Why did Dhruva require conch (Sangu) after Sriman NArAyaNa sAkshAthkAram?

Updated on June 11, 2021 in Holy Books
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
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Swamy,
After Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram why did little Dhruvan require BhagavAn’s conch (Sangu) for shlokA initiation?

Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram is an end in itself isn’t it? Why Dhruva not going to pAthashAlA is shown as a reason?

PAthashAla padippu we saw how effective in PrahlAdhan’s case. Did PrahlAdhan sing lord Narasimha with new song or PAthashAlA educated song? Obviously new song because it is “Athi Adhbhutha Roopam” he wotness for the 1st time

By that time karmA should have vanished, Dhruvan should be at full Athma nyAnam and he should have had the ability to sing praises on BhagawAn.

What is the significance of Conch therapy? Why was it not applied to Bhaktha PrahlAdhan ?

Is there anything beyond Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram Swamy?

Any mistake please forgive
Kshamikkanum
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Dharmaarthi Praapnuyaat Dharmam Arthaarthi Chartham Aapnuyaat |
Kaamaan Avaapnuyaat Kaami Prajaarthi Chaapnuyaat Prajaah 

Even in approaching Perumal, one who has aarthi for dharmam he gets that; one who has aarthi for wealth, he gets that; one who approaches with specific desires he gets that, and one who has aarthi for progeny he gets that. But Perumal gives these in such a way that we realise the futility of these and seek Him (i.e. kainaryam to Him).

on June 9, 2021

@Kambandasan Swamy
“But Perumal gives these in such a way that we realise the futility of these and seek Him (i.e. kainaryam to Him).”

When?
As long as I am in this body, his leela maya will keep tightening me no matter what.

That too in this Kaliyuga ,like Velukkudi Swamy said “With All Android notifications around distracting us”

Eppo naa poradhu?

Alai eppo oyaradhu? Eppo PerumALA sevikkarafhu?

Sthala sayana PerumAL madhiri kaatchi kodupparA?

Acharyan thiruvadi Bhalam eppo seyal padum?

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Dasanudasan

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Sri:
Swamy,
After Adiyen learn this, PerumAL mela irundha konja nanja nambikkaiyum poiduthu.

Rasjas , Tamas is wrapping a jeevAthmA even after PerumAL sAkshAthkAram!

I thought if I see PerumAL all materialistic desires will Vanish.

I am always with high rajas and tamas & no sAthvikam at all whatsoever.

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say:
“Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’

Indha Aasai poganumnu dhAney avanai sevikkaren
Appo avan tharalai na yAr tharuvA?

Brahma tharalai na nyAyam
Naanmuganai Padaitha Sarveshwaran avanuma?

Ennamo idikkardhu Swamy!

Inga irundhu avanai mattum yAsikkiren nu solluvadhu “Muzhu Poi”

SamsAratha thAnda mudiyala nu dhAney avanai upAsikkirom?

Avan vandhum thara mAtAn endrAl appo avan edhukku nu kekkaren?

NAm jat endra vAyu Vaal soozha pattulllom

Prahladhanai pol, Swamy nammAzhwArai pol
SrimAn allan

We are bound for such pleasures

Avan mela grip eppadi kidaikkum? 🤔

Ennala sathiyama mudiyadhu
Avan dhAn thookki vidanum

Lakshmi Narasimham
Mama dehi karAvalambam

NArAyaNA
Dasanudasan

on June 9, 2021

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha!

Very interesting introspection swamy. Appreciate your honesty, only few can be so  honest and open.

May be Perumaal Sakshaatkaaram can give us mukthi, but only when we don’t have any other material motives , we may be able to see Him actually,  else we may not be able to see Him. ( Dhruva Maharajar might be an exception, we cannot apply our common logic to exalted persons , who are but instruments in Lord’s leela..).

By serving the pure devotees of The Lord,( Acharyas) and because of their prayers we will be able to  come to the position of having Darshan of the Lord..so only for very few rare souls the converse is true.. that by having Darshan of the Lord they get purified.. because without purity what we have is not darshan of Lord)

(Serving Acharyyas or devotees of the Lord may vary from menial service, hearing their discourses or reading their books and applying their instructions to please them)

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

 

 

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say: “Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’ From vikraminside

This understanding is not correct. Only if you pray to HIm that you want to go to heaven and enjoy pleasures there, He may send you there (and make you realise the futility of it). But, if you are praying “Perumale! I know there are these contaminating desires in my heart; but I am not praying for those desires to be fulfilled; By acharyan anugraham I have understood you are the prayojanam, and I am praying for that alone”, then He will grant this desire.

In other words, there may be so many ‘good’ and ‘bad’ desires in our heart. But, like a kalpa-tharu He only grants that which we intently pray to HIm for.  

adiyen dasan.

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say: “Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’ From vikraminside

This understanding is not correct. Only if you pray to HIm that you want to go to heaven and enjoy pleasures there, He may send you there (and make you realise the futility of it). But, if you are praying “Perumale! I know there are these contaminating desires in my heart; but I am not praying for those desires to be fulfilled; By acharyan anugraham I have understood you are the prayojanam, and I am praying for that alone”, then He will grant this desire.

In other words, there may be so many ‘good’ and ‘bad’ desires in our heart. But, like a kalpa-tharu He only grants that which we intently pray to HIm for.  

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Avan mela grip eppadi kidaikkum?
Ennala sathiyama mudiyadhu Avan dhAn thookki vidanumFrom vikraminside

கிடைத்துக்கொண்டுதானே இருக்கிறது! தங்களின் இந்த பிறவியை ஆராய்ந்து பாருங்கள். கடந்த ஐந்து ஆண்டுகளில் ஏற்பட்ட மாற்றங்கள் என்னென? பத்து வருடங்களில்? பதினைந்து வருடங்களில்? இருவது? முப்பது?  ரஜோ தமோகுணங்கள் குறைந்து கொண்டுதானே வருகிறது!

Instant காப்பி போல instant purification எதிர் பார்கிறீர் போலும்! But compared to eternity, purification in this one life is definitely ‘instantaneous’, no doubt.

Let us keep trying anuoolasya sankalpa and pratikoolyasya varjanam; the other 4 qualities of a saranagatha will gradually develop in us, and eventually we will be a completely surrendered person.

adiyen dasan. 

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Dhanyosmi for answering Adiyen’s question in EnPaNi 2133 Swamy
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Swamy,

Adiyen have two follow up questions, not sure if I am okay to ask in this thread or seperate thread. The above question is answered not doubt in requesting Moksha prApthi any more.

1. Why Kumbhakaran was about to ask “Nirdevathvam” but it was changed to “Nidrevatvam” by Saraswathi devi ?

Why can’t Perumal make us ask Moksham in same way?

At least one needs to have tasted sweet laddu once then only one knows it’s taste. One not tasted Moksham even once , how will one ask?

Theriyadhu vishayatha eppadi kekkardhu?

Ravanan & Hiranyakashipu was granted why not Kumbhakaran?

Mantram has to do its job no matter who chants it.

Only verbal request counts or intention counts?

If I want to ask Moksham but tongue twisted during death will PerumAL change my course?

2. MahalAbali broke SukrAchAryA’s word.
Did mahAbali submit himself to PerumAL without AchAryA’s permission? Is it not Athma Nivedanam?

Purpose mukkiyama illai samarpanam mukkiyama?

சுக்கிரன் கண்ணை துரும்பால் கிளறிய
சக்கர கையனே அச்சோ அச்சோ சங்கம் இடத்தானே அச்சோ அச்சோ

Kshamikka Prarthikkiren
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Swamy 3rd question

“Na cha punar Avarthathey ”
nu SriVaikuntam definition

“Yoddhum na Shakya Aydhoya”
Nu devar sAdhichirukkeer

Appo ivA mattum eppadi poitu vandhA? 🤔

Dasanudasan

on June 10, 2021

Swamy got answer
Aghaditha Ghatana sAmarthyam
Dhanyosmi
Dasanudasan

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நான் பெருமாளை பார்ப்பதற்கும்
பெருமாள் தன்னை காண்பிப்பதற்க்கும்
வித்தியாசம் உள்ளதா இல்லையா?

ஸ்வத சித்தம்

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

All remember one thing

Nam bhakthiyin palA palan nam Ashrayitha AchAryanaiye sArum

Adiyen did not demean NAradar
Nahi NindA nyAyam nu peru

Our periyavAs have employed this technique to uphold a specific perumAL

For eg: Narasimha UpAsakA say NarasimhA is great as others have lesser qualities

Bhu varAha upAsakA say varAhar is best as others have some fault

Krishna upAsakA say he is best as even RAmA has one less quality.

VichAram panninA dhAn perumai velippadum

Ramanujar conversion ratio higher than NAradar

NAradar was upset in Kaliyugam as per Srimath BhAgavatham

While udayavar made it happen

Sathyam Sathyam PunA Sathyam
YathirAjo Jagath Guru:

Dasanudasan

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Brahma vandhAr moksham kudukka mudiyala
Vishnu vandhAr avarum kudukkala

Dhruvan yemAndhu poitAn

Yenda kekkala?

Marandhu poiten amma!!!

Ippa yen varutha padra?

Annikki kekka thonala!!!

NAradar solli tharalaiyA?

Avar sonnAr nan dhan kekkala

En mela dhan thappu

Avar enna seivAr. Enakku Guru Anandhu dhan avar senja thappu!!!

Narayana

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Unga payyan exam ezhudha koodathu
Yen?
Below average student
Avan dhAna ezhudha porAn?
Low marks, schoolukku ketta Peru

Student thana fail?
School yaen poruppu yaethukkanum?
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