Aatma inside Acit

Updated on August 15, 2019 in Holy Books
7 on August 13, 2019

Srimate Ramnujaye Namaha!

Namaskaram!

Swami i was hearing the Katho upanishad and Prashna Upanishad audios recently and it was explained that there are zero jnanam (100% covering i suppose) aatma even inside acit substances like table chair or stone etc.

Swami it is  not conceivable to understand this concept as I thought presence of aatma means, the corresponding acit housing the aatma, will grow , reproduce, dwindle and die etc. like plants animals humans etc.

Also it was said there can be many aatma inside any achit.  So how will they attain next body? and what happens if a stone is broken into two.. both parts will have many aatma inside them?

Also is there any sloka in Bhagavat Geeta that refers to this concept mentioned in Katho and prashna upanaishad?

Kindly clarify this swami as it may be a doubt for many of us.

Adiyen

 

 

 

 
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Swamy,

There are hundreds of answers in this forum. Adiyen tried searching. Posting closest one

Why Unlimited number of Sthavara (as well as Jangama) as compared to Manusyas ?

Please search Swamy Answers ellAm bayangaramA irukku onnu onnum super please check

Dasanudasan

on August 14, 2019

Srimate Ramanujaye namaha

Swami thanks for referring to a possible related link or thread.
Though this thread does discuss about existence of zero jananam aatma in achit, my questions were –

1) how do they get or gain jnanam and take future bodies? Because in human life we can do karma to overcome ajnanam but they cannot.

2)secondly..i suppose there are infinite aatma inside a single achit entity..so if the entity is physically separated as two parts..there will still be some aatmas in each individual achit entities..is that correct?

I am unable to get answers for these from the above thread..

Adiyen

on August 15, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Swamy based on Velukkudi Swamy’s explanation, when adiyen questioned long back about which athmA undergoes karma as there are lot of cells and stuff which is born and dies periodically Swamy said there is a “primary Athma” with dharma booths gyAnam

Dasanudasan

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Namaskaram,
Swamy,
Thathvam is 3- 1. chit, 2. Achit and 3. Paramaathma.achit never become chit or aathma.
you can refer to Enpani1117 aufio related to achit thathvam.
Adiyen,

on August 14, 2019

Namaskaram swami
Thank you very much for pointing to the correct audio.🙏
my doubt was clarified clearly..swami said that an atma because of some sin may get trapped inside acit and after the sin is exhausted he gets knowledge and a better body.
Adiyen

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

 

Beautiful reference Srinivasan BhagavAta about Swami’s audio #1117.

 

Enpanifan BhagavAta, Swami slso mentions the same in the above Prashna Upsnishad that BhagavAta pointed out in the initial thread. It’s is in audio #55, but pissed ble to kiss Swami’s point, because the subject is in-depth.

Also BhagavAta, Swami has said that the Athma doesn’t get Knowledge. It already has full knowledge (each one of us), but each one of us are not able to exhibit the Parathantra Gyanam (Servitude knowledge) due to the dirt (karma’s) covering it, like சேற்றில் விழுந்த மாணிக்கம் போல (Diamond fallen inside dirt)” .

Swami has said, Athma is like a Diamond, no need to impart light to it. It is Self Glowing ( ஸுயம் பிரகாஷ்ம் / Swayam Prakasham). So we all are Athma’s of equal Quality (Gyana Swaroopam with Predominant Parathantra Swaroopam), but covered with different levels of karma’s . So by BhagavAt /Alwar/Acharya Krupai, they remove/wipe our dirt (karma’s), so the the Athma’s (diamond) self glowing (Parathantra Gyanam) is visible, and it is not getting any knowledge, since it already has the knowledge (glowing).

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.

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Adiyenai shamikkanum. Reposting due to auto-fill words error. ‘Underlined’ the text for the typing error corrections. 

 

 

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

 

Beautiful reference Srinivasan BhagavAta about Swami’s audio #1117.

 

Enpanifan BhagavAta, Swami slso mentions the same in the above Prashna Upsnishad that BhagavAta pointed out in the initial thread. It’s is in audio #55, but possible to miss Swami’s point, because the subject is in-depth.

Also BhagavAta, Swami has said that the Athma doesn’t get Knowledge. It already has full knowledge (each one of us), but each one of us are not able to exhibit the Parathantra Gyanam (Servitude knowledge) due to the dirt (karma’s) covering it, like சேற்றில் விழுந்த மாணிக்கம் போல (Diamond fallen inside dirt)” .

Swami has said, Athma is like a Diamond, no need to impart light to it. It is Self Glowing ( ஸுயம் பிரகாஷ்ம் / Swayam Prakasham). So we all are Athma’s of equal Quality (Gyana Swaroopam with Predominant Parathantra Swaroopam), but covered with different levels of karma’s . So by BhagavAt /Alwar/Acharya Krupai, they remove/wipe our dirt (karma’s), so the the Athma’s (diamond) self glowing (Parathantra Gyanam) is visible, and it is not getting any knowledge, since it already has the knowledge (glowing).

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.

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