Jayaram swamy, namaskaram.

Am I right in understanding that you are implying ‘adiyen’ expresses more humility than ‘Adiyen’. Then Adiyen would express more humility than ADIYEN? Along the same logic, does adiyen in font zero express more humilty that adiyen in font 10?

Namaskaram Jayaram swami,

Although I am comparatively a beginner with regards to learning about Vaishnavam, let me share my thoughts in this. I must say this is a very interesting question as I have never thought of this before.

1. I think when we write “Adiyen”, the thought process is “I am a servant” with even more importance attached to the fact that we are servants, due to the capital “A”.
2.  Whereas when we write “adiyen”, the thought process is “I am a servant and I am most certainly not to be revered more than a speck of dust in a grass in a grass field”. The small “a” signifies this aspect.

Both are to be understood in different aspects. But still the meaning is the same. 

However, when we write in தமிழ், we write as   “அடியேன்”. There is no capital or small letter here. I think it’s best to use this.

So, since அடியேன் is a தமிழ் word, I think the very thought of writing it in English as  either “Adiyen” or “adiyen”  can be encouraged, regardless of using capital or small letter “a”. It depends on the thought process of various Bhaagavathas. But it’s better if we don’t get too much into this…

Thank you Jayaram swami for posting this question.

Let other Bhaagavathas too share thoughts on this for more clarity…

அடியேன்.

By the way, what is the tamil word for ‘capital letter’? ‘Capital city’ ‘தலை நகரம்’ என்றால், ‘capital letter’ ‘தலை எழுத்து’ தானே?!!! :))

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami’s,

To add flavour to the conversations, SriVaishana blog writers use different types while writing in English, but definitely there is only one in Tamil as “அடியேன்“,

Like,

‘1) adiyen

‘2) adiyEn,

‘3) Adiyen,

‘4) ADIYEN

Not sure of these interpretations in English, but it is interesting. So its up to the readers own mind boggling to consider what it would imply, so for our own safer side, when we write, lets attach the below gif file in every of our posts, so that the reader can pick which ever format is needed for them…….. What does devotees think about it?

(ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram “Sharavan of Swami’s Upanyasams” Swami,

Though our thoughts are valid, we have to look back into questioner  (Jayaram Swami’s) perspective.

We all know from Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s upanyasam, there is only One bhavam for one word in Tamil “அடியேன்”, but 

Jayaram Swami’s question is what are the thoughts for writing as ‘adiyen or Adiyen’ in English. Is there a Bhavam difference here. So the answer is “NO”, there is only one Bhavam for அடியேன், if written in whichever way in English. One may think “Adiyen” is the correct Bhavam, another may think “Adiyen” is correct Bhavam, but as long as by Mind if one has the common Bhavam as meant by Poorvacharyas, how does it matter in which way it is written in English. So if some devotees start thinking only one of the word ‘adiyen‘ in English is close to the Bhavam Tamil word அடியேன் then that’s their personal thought which is also valid, since some others may have different perspective as ‘adiyEn‘ or ‘Adiyen‘ is closest to the Bhavam in Tamil word அடியேன். So, ‘ADIYEN‘ was trying to provide a gestural answer by using the gif file by stating in the above thread as “……..So its up to the readers own mind boggling to consider what it would imply, so for our own safer side, when we write, lets attach the below gif file in every of our posts, so that the reader can pick which ever format is needed for them……..”

Does devareer get this point? That is another reason Adiyen need to keep more detailed explanations for each and everything, since we may not know which of the three Gunas are in peak on that moment, while one reads and write.

Anyway, No worries “Sharavan of Swami’s Upanyasams” Swami.

(ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

நமஸ்காரம் இளைய ஆழ்வார் சுவாமி,

அடியேனின் சிற்றரிவுக்கு தங்களுடைய விளக்கம் முழுமையாக புரியவில்லை…

அடியேன்.

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram “Sharavan of Swami’s Upanyasams” Swami,

Regarding devareer’s note on other thread as “(……….தங்களுடைய திருவடிகளை நான் மனதார பற்றி வணங்குகிறேன்) அடியேன்”

Adiyen would like to explain in relation to this thread devareer’s quest for understanding as mentioned “……அடியேனின் சிற்றரிவுக்கு தங்களுடைய விளக்கம் முழுமையாக புரியவில்லை…” 

This is common in Devotees initial stages of  Spiritualism, Bhakthi and Kainkaryam, common to All. So NO worries. Adiyen will elaborate little more with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham.

Like,

Step 1: saying just அடியேன் (transliteration as adiyen or adiyEN or Adiyen or ADIYEN) all means JUST “I” with Humbleness ONLY.

Step 2: This will populate next question அடியேன் what?

அடியேன் ராஜா (King) or அடியேன் தாஸன் (Servant). This is next step.

So, we devotees wanted to say அடியேன் தாஸன் (I’m Servant), which is better than அடியேன் (I with HUmbleness) ONLY,

Step 3: The Step2 itself doesn’t prove whose servant we are since it says merely as “I’m Servant” ONLY, Due to the fact that there are Satvik Gurus, Rajasik Gurus and Tamasik Gurus around, so when we say just அடியேன் தாஸன், then someone of Rjaasik or Tamsik Guru’s will start claiming that you are Dasan of mine, which is more dangerous situation. So for ones own safer side, we should pick the Satvik Guru name and say “I’m Servant of this particular Satvik Mahan“

So adiyen has noticed that many write without even saying “Step 1”, like Step0, “just blank signature at the end after answering“, This is more dangerous since we don’t know on whose Krupai their source of the answer is based upon. It will add confusion. Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s posts are exception, since our source of Knowledge is from Swami, but we cannot take that instance and leave signature as blank at the end.

So definitely,

Step1 by just saying அடியேன் (I with humbleness) is good compared to Step0, and

Step2 அடியேன் தாஸன் (I’m Servant) is better than Step1 but still not great, and

Step 3 அடியேன் XXXXXX தாஸன் (I’m Servant of this particular Satvik Mahan) is best than Step2, 

To avoid the confusion on whose name to to pick for Step3, we know Swami RamanujAr is the  Satvik JagadacharyAr , so we can use any names of Swami RamanujAr and fill in the XXXXX as:

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan or Adiyen UdayavAr Dasan or Adiyen ElayaAlwar Dasan etc……….

Adiyen has also noticed that since our Spiritual Knowledge is from Swami Ramanuja Sambhandhi Satvik Guru like Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami, one of the BhagavAta KP Swami used to say as “Adiyen Velukkudi Dasan“.

This post is not just for devareer, but also for all other devotees who wanted to be on safer side by following Step3, if not Step2 is dangerous since someone will claim you are my dasan if we leave it open as Adiyen Dasan since it doesn’t tell whose dasan we are?.

But one has the freedom to chose whose dasan one needs to be, better it be Satvik Guru for our own Athma UjjivanAm (No rebirth and permanent Kainkaryam) to get BhagavAt Krupai.

Adiyen Velukkudi Dasan,

AcharyAn ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,

(ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan,

UYYA ORAEY VAZHI UDAYAVAR THIRUVADI.

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

Yes true that we can state adiyen of Sri Raamanujar. 

But aren’t we “adiyen” of other jeevas as well, atleast whom we refer to as “swami” , else calling or addressing others as swami would not be meaningful. isn’t it?

Thirukachidaasanudasan

Adiyen

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

I guess it’s grammar of English. I use Adiyen instead of adiyen, because new letters in new lines should be Capital letters. I hope its correct.

Adiyen