Tamil and Sanskrit

Updated on November 13, 2020 in General
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Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namaskaram Swami,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami frequently tells in his lectures that Tamil and Sanskrit are Anadi. Which scripture tells this?

Moreover, I have heard  that Agasthya Muni is considered the father of Tamil Language. At the same time there is a Tamil saying which tells “கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி”. How to reconcile these 2 contradictory facts?

(P.S.: These kind of topics always have the tendency to become controversial. But still adiyen wanted to clarify my doubt on this)

Adiyen.

 
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Swami there is no contradiction..both can be anaadi, but the statement you have referred is a proof for tamil being anaadi, it does not negate sanksrit.
( if i say “i ate well” it does not convey the meaning that others did not eat :)-)

Adiyen

on November 12, 2020

Also if a proof for sanskrit is required, vedas which are eternal is in sanskrit.
Adiyen

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Namaskaram Swami,

I agree in the case of Sanskrit. But, what about Tamil? Some say that Agasthya Muni, created it. So doesn’t it mean that Tamil has a beginning? But the statement contradictory to this is ” கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி”.

That’s why asked, if there is a pramaanam for Tamil being Anadi?

Adiyen

on November 12, 2020

Yes swamy. Your observation is very correct- though we say tamil was propagated by agathiyar but its “Anaadi” as sanskrit.
All vedas, its shabdas, aanupoorvi and artham etc are not created on any day its ever existing. On curtain time rishis ‘discover’ and propagate it.

Same holds good for tamil! Azhwar’s divya prabandam, every tamil sylaball associated with it is ever exsisting. Its just given out through mouth of alwars and tamil grammar came up through agathiya muni!

Acharya hrudhaya sutram clearly explains this fact – “senthiratha thamizhil athalal aagasthyamum anadi”

Aagasthyam – Language made by agathya is also aanadi or ever exsisting!

Adiyen

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Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

Swami i would take it as Tamil being very very old…may be in satyayuga /treta yuga.. as Agastaya muni appears during Ramayanam time. ( Not sure if it is used in other lokas as well)

Adiyen

 

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Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!
Please accept my humble obeisance Swamis!

Thank you for your effort in answering this. I thank Seshadri Swami for answering so nicely with an appropriate reference.

Dear Enpanifan Swami, I guess Agasthya Muni (or someone like him) comes every chathur yuga to spread தமிழ். So by that logic I think தமிழ் is not only anaadi but also eternal…

அடியேன்

on November 13, 2020

Srimate Raamanujaya Namaha!

Dhanyosmi swamis.

(Shravan Swamy, i think anaadi and eternal mean almost the same..)

Adiyen

Namskaram Swami,

Karma is anadi but not eternal for a jeevathma who has done saranagathi. 🙂 

I think eternal means anantha…

Swami, “Seeing the Acharya as Bhagavan’s Avatharam” thread  has become very big. Due to some reason it’s difficult to open and see all the replies in a long post. Maybe that’s why you didn’t notice my reply at the end.

Adiyen

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