Adiyen Srinivasa Dasan.

A small story recited by swami comes to adiyens’s mind.

A great jeeyar swami in srirangam (couldnt remember the name) once conceived sudarshana shathakam to give good health. But koorathazhwan opined that it is kaamyam and is not recommended. However, the jeeyar swami accepted it and thought there may be a time when it is useful. An araiyar swami fell sick and got cured by recitation of sudrashana shathakam by th ejeeyar swami. The jeeyar swami humbly asked koorathazhwan that this was used only for kainkaryam, hence is it good. The reply from koorathazhwan was “bhagavan will take care if he needs kainkaryam from that jeevatma”. Still it is not recommended.

That was the nishtai of koorathazhwan.

There are many anecdotes in koorathazhwan life history like he was hesitant to ask for marriage of his sons (ishwara prakruthikku kavalai paduvaar naam yaar), he refrained from asking his own eyes to Varadaraja perumal.

However, there is also an opinion that if we are fully brahma gyanis and consider this shareeram as bhagavan’s shareeram then we can take care of it. However, it is highly diffiult to attain such state of mind.

Hope this clarifies devareer’s doubts.

Vaachaka dishathai kshamikka praarthikkiren.

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Excellent tricky question and equally good answer Swamins.

Such interesting questions make the forum more interesting.

“The jeeyar swami humbly asked koorathazhwan that this was used only for kainkaryam, hence is it good. The reply from koorathazhwan was “bhagavan will take care if he needs kainkaryam from that jeevatma”

This adiyen listened yesterday or day before in SVBC2 from Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy.

Let us remember Karna withstood the bee ? bite vandu kadi while Parashurama questioned about his Brahminical nature.

Withstanding pain is not Brahmin’s cup of tea. Morattu bhakthi is not demanded by Vishnu at any cost.

Swamy KoorathAzhwan may be siddha Purushan. So Swamy bore the pain in the eye burn. Swamy could read Brahma Sutram in one night at one go. Swamy said “yAm pettra vAzhvu nAloorAnum peruga”

If it was me adiyen would have scolded that fellow who was the reason to my current state. Exceptions are NOT examples.

Can we do? Of course not.

Krishna Premi Anna Swamy used to say at the end of namakam, chamakam or rudram we ask for “Yagnyo yagnena kalpathAm” (just did phonetical transliteration).

Meaning I ask for all these wellfare to do the yagnya. I do the yagnya to do the yagnyam. Yagyathukkagava yagyam pandren.

It’s a dharma kAryam.

Krishna Premi Anna used to say ” We say kAmyam is inferior but the one who actually needs will know the value of it”

Adhavadhu kashta padravalukku dhan kAmyArtha bhakthi arumai theriyum. kAmyArtha bhakthi inferior nu pesarthukku nanna irukkum but time vandha Yara irundhaalum keppA.

Comparing to Moksham everything else will feel inferior but in reality in this material world we have to come over regular obstacles to do kainkaryam.

Example if adiyen is employed only adiyen can contribute to Kinchit. Illati epadi dhana Dharmam Panna mudiyum?

While having kurai and singing “kurai ondrum illai” to Perumal is like hiding something and Singing something else.

We have to be honest when it comes to GOD.

Kshamikka Prarthikkiren

Dasanudasan

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Dear All BhagavAtas,

Beautiful satsangam referring to Swami’s Pravachanams,

Swami in “Varadarajar100” EP1 @18 minutes concludes, summarizes BhagavAtas conversations about “Kaamya karma” with Swami Koirthazhvaan’s Anugraham as”

https://www.youtube.com/playlist?list=PL8YgY6vzfFVIxYJSmpi3-QLRDfkmQtSgN

“சொத்துக்கு சுவாமியாக இருப்பது யார் ராஜா (Raja/Mudhalaali) means தேவராஜா பெருமாள்.

நாம் எல்லாம் சொத்து ஸ்வமியாக இருக்கும் பெருமாளுக்கு.

“என் குடும்பம் நல்லா இருக்கணும், என் பொண்ணு பிள்ளை எல்லாம் நல்லா இருக்கணும், எல்லாம் நம்ம பெருமாள் கிட்ட கெட்டுகொல்களாம் (Kaamya karma), அது ஒன்றும் தப்பு இல்லை. ஆனால் கூடவே தேவரீர் தான் எல்லாம் என்கிற gyanatthayum (knowledge) பிரார்த்தித்து கொள்வோம். தேவரீர் தான் சுவாமி உடையவர், நான் தாசன் உடமை என்கிற புத்தி என்னை விட்டு போகாமல் பார்த்து கொள்ள வேண்டும்.”

So Swami with KARUNAI says we can ask kaamya karma provided we also ask the PRIMARY  knowledge to make us remember that we are always sotthu (property) of BhagavAn VaradaRaja Perumal.

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As Swami always, we need to use a Uvamaanam (Materialistic Reference) to explain the Uvameyam (Divine Object/Subject to be known).

So for Jolly, Uvamaanam (from Agni Nakshathiram) about Uvameyam (Rajaj/Perumal)

https://youtu.be/2CYWWDLWv04

ராஜா (Perumal)
ராஜாதி ராஜன் இந்த ராஜா (King of all Devas and for everyone)
கூஜா (Kaamyam)
தூக்காதே வேறு எங்கும் கூஜா (Don’t go anywhere else begging for Kaamyam, go again to Perumal)

நேற்று இல்லே நாளை இல்லே
எப்பவும் நான் ராஜா
நேற்று இல்லே நாளை இல்லே
எப்பவும் நான் ராஜா……(Not just today or 40 yrs before or previous Yuga or in the past, I’M  still the ONLY King (Raja) at all times and ages”).

கோட்டையில்லே கொடியுமில்லே
அப்பவும் நான் ராஜா (even when I’m buried under water or soil without any sanctum, no Archanai etc… still ‘I’M the ONLY KING (Raja)).

So, PERUMAL WILL GIVE BOTH KAAMYAM AND MOKSHSM THROUGH ACHARYA THIRUVADI, so don’t go anywhere else. So ask both to Perumal.

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In present situation during our life period, Our “Raja (Mudhalaali)  is our Sri Velukkudi Swami.

Another Uvamaanam from “Nallavanukku Nallavan” for Uvameyam (Swami),

நல்லவருக்கு நல்லவரு நாணயந்தான் உள்ளவரு
தொழிலாளி வர்க்கத்திலே ஒருத்தரா இருப்பவரு
நல்லாயிருக்கனும் நாளும் சிரிக்கணும்
எல்லா மனசுகளும் வாயார வாழ்த்தனும்
நம்ம  முதலாளிகளில் நல்ல முதலாளி,
வெள்ளை மனம், பிள்ளை குணம் உள்ள முதலாளி……….Our Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami…,????

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,

Rajadhi Raja Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Maharaj Ki Jai,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

Thanks, Chowkhidhar Swami.

May adiyen interpret your views as kaamya karmam is not incorrect provided we don’t own the karma  and understand that bhagawan and acharyan are our supreme masters.

Velukkudi Swami has also several times clarified us that “vedam sonna karmathai vittuttu moksham kidaiyadhu (while explaining Charama Shlokam)”. But we must continue to do them with kartrutva, mamata, and phala tyagam.

In that case, how the vedic karmas such as agnishtomas, somayagams, haviryagnams, etc., have almost become hypothetical today?

We know even our own Jagatacharyar Udayavar’s father was a Somayaji (meaning somebody who is an exponent in performing somayagams) belonging to the same yugam (kali) where we are also present, but how come these practices have reduced to just legendary folklore stories for us now?

Is it due to the decrease in shraddhai from generation to generation (e.g., adiyen doesn’t have the shraddhai as much as my father has and my father mentions the same with respect to my grandfather and so on)?

-Adiyen

Sri Ramanuja munaye namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Yes BhagavAtas understanding is correct. Ask both Kaamyam (depending up on necessity) plus Primarily goal that I’m YOUR SOTTHU, so protect me and give Moksham in same birth to Perumal through Alwar/Acharyar and Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadi, then BhagavAn will deliver.

Here is ThiruMangai Alwar Paasuram for Kaamyam and Moksham, how ””NARAYANA” naamam delivers.

<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Kulam Tharum Selvam Thandhidum
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Adiyaar Paduthuyar Aayinavellaam 
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Nilandharam Seyyum Neel Visumbarulum
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Arulodu Perinilam Alikkum 
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Valam tharum mattrum thandhidum Petra 
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Thaayinum Aayina Seyyum
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Nalam Tharum Sollai Naan
<span style="color: #ff6600;”>Kandukondaen Narayana Ennum Naamam

https://youtu.be/4czXvr8xFJI

The purpose why Acharyas say not to ask Kaamyam is due to the fact that if we keep doing Kaamya Karma only without focussing on Kainkaryams and BhagavAn’s Happiness, then there is HIGH possibility that we will forget our ULTIMATE GOAL in life which is Kainkaryam and Moksham. So it is a check point only. That’s why any Kaamya Karma like homam etc.. are done as a Kainkaryam to BhagavAn for BhagavAt Preethyartham, so that our Mind doesn’t get carried away that it is for our own happiness instead of Thinking about BhagavAn happiness. Inturn BhagavAn does grant the needs to us due to HE being happy that we are in Alwar-Acharyas ThiruvAdi through our known Mahans (Sri Velukkudi Swami) ThiruVAdi, who has blessed all of us for Moksham in same birth.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UDAYAVAR ThiruVAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.