Srimatae Ramanujaya Namaha,
Srimad Vara Vara Munaye Namaha,
Sri Srinivasa MahaGuruvae Namaha,
Respected Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami,
Adiyen’udaya Dhanda Pranamatthai Sweekarikka Prathikkiraen.
From Devareer’s upanyasams, it is very clear that ParamaAthma Sriman Narayanan is waiting for so long for the all the BhaddhaAthmas to reach SriVaikuntam, and Perumal is constantly doing HIS effort to attain HIS sotthu (JeevAthma). Finally with Acharyar Krupai after multiple janmas, the BhaddhaAthmas reaches SriVaikuntam (Perumal erases all karmas to zero) and becomes MukthaAthmas and then Serves Nithya Kainkaryam to BhagavAn and ALL in SriVaikuntam Permanent Anandham.
So, it is crystal clear that a JeevaAthma reaching SriVaikuntam and Perumal doing HIS effort constantly is the whole truth.
In the past, adiyen got Samasrayanam (Pancha Samskaram plus Prapatti) with Devareer Anugraham and Acharyar Krupai. After that, adiyen started having a feeling about JeevAthma and ParamaAthma which is DWELLING in adiyen mind from the very first night of samasrayanam. Adiyen don’t know how this feeling or concern popped-up in adiyen’s mind from no where. Adiyen couldn’t sleep that night and now also at times because of the following concern. Adiyen did not ask this question to anyone as adiyen was ashamed, if people will make fun of it, if adiyen’s thinking was foolish. But still adiyen would like to ask to Devareer, since Devareer has both Gyanam and Sneham.
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Adiyen’s concern:
Perumal is residing as AntaraAthma in each of the JeevaAthmas. Each JeevaAthma is Gyana Swaroopam (swayam prakasham), but due to the Karmas/Anaadhi kaala vaasanas bounded on them, each JeevaAthma get different bodies and exhibit different behaviour till they attain SriVaikuntam.
JeevaAthma has Dharmik Gyanam which always says “NAAN-NAAN-NAAN-…..”. It’s DharmaBhootha Gyanam is spread through out in the respective Sthoola bodies, with which the Athman feels pleasure/pain via Praanan and again accumulates the karmas/vasanaas. But inturn, the JeevaAthma itself is HELD (Thaangupavar) by PramaAthma who is residing in the JeevAthma as AntaraAthma by “AnuPravesham”.
So inside a Sthoola body, the JeevaAthma resides and inturn inside a JeevAthma, the ParamaAthma resides as AntharaAthma (Vishnur), though BhagavAn also exibhit kalyana gunam Vishavam (everything is inside HIM) and Vipu (Vyapaka thanmai).
Concern1:
The pleasure/pain is not experienced by the sthoola body, instead the JeevaAthma inside the body feels it. But, the ParamAthma is inturn inside the JeevaAthma, so in actual, “is the ParamaAthma the one who actually feels the pain/pleasure?”. Same like how a Sthoola body (Achetanam) cannot understand the pain/pleasure experienced by a JeevaAthma (Chetanam). Is this the same way JeevaAthma cannot understand that ParamaAthma is the one who actually feels the pain/pleasure?. How to justify from JeevaAthma perspective?.
Concern 2:
In continuation with Concern 1.
When a JeevaAthma don’t get a Sthoola body, it neither feels pain/pleasure nor it realizes it’s circumstances when lying on dirt or foul areas. But still the AntaraAthma of that JeevaAthma is always aware of the circumstances which puts adiyen in more painful thinking that ParamaAthma is lying in dirt and foul areas and still realizing it, when JeevAthma doesn’t realize it. So eventually it leads to a question that a JeevaAthma realizes it’s presence in the Samsaram and the sufferings it undergoes only when it gets a sthoola body and no feeling on other times, but ParamaAthma residing in that JeevaAthma always realizes it’s presence in samsaram and suffers. Like adiyen don’t even remember the sufferings that adiyen had undergone while in Hell before this birth, but ParamaAthma inside adiyen has sufferred at that time and ParamaAthma in each of the millions of JeevaAthmas in Hell is suffering as we speak.
So should a JeevaAthma attaining SriVaikuntam is important or each of the JeevaAthma should keep insisting its own AntaraAthma (ParamaAthma) to go to SriVaikuntam, since the actual sufferer is the ParamaAthma compared to the JeevaAthma. JeevaAthma will automatically get Moksham anyway since the AntaraAthma itself went to Moksham, like how when we do a physical activity, the sweating is an outcome, and we don’t do activity for the purpose of sweating.
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Devareer has said in another Upanyasam that for a JeevaAthma to make one thinking/ninaivu, BhagavAn does 6 different thinking/ninaivu (Karthritvam, Kaarayarthritvam, Udaseenatvam, Anumanthritvam, Sakakaritvam, Phalapradhatvam). So adiyen is not sure if the above concerns are adiyen’s own thinking based on adiyen’s karmas/vasanaas or this is BhagavAn’s ninaivu itself, or other JeevaAthmas also has same thinking as adiyen.
Swami, adiyen don’t have Whatsapp facility, if Devareer could respond with related answer in Dharma Sandeha or direct to the appropriate Devareer’s CD’S for answer or upload in Enpani after #425, that will be helpful.
Kindly please clarify when time permits or Devareer sankalpam or BhagavAt sankalpam.
Adiyenudaya kelvigal Devareerukku Kuraiyaga pattaal, Adiyenudaya Mooda’thanathayum-Agyana’thayum shamikka prathikkiraen.
Acharyar ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,
Adiyen Srinivasa Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi
Alwar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.
ThayarPerumal Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu
