary.

As such qualities doesn’t have a boundary it cannot be ascertained. If it can be ascertained then only it becomes an issue.

In Srimath Bhagavath Gita Sri Krishna says:
“Hey Arujuna, only difference between you & me is that, you don’t know yourself or me but I know both”

Therefore, it has to be understood that
“God knows he is infinite”

As Velukkudi Swamy used to say:
“Ghathaka Shruthi of Veda says – He can be known as not fully knowable”

Sorry for extending after ElayaAlwar Swamy. Adiyen thought it will be value addition.

Dasanudasan

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