Whether Saranagathan belongs to Fifth வர்ணம் namely Bhagavathar குலம்?

Updated on July 29, 2025 in General
4 on April 11, 2025

Swamy,

Namaskaram.

adiyen was listening to the upanyasam on

“த்ருப்த ப்ரபத்தி-Thruptha Prapatti-மெய்யறிவும் வீடுபேறும் – Episode – 46”

in Kinchit Dharmam youtube channel by Sri. Nanadkumara Ramanuja dasan, which is uploaded today (10.09.2023).

The link is https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=oDc8vS7lG7c

During the time 14:00 to 17:00 min, he has mentioned that the saranagathan belongs to fifth வர்ணம் namely Bhagavathar குலம்.  

adiyen is hearing for the first time.

Request to clarify.

He has been giving upanyasam on various topics regularly. I believe, the speaker is well knowledgable and provides authentic details. Since, adiyen have a little bit uncertainty, I am posting this.

The idea of posting is to get the clarity and not to find any fault. 

adiyen

Sri Vaishnava dasan

 
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Swamy,

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adiyen

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1 on July 29, 2025

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

What Swami says in 14:00 minutes is about Non-sharanagathas and Sharanagathas.

In general, beforeor sharanagathy, everyone belongs to the four Labour system based on their Ashrama dharma.
Brahmanas, kShatriyas, Vaishyas and Shudras. For all of these four non-sharanagathas, the standard shastric rule applies like paapa, punya, prayaschitham etc.

When one from any of the above four varnas becomes a Sharagathan on Sriman NarayanA lotus feet through Acharya ThiruvAdi, then they don’t come under the above four classifications. They are distinticly called as “Prapanna Kulam (Dasas of BhagavAn Sriman NarayanA)”. If you carefully listenn again, Swami starts with the preface at 13:39 saying as “Prapanna Kulam”, then later He says this as a Fifth Kulam, just to imply that one who belongs to Prapanna Kulam are distinct from the standard above four classifications of non-sharanagathas. It’s a privilege.

Once we belong to Prapanna Kulam (fifth varna), then how do we spent time in rest of this janma till we reach ParamaPadham (Moksham) through Acharyar Ramanuja’s grace?. We can only do things that we know of. It’s nothing but to continue ones own pre-varnashrama dharmam that one knows of, for rest of the life while in Prapanna Kulam. That’s the gist of Swami’s speech in the link you mentioned.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa _DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on July 29, 2025

Typo error. It’s at 13:29 onwards minutes instead 13:39 minutes.

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