Vishishtadvaitam – Few Doubts

Updated on February 14, 2018 in General
5 on February 12, 2018

Hare Krishna! 

Aneha koti namaskaram to Sri Velukkudi Swami & devotees here.

 

Adiyen humbly requests Swami to clear below doubts / request devotees to point to swami’s enpai audio/discourses on any of these questions:

 

  1. Per vishishtadvaitam, Chit & Achit are ‘body’ of the lord (Sriman Narayanan). In which case, how do we understand the soroopam of the lord in Vaikuntham ?
  2. While Jiva is stuck in this body (birth after birth) per his karma, is the lord also not stuck as ‘anthar atma’ ? How do we understand that the lord is always free & independent ?

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanam!

 
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Sri Ramanujaya Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swmai Guruve Namaha,

 

Dear Krishna Bhakta,

 

Perumal is Vishwam –> Everything is Inside HIM.

Perumal is Vishnur –> HE is also inside each Anu (even in a smallest particle) residing as AntarAthma).

 

Means, HE is Inside and Outside of Everything, which we can undersatand only with our Gyanam, but cannot Visualize by this Pancha Bhoota Shareeram Indriyangal.

 

So anything that we see is Perumal Sharreram, yourself, myself etc….but we cannot enjoy everything that we  see as Perumal except Gyanis Sukar etc….However, inorder for a JeevAThma to Enjoy Perumal Thirumeni, he HIMSELF takes the Vibhava Forms (like Sri Rama, Sri Krishna) etc.. and Archai Forms (like Deity forms), and give us Indriyangal, Karanagal etc…. so we can see HIM and do Kainkaryam.

 

We EACH Jeevathmas are like Diamond (GYana Swaroopam and Sheshatvam to Perumal-Thayar), but covered with Dirt (Karmas), so called as BhaddAThmas, but Perumal is VIPU, spread everywhere but doesn’t get affected by our Karmas.

 

So, Perumal is not stuck as Antaratma inside us. He is residing Joyfully inside to help us like “Thamarai Ilayil Neer Pole தாமரை இலையில் நீர் போலெ, the Lotus leaf (Perumal) doesn’t get wet by the water (karmas).

 

Here is Swami’s similar past Enpani audio relating to Bhakta’s question.

Anpani #533, “Is My Antaratma feeling pain”

https://www.kinchit.org/kinchit-en-pani/501-550/

 

Hope this helps.

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham

 

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Sri Ramanujaya Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swmai Guruve Namaha,

 

Also, Here in Samsaram, the Shareeram that we have is called as Prakrita Shareeram (Deteriorating Body, means, it will perish, birth, death, pain, pleasure, paapam, punyam, karmas etc..), but after we reach SriVaikuntam with Acharya Ramanuja grace, we get Aprakritha Shareeram (Non-deteriorating body, means no birth, no death, no karmas, no paapam, no punyam), just BhagavAT Anubhavam/Nithya Kainkaryam…….kainkaryam…..kainkaryam…………

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham

 

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

Dear Krishna Bhakta,

 

Here are Swami’s Enpani Audios which answers Bhaktas question, Please listen in this order just in case and some additional references with full version Upanyasam topic titles.

 

https://www.kinchit.org/kinchit-en-pani/

 

#05, “Why God resides in me”

Swami talks about Perumal’s gunas: 1) Vyapakatvam, 2) Antharyamitvam (Niyantritvam), 3) Antaratmatvam, 4) Swamtivam, 5) Rakshakatvam, 6) Dhyeyam 7) Sarva Shabha Vaichyatvam, 8) Haardha (Moksha) Anugraham, 9) Anandham 10) Vaatsalyam….

 

#15, “Shareera_Atma_Bhava_Ma_Sucah”

Swami talks about, ‘Yasya Athma Shareeram, Yasya Pritvi Shareeram’ as said is Vedas,

Everything (Chit ‘Atma’ & Achit ‘Pritvi’) is Shareeram to BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn (Three Tatvams), as said is Vedas.

[So, Please don’t consider Visishtadvaitam was created by Swami Ramanujar. Swami only brought the “ESSENCE OF VDEAS (Three Tatvams)” to Outside world and made it easily understandable. Others named it as Visishtadaviam, and Swami didnot name it, since Swami Followed the Veda Maargam. THe Ultimate Truth is, “everyone following any Mathams/Sampardhayams outside or inside Sanatana Dharmas are also VishsitaAdvaithis”, the only difference is “some has realized and some are yet to realize”, in this Janma or next Janma, then come for the Ultimate goal ‘Service’ Kainkaryam to Perumal-Thayar, here in Samsaram and then continue in SriVaikuntam permanently. We all are fortunate to know all these things due to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami’s Anugraham/Krupai].

 

#682, “Vaikunta Important for BhagavAn or Us”

(Perumal’s different forms and why HE takes such PRSENTABLE forms, so we can see HIM and experenice)

#174, “Is it Boring In Vaikunta”

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The above are Swami’s short clips, Please also try to listen the full version upanyasams.

 

1) Gadya Trayam “Sri Vaikunta Gadyam” section grantham (Conversation between BhagvAn SriRama and Swami Ramanujar) that talks about Sri Vaikunta and our Kainkaryams).

2) Swami KoorathAzhvan (Acharya and Shisya of Swami Ramanujar) “Vaikunta Stavam” Grantham talks about the SriVaikunta and PErumal’s appearence and Aprakrita Shareeram that we get for Kainkaryams.

3) VishsitaAdvaitam (Essence of Vedas)

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Some Additional Enpani related to the Athma and SriVaikunta.

# 83, “God expects me since long”

#175, “Who is Responsible”. Swami touch bases about Achit, Chit Shareeram to Perumal and talks about our Karmas.

#156, “Permanent Anandam”

#607, “Anandam And Anubhavam”

#507, “Why Body is Perishable”

#514, “Is God Happy With Me”

#533, “Is My Antaratma Feeling Pain”

#559, “Gyana of Paramatma and Jeevatma”

#587, “Simple meaning – Adavitam & Visishtadvaitam”

#589, “The Humility of Sri Ramanuja”

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Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.

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Hare Krishna!

 

Dhanyosmi for all the details shared. One point that is realized and unrealized [after some time 🙁 and every time] is that the attempt to understand Bhagavan through senses (including mind) always fails.

 

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanam!

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

Exactly said Bhakta.

It’s a mere coincidance that Bhakta’s question matched adiyen’s memory and adiyen regurgitated Swami’s audiois/Pravachanams with Acharya Krupai/Swami’s Anugraham.

Swami’s Pravachanams are like OCEAN, and adiyen remember very very very few, so other Bhaktas if they remember, they should also Share in this Forum AS IT IS as much as possible without interpretations, which will be useful for all Bhakta’s.

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam Sri Krishna Kudumbham.

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