Why did Dhruva require conch (Sangu) after Sriman NArAyaNa sAkshAthkAram?

Updated on June 11, 2021 in Holy Books
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
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Swamy,
After Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram why did little Dhruvan require BhagavAn’s conch (Sangu) for shlokA initiation?

Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram is an end in itself isn’t it? Why Dhruva not going to pAthashAlA is shown as a reason?

PAthashAla padippu we saw how effective in PrahlAdhan’s case. Did PrahlAdhan sing lord Narasimha with new song or PAthashAlA educated song? Obviously new song because it is “Athi Adhbhutha Roopam” he wotness for the 1st time

By that time karmA should have vanished, Dhruvan should be at full Athma nyAnam and he should have had the ability to sing praises on BhagawAn.

What is the significance of Conch therapy? Why was it not applied to Bhaktha PrahlAdhan ?

Is there anything beyond Bhagavath sAkshAthkAram Swamy?

Any mistake please forgive
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Because prahladh had acharyar sri naradhar krubai and he already got spiritually initiated in womb , he is கருவிலே திரு பெற்றவர், so he is exception.

on June 8, 2021

Garbha SrimAn
Adiyen was thinking in same lines but Dhruvan’s AchAryan also NAradar only.

What is the difference?

Dasanudasan

But he did not request for spiritual initiation since in the womb prahlad agreed when naradha asked if he could explain bhagavatham there was no motive for fetus state of prahladh,But dhruv he just asked instructions on how to meditate on paramathma because dhruv was more spiteful against his step mom suruchi and was not concentrated on his spiritual realization ,if you study bhagavatham carefully ,this is truth.While Naradha can’t give brahma gnana to sishya if he did not ask for it.

on June 9, 2021

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Adiyen feel devareer shoul re-listen to our SwAmy’s UpanyAsam

Dhruvan is arguing with NaradA and not accepting any of his alternatives other than BhagavAn

As a child his intention may be to access father’s lap but after ghOra Tapas how can he still be considered an agyAni child?

Was Valmiki the same after RAma nAma Tapas?

Then what do you state “Dhruv did not ask for Brahma GyAnam”?

There are some missing dots to be connected.
My mother said “The way I asked this question is wrong and not acceptable”

So Adiyen is retracting this question.

@Admins please delete this question.

Dasanudasan

I think Vikram still has tough time accepting certain things after tolerance🤣🤣🤣🤣 it does not diminish facts it still prevails,It’s clearly in srimad bhagavatham text and swamy’s upanyasams, he wanted instructions for meditation and position above all three worlds initially to Narada ,this inturn means he was still interested in materialistic things,he was still under control of rajas ,thamas but he felt bad at the end that he missed asking moksham immediately but he was satisfied with bhagavans wish and decision.While Valmiki already gave up materialistic wants ,afraid of sins and purposefully wanted brahma gnanam and surrendered on asking what to do.

on June 9, 2021

What’s your name buddy?

on June 9, 2021

Swamy,

Okay if Prayojanam is PerumAL only, those tapas will fruitify else even Bhagawan comes in front no use.

Got it Swamy.

Appo PerumAL sAkshAthkarichum use illa nu solla vareL.

Dasanudasan

Yes this is where vasana,raga,dhvesa comes into play because in his previous jenma he was a friend of king ,although he was a brahmana he desired his opulence.

Even older Dhruva still had rajas even after perumal gave him boon he waged tremendous war against yakshas when the same brother was killed by one yaksha ,he later was calmed down by rishis.So nobody is exception to vasanas,krotham,kama, etc.

on June 9, 2021

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Dharmaarthi Praapnuyaat Dharmam Arthaarthi Chartham Aapnuyaat |
Kaamaan Avaapnuyaat Kaami Prajaarthi Chaapnuyaat Prajaah 

Even in approaching Perumal, one who has aarthi for dharmam he gets that; one who has aarthi for wealth, he gets that; one who approaches with specific desires he gets that, and one who has aarthi for progeny he gets that. But Perumal gives these in such a way that we realise the futility of these and seek Him (i.e. kainaryam to Him).

on June 9, 2021

@Kambandasan Swamy
“But Perumal gives these in such a way that we realise the futility of these and seek Him (i.e. kainaryam to Him).”

When?
As long as I am in this body, his leela maya will keep tightening me no matter what.

That too in this Kaliyuga ,like Velukkudi Swamy said “With All Android notifications around distracting us”

Eppo naa poradhu?

Alai eppo oyaradhu? Eppo PerumALA sevikkarafhu?

Sthala sayana PerumAL madhiri kaatchi kodupparA?

Acharyan thiruvadi Bhalam eppo seyal padum?

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

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Sri:
Swamy,
After Adiyen learn this, PerumAL mela irundha konja nanja nambikkaiyum poiduthu.

Rasjas , Tamas is wrapping a jeevAthmA even after PerumAL sAkshAthkAram!

I thought if I see PerumAL all materialistic desires will Vanish.

I am always with high rajas and tamas & no sAthvikam at all whatsoever.

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say:
“Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’

Indha Aasai poganumnu dhAney avanai sevikkaren
Appo avan tharalai na yAr tharuvA?

Brahma tharalai na nyAyam
Naanmuganai Padaitha Sarveshwaran avanuma?

Ennamo idikkardhu Swamy!

Inga irundhu avanai mattum yAsikkiren nu solluvadhu “Muzhu Poi”

SamsAratha thAnda mudiyala nu dhAney avanai upAsikkirom?

Avan vandhum thara mAtAn endrAl appo avan edhukku nu kekkaren?

NAm jat endra vAyu Vaal soozha pattulllom

Prahladhanai pol, Swamy nammAzhwArai pol
SrimAn allan

We are bound for such pleasures

Avan mela grip eppadi kidaikkum? 🤔

Ennala sathiyama mudiyadhu
Avan dhAn thookki vidanum

Lakshmi Narasimham
Mama dehi karAvalambam

NArAyaNA
Dasanudasan

on June 9, 2021

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha!

Very interesting introspection swamy. Appreciate your honesty, only few can be so  honest and open.

May be Perumaal Sakshaatkaaram can give us mukthi, but only when we don’t have any other material motives , we may be able to see Him actually,  else we may not be able to see Him. ( Dhruva Maharajar might be an exception, we cannot apply our common logic to exalted persons , who are but instruments in Lord’s leela..).

By serving the pure devotees of The Lord,( Acharyas) and because of their prayers we will be able to  come to the position of having Darshan of the Lord..so only for very few rare souls the converse is true.. that by having Darshan of the Lord they get purified.. because without purity what we have is not darshan of Lord)

(Serving Acharyyas or devotees of the Lord may vary from menial service, hearing their discourses or reading their books and applying their instructions to please them)

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

 

 

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say: “Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’ From vikraminside

This understanding is not correct. Only if you pray to HIm that you want to go to heaven and enjoy pleasures there, He may send you there (and make you realise the futility of it). But, if you are praying “Perumale! I know there are these contaminating desires in my heart; but I am not praying for those desires to be fulfilled; By acharyan anugraham I have understood you are the prayojanam, and I am praying for that alone”, then He will grant this desire.

In other words, there may be so many ‘good’ and ‘bad’ desires in our heart. But, like a kalpa-tharu He only grants that which we intently pray to HIm for.  

adiyen dasan.

So even if I want Perumal to be Prayojanam he will come down & say: “Hey Vikram, you want to go to heaven and enjoy with Ramba, Oorvasi, Menaka but why cheating me as if you want Moksham?’ From vikraminside

This understanding is not correct. Only if you pray to HIm that you want to go to heaven and enjoy pleasures there, He may send you there (and make you realise the futility of it). But, if you are praying “Perumale! I know there are these contaminating desires in my heart; but I am not praying for those desires to be fulfilled; By acharyan anugraham I have understood you are the prayojanam, and I am praying for that alone”, then He will grant this desire.

In other words, there may be so many ‘good’ and ‘bad’ desires in our heart. But, like a kalpa-tharu He only grants that which we intently pray to HIm for.  

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Avan mela grip eppadi kidaikkum?
Ennala sathiyama mudiyadhu Avan dhAn thookki vidanumFrom vikraminside

கிடைத்துக்கொண்டுதானே இருக்கிறது! தங்களின் இந்த பிறவியை ஆராய்ந்து பாருங்கள். கடந்த ஐந்து ஆண்டுகளில் ஏற்பட்ட மாற்றங்கள் என்னென? பத்து வருடங்களில்? பதினைந்து வருடங்களில்? இருவது? முப்பது?  ரஜோ தமோகுணங்கள் குறைந்து கொண்டுதானே வருகிறது!

Instant காப்பி போல instant purification எதிர் பார்கிறீர் போலும்! But compared to eternity, purification in this one life is definitely ‘instantaneous’, no doubt.

Let us keep trying anuoolasya sankalpa and pratikoolyasya varjanam; the other 4 qualities of a saranagatha will gradually develop in us, and eventually we will be a completely surrendered person.

adiyen dasan. 

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Why do you worry too much Vikram Swamy?The problem you are facing still 99 percent of people face ,atleast we are blessed with acharya paadham,we can grip on to that,Nobody is perfect to judge.So Breathe in haha🤣🤣🤣

They can all give their views but they know nothing about you,They are giving their approach to handle things that they have experienced or gone through.Noone can give solution to your vasana,praraptha except acharyas because it depends on individual,acharya is care taker.

But One is definitely in trouble ,Only in the case when your ego does not permit to bend down even to acharya.

Most of the time if you dont spend time in finding fault in others or obsessing over others faults,rather than your improvement, the intensity pacifies.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Dhanyosmi for answering Adiyen’s question in EnPaNi 2133 Swamy
Dasanudasan
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Swamy,

Adiyen have two follow up questions, not sure if I am okay to ask in this thread or seperate thread. The above question is answered not doubt in requesting Moksha prApthi any more.

1. Why Kumbhakaran was about to ask “Nirdevathvam” but it was changed to “Nidrevatvam” by Saraswathi devi ?

Why can’t Perumal make us ask Moksham in same way?

At least one needs to have tasted sweet laddu once then only one knows it’s taste. One not tasted Moksham even once , how will one ask?

Theriyadhu vishayatha eppadi kekkardhu?

Ravanan & Hiranyakashipu was granted why not Kumbhakaran?

Mantram has to do its job no matter who chants it.

Only verbal request counts or intention counts?

If I want to ask Moksham but tongue twisted during death will PerumAL change my course?

2. MahalAbali broke SukrAchAryA’s word.
Did mahAbali submit himself to PerumAL without AchAryA’s permission? Is it not Athma Nivedanam?

Purpose mukkiyama illai samarpanam mukkiyama?

சுக்கிரன் கண்ணை துரும்பால் கிளறிய
சக்கர கையனே அச்சோ அச்சோ சங்கம் இடத்தானே அச்சோ அச்சோ

Kshamikka Prarthikkiren
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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Swamy 3rd question

“Na cha punar Avarthathey ”
nu SriVaikuntam definition

“Yoddhum na Shakya Aydhoya”
Nu devar sAdhichirukkeer

Appo ivA mattum eppadi poitu vandhA? 🤔

Dasanudasan

on June 10, 2021

Swamy got answer
Aghaditha Ghatana sAmarthyam
Dhanyosmi
Dasanudasan

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Still more inquisitive than last time🤣🤣🤣none changed yet in respective to indivitual vaidika path or not?no regards to that,ishvaro rahshathu.Years will be passing we don’t have much time my friend.

on June 11, 2021

Sri Udayavar Swamy,

Adiyen don’t understand Greek & Latin. Please elaborate your thought process.

Let me that Hiranyakashipu as long as Narasimhar will kill me I will be happy.

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

My only thing,

Perumal should not ignore anyone because his child is babbling (மழலை சொல்).

I am sure we don’t know what to ask when he comes in front.

அப்போதைக்கு இப்போதே சொல்லி வைத்தேன்

Perumal should not give any lame reason to put child into further birth & death cycles

It is his responsibility to make the child understand the importance of Moksham via AzhwAr AchAryAs.

If NAradA muni did not explain a 5 year old about Moksham it is his mistake not DhruvA’s mistake.

If the child could not understand at that point in time may be some alternative pAth should have been considered.

Kuzhandhai don’t know eating more sweets will bring MAndham (Mandham). It’s parent’s responsibility to let it stop eating.

In this case we are talking about a real 5 year old.

Perumal enna venalum nenachukattum this is my humble opinion

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Even my Velukkudi Swamy will accept , Adiyen will quote with historical facts

Did VidhurA knew what to do when Sri Krishna came in front?

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Did SudhAmA ask money from Krishna?

No. Marandhu poidum.

Do we list all our wishes in Tirumala Venkateswara Swamy

After all “Jarigandi”?

Marandhu poidum

We forget

When PerumaL is filled in us

We forget everything else

Do what will you ask?

Tell meeeeeeee

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

Therefore little DhruvA also forgot after seeing PerumAL.

Namakkey marandhu poidrathu

Pacha kuzhandha mela pazhiya pottA enna artham?

Gajendra kitta PerumAL enna kaetAr?

“You wanted to put lotus on my lotus feets?,

See it is on my lotus feets”

PerumAL reminded Gajendara as he knew Gajendra will forget everything after seeing him

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

தடுத்து ஆட் கொள்வான்
திருத்தி பணி கொள்வான்

என் பெருமாள்

on June 11, 2021

Swamy ஆளவந்தார் கதை என்ன?

Yamunacharya
After years of rule, Mannakal Nambi tricked him into visiting the temple of Ranganatha. There, he had an epiphany and gave up the material duties of a king and became a sanyasin embracing saranagati.

Please check early life section

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Yamunacharya

AchAryAl should “TRICK” jeevan into SharanAgathi

Dasanudasan

on June 11, 2021

Swamy,

Pillai Urangavalli Dasar, a desciple of Sri Ramanujar. When Sri Ramanuja saw him for the first time, Pillai Urangavalli Dasar was very much fond of his wife. He would spread a mat for her to walk and also hold an umbrella to protect her from sun. Sri Ramanuja was baffled by this and enquired him about doing so. Urangavalli Dasar replied that he very much loved his wife’s beauty and her eyes especially. Ramanujar asked what would he do if he showed someone even more beautiful, to which Urangavalli Dasar replied that he would serve such a person throughout his life. Sri Ramanujar showed him Sri Ranganathar, the deity of Sri Rangam. Pillai Urangavalli Dasar was immediately moved by the Lord’s beauty and became his servant and also became a disciple of Sri Ramanuja.

Pillai Urangavalli Dasar Thirunakshatram

Udayavar thiruthalayA?

NAradhar thothuttAr
RAmanujar JeyichuttAr

எப்பொழுதும் எதிராசன் வடிவழகு
என் இதயத்தில் உள்ளதால்
இல்லை எனக்கு எதிர் இல்லை எனக்கு எதிர் இல்லை எனக்கு எதிரே

My acharyan is reminding me all these

Kshamithu Arula வேண்டுகிறேன்
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please listen 2130

NAradhar thothuttArFrom vikraminside

Vikram swamy, please reevaluate this perception.

ஒர் தாய் தன் குழந்தைக்கு உணவை நங்கு சமைத்து, கலந்து, மசித்து நேரே வாயில் ஊட்டலாம். ஆனால் அக்குழந்தை அவ்வுணவை விழுங்காமல் துப்பினால், “சரி உனக்கு பசிக்கும் போது வா, அப்போது ஊட்டுகிறேன்” என்று விடுவதும் சரியே. இது தோல்வி அல்ல. This is the right strategy considering the long term interest of the child. In contrast, if she keeps on trying to push the food inside the month by force or by even gentle means, it may lead the child to dislike the food or not appreciate the importance of food. So, a wise mother lets the child experience a little hunger before feeding, so that the child knows the value of food. With hunger the child will relish the food and eat more and get nourished properly and become healthy; that is her goal.

Similarly with acharyas. Definitely Narada knows how to handle each student. He is such a great teacher who can teach even a demon’s child when he is still in the womb. He can convert a dacoit to a great sage by giving him “mara mara” to chant. 

When our mind perceives defect in such a great teacher , we can easily conclude the defect is in our perception; not him.

One big problem with this kind of approach is, today we may find defect in Narada’s teaching; tomorrow with Vyasa’s writing, then progress to find the defects in Ramanujacharya,….. down to the acharya who is representing their mercy to us. This kind of progression will push us down the abyss.

That is why Perumal is very kind; when we tend to make such errors in judgement, He kindly arranges the opportunity for us to hear enpani 2130; he kindly arranges some insignificant துரும்பு to convey the correct perception through dharma sandheham forum. Now it is up to us to take it or not. He will not force anything upon us.

 

adiyen dasan.

 

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நான் பெருமாளை பார்ப்பதற்கும்
பெருமாள் தன்னை காண்பிப்பதற்க்கும்
வித்தியாசம் உள்ளதா இல்லையா?

ஸ்வத சித்தம்

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

All remember one thing

Nam bhakthiyin palA palan nam Ashrayitha AchAryanaiye sArum

Adiyen did not demean NAradar
Nahi NindA nyAyam nu peru

Our periyavAs have employed this technique to uphold a specific perumAL

For eg: Narasimha UpAsakA say NarasimhA is great as others have lesser qualities

Bhu varAha upAsakA say varAhar is best as others have some fault

Krishna upAsakA say he is best as even RAmA has one less quality.

VichAram panninA dhAn perumai velippadum

Ramanujar conversion ratio higher than NAradar

NAradar was upset in Kaliyugam as per Srimath BhAgavatham

While udayavar made it happen

Sathyam Sathyam PunA Sathyam
YathirAjo Jagath Guru:

Dasanudasan

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