Adiyenin Oru Siru Vinnappam

Updated on August 8, 2018 in General
6 on August 7, 2018

Dear Bakthas,

Adiyen is no way connected to Swamy other than Enpani.

Most of the people post questions because they may expect Swamy to give an authentic scriptural answer. Adiyen also post with this expectation. Swamy may or may not consider those Sandeha. It is Swamy’s free will.

Adiyen is sure that there are lot of learned scholars and advance learners in this forum. Everyone gives a very good and valuable responses. No doubt.

However, Adiyen have a feeling that Swamy may not consider a Sandeha if it’s discussed a lot in the forum before Swamy responds. Thats why Adiyen restricted Adiyen’s response to other’s threads.

Swamy may take sometime in the busy schedule. There is no doubt that everyone gives valid information. However, more we allow Swamy to speak, more information we can gain.

Adiyen’s Namaskaarams to few Bakthas like Kongil Piratti, who always post Swamy’s Enpani audios as response to Sandeha of forum members.

So, Adiyen’s obligation is that, we shall allow Swamy to respond to the questions of forum members. If that’s not responded by Swamy for a very long time, then we may discuss within ourselves and try to share best of our learnings.

Thavariruppin Kshamikkavum.

Daasanu Daasan.

 
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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear BhagavAta,

Adiyen completely agree with BhagavAtas view point.

Adiyen normally wait for a week, and then try to search from Swamis enpani audios or from upanyasams and adiyen refer to Swamis upanyasam topic as well, so that others could directly listen to Swamis Kural and meanings. At the same time, if there was a similar topic reposted, then adiyen sometimes react immedietly and refer Swamis words/audios.

Adiyen remember Swami saying in one of past enpani audio that “some questions willnot be answered, if already enpani is available, and Swami has requested us to search enpani before asking question, and some questions will not be answered in public forum, if it is a specific sampradhsyam question”.

Sometimes, some bhagavatas understand the answers when referred from Swamis audios/pravachanams, but some BhagavAras keep pondering by making a question based on the answer that is provided. It could be either they are nit clear anout the answer, or it could theur ego holfing to accept the answer. So it becomes like a conversation.

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Adiyen has also mentioned in the past threads that, when we post a question by clicking “Submit” button using a laptop, the question is transmitted and is visible to Admin and Swami, but the question wont be visible to others in the forum. The question will be visible in the forum only when we click “Approve” button in our login ‘Following’ tab. But, the laptop version doesnt show the “Approve” button, only mobile version has “Approve” button visible.
Either way, if we “Approve or not click Approve” button, it doesnt matter, since by clicking “Submit” initially, the question is transmitted and visible to Admin and Swami, and depending up on the sensitivity of the question and depending on Swamis busy schedule, Swami will answer.

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So, here is what, adiyen would suggest to those who prefer, others not to interfer in their question posted.

1) Go ahead and post a question by clicking “Submit”. But dont click “Approve” button, since the question will be visible to all, and someone including adiyen will answer, if answer is known from Swamis pravachanams or own interest answers which are not pramaanam.
2) So, Wait for a week after posting by clicking “Submit” button. If no answer, it could be because, there is already an answer and Swami doesnt want to answer, or Swami is busy or Swami doesnt want to answer as the question may be poking someones nose, or specific samprafhayam questions cannot be addressed in public forum.
3) If Swami answers in enpani, then click “Approve” button and make it visible to others in the forum, and then click “Repy referring to Swamis audio number.
4) If Swami has not answered for a week, due to above criteria’s, then it will be up to the individual Bhagavata to make the question visible in the forum by clicking “Approve” button. Then there is possibility that someone will refer Swamis audios or someone will refer others audios or someone will refer there own thinking mixing their own interests etc..which may not be pramaanam and so on….

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As one man army, “Swami” answering to all 40,000 members is going to be difficult, unless Swami takes Aprakritha shareeram.

So, Adiyen has requested other BhagavAtas in this forum in couple of threads that “for any unanswered questions, if other BhagavAtas can remember Swamis audios/upanyasams, then they can share with others in this forum WITHOUT MIXING THEIR OWN INTERESTS”, that will be greatly appreciated, as we are doing it as a kainkaryam to Swami. Some BhagavAtas are already doing it and that type of Kainkaryam to Swami should continue……….
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Swami ThiruvAdiyil Kainkaryame ParamaPurushartham.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrisharpanam Asthu.

on August 7, 2018

Dear Bhakta,

Thank you very much. Adiyen didn’t knew it these days. Adiyen thought only after approving Swamy can also see.

Hence forth, Adiyen will follow Devarir’s suggestions. Adiyen always try to ask Vedantic questions from scriptures Adiyen read, though it may be personal sometimes and Swamy also answered many in the past. So, Adiyen would prefer hearing response in Swamy’s fresh voice unless there is an already existing Enpani audio.

Henceforth, as Devarir advised, Adiyen will submit but not approve. When Adiyen feel Swamy might not be interested to respond, Adiyen will approve the same. Then Bhaktas if interested, may please share learnings or share old audios. Adiyen will also search audios.

Similarly, as Devarir said, once Swamy answers any question, Adiyen will approve post with appropriate Enpani number.

Thank you very much for taking time to elaborate Adiyen, the features if this forum.

Daasanu Daasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Dear BhagavAta,

Thanks for the understanding.

Adiyen only shared adiyens ‘observations’ as points 1) thru’ 4) as of till date, since adiyen has heard many times Swami saying in enpani that “oru kelvi vandhu irundhadhu badhil koorugiraen”. Adiyen has noticed that the the particular question that Swami says is not visible in forum, which means the question is visible only to Admin and Swami, but not to us. Also some ask questions to Swami directly using the kinchit email available in the website ‘contact us’ section. Swami could be answering those questions as well in enpani. Aiyen is also not sure of the actual forum features. Adiyen believe, only Kinchit Admin knows In&Out of the forum features and they have the final authority to change any features, if neccessary.

Hence, so far, if we “ALL” Bhagavatas including adiyen in this forum can follow 1) thru’ 4) with diligence, that would be great, and will help other BhagavAtas in this forum to move-on with ease, and ofcourse, when we share Swamis pravachanams, it gives us an immense pleasure as it is a Kainkaryam to Swami.

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Adiyen’s all spiritual kinchit (little) knowledge is from Swamis pravachanams, which adiyen tried to mention in the below thread in the past as:

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886 Velukkudi Swayam Udayavar born

Without Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Avataram, we wouldnot have known all these:

a) What is Karmas,

b) WHy we were born (Yean Piranthaen)

c) Who Am I (Naan Yaar)

d) Piraviyin Payan Yaadhu (Moksham for Kainkaryam).

e) Why Perumal makes Shrisiti,

f) How Piratti Thayar does PurushKarathvam (Recommendation) for us to Perumal to forgive us,

f) Acharyargal, Alwargal’nna Yaaru. Avargal namakku yenna Solli Irukkiraargal yendru,

g) Swami Ramanujar nammukkaga MOksha’thai Vaangi Vaithaar yenbhadhu.

h) Moksham poyi yenna pannanum (Kainkaryam pannanum yendru)

So, all Kainkarya Bhaktas incluidng some Present Acharyas, says Sri Velukkudi Swami as the 4th form of Swami Ramanujar, inaddtion to the 3 forms as:

ThaanAaga Vandha Thirumeni as “Nadamaadum EmperumanAr”

Sri Velukkudi Swami is LIVELY EmperumanaAr (UdayavAr/Ramanujar), “(Gyana+Anushtanam+Karunai Ullam)” and walking-talking with all of us.

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Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrisharpanam Asthu.

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There is an option to the admin as well to stop it being visible to all. They also lock it from editing if swami has considered it. Adiyen personally believe that if many members are discussing swami Wil clear that sandeha. Just like a mother would intervene n clarify if there was chaotic discussion among kids 🙂

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Thank you Bhagavatas. Adiyen understand. However, when we talk to Mahaans, we have to listen more and talk less. If we give understanding ourselves, it has to be very authentic with scriptural references and specific to the question.

Problems when everyone discuss.

1. Sometimes people give their own understanding rather than quoting from scriptures. Adiyen also did this sometimes in the past. Anumana is never an independent Pramana. For example, we may guess pumpkin comes from tree and fig comes from plant considering their sizes. But, in yathartha, it is vice versa. So, Anumana has to be supported by Prathyaksha or Shabda. But, Prathyaksha is also limited. So, Anumana unless supported by Sabdha may not be right. So, Adiyen is not interested to listen pure anumana without support. Adiyen believe many people won’t.

2. Though Swamy advises that people should not see Sampardaya bheda, some people are particular about Sampardayam in their statement, which gives slight discomfort. For example, if someone asks a question and other says it’s for Srivaishnavas in specific, think about mind set of Bhaktha who asked it. Yathirajar or Desikar worked for the benefit of all. Also, Shri Velukkudi Swamy always advises everyone to join hands to save Sanadhana Dharma. As a Madhva, Adiyen felt this discomfort few times. But, Adiyen is learning Divya Prabhandam and Vedas from a Srivaishnavite Acharya only. Adiyen is interested in all Sampardayams.

3. When lot of people discuss, Swamy may wait for people to come to a solution on their own, which may delay getting authentic information.

Adiyen’s personal experience. Adiyen once got a chance to have darshan of Thirukkurungudi Jeeyar Swamy. Adiyen was very eager to ask lot of Vedantic questions to Swamy. Swamy was also in a good mood. But, Adiyen’s mother kept on praising Adiyen in front of Swamy. Though Adiyen felt discomfort, Adiyen could not stop Adiyen’s mother because of the respect I show to her. Adiyen cannot hurt her. But, Swamy stopped talking when Adiyen’s mother kept on talking. Yet, Swamy told me to chant Ashtakshara Mantra eleven times a day for Moksha, told Kshetra Purana and sent us back. Adiyen felt very bad on that day. Adiyen’s interests to ask more and know more were spoiled by Adiyen’s mother. The whole time was lost. Life is very short and every minute wasted is wasted. On that day, Adiyen clearly understood that, it doesn’t matter whether we are good in scriptures or not, we have to be quiet in front of Mahaans to get more knowledge. We need not show our expertise. We shall surrender ourselves to them as if we are zero and allow them to talk. The moment we start talking, they stop because they are very patient and good listeners, while common people lack listening skills. More we are quiet and attentive, more we will be able to learn.

That’s the reason Adiyen was happy that our questions can be displayed to Swamy, while it’s not public.

Before Enpani App, Enpani was in Whatsapp. Any questions were sent to Swamy via Volunteers. Volunteers really did a good job. They forwarded Adiyen’s questions to Swamy and Swamy answered many. So, Adiyen think it will work well.

If Adiyen talked any big words or hurted somebody, it’s not intentional. Kshamikka Prarthikkiren.

Daasanu Daasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,

Super Srinivasa BhagavAta.

When Swami answers, there is double or multiple benefit.
1) “authentic” answer based on shastras are received.
2) “blessings” are also received along with it.

Our sharing is only “information”, it doesnt do the true/actual wellness to others. Ours is more like “regurgitation” (vomiting) the same what us heard from Swami’s Pravachanams without full knowledge of it, which adiyen has said couple of other threads for adiyen-self itself.

Swami is like maan (deer/மான்). Yellarayum aravanaitthu selbhavar.

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdiyil Kainkaryame ParamaPurushartham.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrisharpanam Asthu.

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