Tamil and Sanskrit

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52 on November 11, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namaskaram Swami,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami frequently tells in his lectures that Tamil and Sanskrit are Anadi. Which scripture tells this?

Moreover, I have heard  that Agasthya Muni is considered the father of Tamil Language. At the same time there is a Tamil saying which tells “கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி”. How to reconcile these 2 contradictory facts?

(P.S.: These kind of topics always have the tendency to become controversial. But still adiyen wanted to clarify my doubt on this)

Adiyen.

 
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1 on November 12, 2020

Swami there is no contradiction..both can be anaadi, but the statement you have referred is a proof for tamil being anaadi, it does not negate sanksrit.
( if i say “i ate well” it does not convey the meaning that others did not eat :)-)

Adiyen

on November 12, 2020

Also if a proof for sanskrit is required, vedas which are eternal is in sanskrit.
Adiyen

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Namaskaram Swami,

I agree in the case of Sanskrit. But, what about Tamil? Some say that Agasthya Muni, created it. So doesn’t it mean that Tamil has a beginning? But the statement contradictory to this is ” கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி”.

That’s why asked, if there is a pramaanam for Tamil being Anadi?

Adiyen

on November 12, 2020

Yes swamy. Your observation is very correct- though we say tamil was propagated by agathiyar but its “Anaadi” as sanskrit.
All vedas, its shabdas, aanupoorvi and artham etc are not created on any day its ever existing. On curtain time rishis ‘discover’ and propagate it.

Same holds good for tamil! Azhwar’s divya prabandam, every tamil sylaball associated with it is ever exsisting. Its just given out through mouth of alwars and tamil grammar came up through agathiya muni!

Acharya hrudhaya sutram clearly explains this fact – “senthiratha thamizhil athalal aagasthyamum anadi”

Aagasthyam – Language made by agathya is also aanadi or ever exsisting!

Adiyen

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0 on November 12, 2020

Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,

Swami i would take it as Tamil being very very old…may be in satyayuga /treta yuga.. as Agastaya muni appears during Ramayanam time. ( Not sure if it is used in other lokas as well)

Adiyen

 

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Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!
Please accept my humble obeisance Swamis!

Thank you for your effort in answering this. I thank Seshadri Swami for answering so nicely with an appropriate reference.

Dear Enpanifan Swami, I guess Agasthya Muni (or someone like him) comes every chathur yuga to spread தமிழ். So by that logic I think தமிழ் is not only anaadi but also eternal…

அடியேன்

on November 13, 2020

Srimate Raamanujaya Namaha!

Dhanyosmi swamis.

(Shravan Swamy, i think anaadi and eternal mean almost the same..)

Adiyen

Namskaram Swami,

Karma is anadi but not eternal for a jeevathma who has done saranagathi. 🙂 

I think eternal means anantha…

Swami, “Seeing the Acharya as Bhagavan’s Avatharam” thread  has become very big. Due to some reason it’s difficult to open and see all the replies in a long post. Maybe that’s why you didn’t notice my reply at the end.

Adiyen

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5 on December 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Sanskrit is Devabhasha. It is spoken language in Vaikunta or at every Devata lokas.

Tamil is Anaadi? I don’t know. To convince , I must see univerally accepted scriptures written in Tamil. No major Puranas or Ithihasas or Upanishad is in Tamil.

Adiyen

Namaskaaram Swami,

This is a very dangerous statement. The reference for tamil being anaadi has already been given by Seshadri Swami.

If we tell like this, then there would be a lot of propaganda to abolish Sanskrit, which is already happening to some extent now. By the way, Alwars’ pasurams are in tamil. I don’t think devareer would find a statement that Sanskrit is spoken in Vaikuntham….

அடியேன்

on December 3, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

“I don’t think devareer would find a statement that Sanskrit is spoken in Vaikuntham….”

This is verse that spoken by Sriman Narayana to Arjun and Lord Sri Krishna when they went to Vaikuntam. Here Sriman Narayana speaks in Sanskrit. Which is spoken language in upper worlds also.

Srimad Bagavatam 10.89.57

ववन्द आत्मानमनन्तमच्युतो
जिष्णुश्च तद्दर्शनजातसाध्वस: ।
तावाह भूमा परमेष्ठिनां प्रभु-
र्बद्धाञ्जली सस्मितमूर्जया गिरा ॥ ५७ ॥

Srimad Bagavatam 10.89.58

द्विजात्मजा मे युवयोर्दिद‍ृक्षुणा
मयोपनीता भुवि धर्मगुप्तये ।
कलावतीर्णाववनेर्भरासुरान्
हत्वेह भूयस्त्वरयेतमन्ति मे ॥ ५८ ॥

Tamil is Anadi. I don’t know, I don’t comment on that. But majority don’t consider it as Anadi. No Vaishnavas from other Sampradayas consider it as Anadi. Language is no point. What matters is Saranagati and Purest Bhakti to Sriman Narayana

“If we tell like this, then there would be a lot of propaganda to abolish Sanskrit, which is already happening to some extent now.”

Just because they abolish or not. We can’t take stand or speak just because others do something. It’s not our business. At least not mine. It’s actually telling what it is.

Adiyen

Namaskaaram Swami,

Even adiyen don’t consider that we have to change our views just because of the fear of the majority.

Also the verses indicating that incident is not happening in Vaikuntham. It is happening in Karanodaka Ocean (The causal ocean) where Lord MahaVisnu resides. I think this is a Gaudiya Vaishnava understanding. So technically, it is still here in the material world. But since Lord MahaVisnu is present there it is auspicious. Just like how Tirumala is auspicious because Thiruvengadamudaiyaan is present.

Also Acharya Hrudaya Sutram must be authentic. The saying itself is in Tamil. So we can’t expect other acharyas from other sampradayas to see it as anadi.

அடியேன்

on December 4, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

“So we can’t expect other acharyas from other sampradayas to see it as anadi.”

True. Every Vaishnava Sampradayas have different point of view. Madwa, Gaudiya, Braj, Haridas, Varakari, Vallabha etc don’t consider Tamil as Anadi. Sri Vaishnavas consider that incident happened in Karanodaka ocean but Braj, Haridas, Vallabha, Gaudiya etc consider it as Vaikuntam itself! I didn’t disagree Tamil as not Anadi, but said I don’t know Although many Vaishnava Sampradayas consider not.

Adiyen

Namaskaaram Swami,

The above statement made by adiyen is the Gaudiya Vaishnava viewpoint. I stated what Prabhupada wrote in his “Krsna” book.

அடியேன்

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Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namaskaram Swami,

“கல் தோன்றி மண் தோன்றாக் காலத்தே முன் தோன்றிய மூத்தக் குடி தமிழ் குடி”.

Agasthya Muni does not an acharya to SriVaishnava. The above statement should not be taken it as a contradictory nor Pramaanam. Pride in which is Anadi Tamil or Sanskrit is simply waste of time. எம்பெருமானுக்கே அடிமை! என்பதை தவிர மற்ற எதிலும் பெருமை வேண்டா..

” மொழி ஓர் ஊடகம்.. Tamil or Sanskrit ஒவ்வொன்றுக்கும் தனிப்பட்ட வளமை, ஆழ்ந்தபுலமை, நிகரற்ற செரிவு, இனிமை, ஆற்றல், சக்தி இருக்கிறது”

தமிழ் அநாதியா? இல்லையா? என்பதல்ல விவாத கேள்வி| ஸ்ரீமந்நாராயணன் சங்கல்பத்தாலே எம் ஆழ்வார்கள் தமிழ் மொழியிலே நமக்காகவே .திவ்யபிரபந்தங்கள் தந்துள்ளார்கள்.
கோதை தமிழ், ஞானத் தமிழ், வண் தமிழ் என எத்தனையோ ஏற்றம்.
திருவாய்மொழியின் எந்த ஒரு பாசுரத்தின் அனுபவத்தையும் நாம் எத்தனை பிறவி எடுத்தாலும், நம்மாழ்வார் பெற்ற பகவத் அனுபவத்தை நாம் பெறுவது இயலாது.

SriNammazhvar obviously gives us Thiruvoimozhi in Tamil which Vedas try to describe/explain about Sriman NArAyANA in Sanskrit.

எம்பெருமான் விரும்பி வேத சுருக்கமாய், எம்பெருமானையே உபாயமாகக் கொண்டு எம்பெருமானை அடைய, கல்யாண குணங்களை அநுபவிக்க தந்த ஆழ்வாரதிகளின் திருவடிகளுக்கு பல்லாண்டு பாடி…அவர்களின் வாக்கையே பிரமாணமாக உயிர் மூச்சாக சரணாகதகர்களாகிய நாம் சிந்திப்பது நலம்.

நாம் தமிழை பெற்றோம்..பகவத் அநுபவ பேரின்பம்! அழ்வார்கள் மூலமாக பெற்றோம்!!. மற்ற மொழி பக்தர்கள் நிறைய இழந்திருக்கலாம்..

Sometimes we may be lost the goodness from Sanskrit due to unfamiliarity with it.

சரணாகதனான அடியோங்களுக்கு
நம்மாழ்வார் வாக்கே பிரமாணம்.

அடியேன் தாசன்.

Namaskaaram Swami,

A fantastic reply, I must say. I am glad devareer wrote this answer.

But can devareer explain the following statement of yours:
“மற்ற மொழி பக்தர்கள் நிறைய இழந்திருக்கலாம்”

அடியேன்

Although Agasthya Muni is not a Sri Vaishnava Acharya, shouldn’t he be given respect too as he is still a Muni? Kindly clarify this Swami…

(P.S.: I might have misunderstood your post)

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Namaskaram Swami,

நீசனேன் நிறை வொன்றுமிலேன் *

எற்றைக்கும் உன்தன்னோடு
உற்றோமே யாவோம் உனக்கேநாம் ஆட்செய்வோம் *

ஸ்ரீ நம்மாழ்வாரும், ஸ்ரீஆண்டாளும் சரணாகதன் எம்பெருமானிடம் காெண்டிருக்க வேண்டிய அன்பு, அடிமைத்தனத்தை……. ஆழ்ந்த பகவத ஆனந்த அநுபவத்தை இவ்வளவு எளிதாக – புரியும்படி மற்ற மொழியில் எம்பெருமானின் கல்யாண குண அனுபங்களை ‘other than Tamil or Sanskrit, எடுத்துரைக்கவில்லை.

அடியேனை நேசிப்பவனும், விரோதிப்பவனும் கூட (சித், அசித் அனைத்தும்)எம்பெருமானின் சொத்து! எம்பெருமானின் சொத்தான எதையும், யாரையும் மரியாதை குறைவாகவோ, உதாசீனப்படுத்த, அலட்சியப்படுத்தும் எண்ணம் துளியேதும் இல்லை.

Science is my religion – Albert Einstein

“சடகோபன் என் நம்பியே” – மதுரகவி ஆழ்வார்

So that means, Are we neglect Einstein? and Truly Respecting Madhurakavi Alwar…

Neglect doesn’t mean disrespecting…

நித்யகல்யாண குணவிஷிஷ்டனான எம்பெருமானையே தாசனாய் பற்றாத எவரும் அவர் ஆதிக்கமும் இந்நீசனின் வாழ்வில், புத்தியில், எண்ணத்தில், கைங்கர்யத்தில் இல்லை.

அடியேன் தாசன்

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0 on December 5, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Agastya muni was indirectly a devotee of Lord Rama, as he has done many services to Lord Rama in Ramayana.

Adiyen

Thirukachidaasanudasan

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2 on December 6, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram All Swami’s,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham, Adiyen would like to SPUR the conversations like “கலக்குவாரும் உண்டு, கலங்குவாறும் உண்டு“,

 

Here Adiyen would like to be the கலக்குவார் who wants to spin the conversations in a different direction and other devotees are the கலங்குவார் who is in confused state now after reading below thread.

 

Tamil is the Oldest Language than Sanskrit and Mother of All Languages

 

VEDIC SANSKRIT = TAMIL IN DEVANGIRI SCRIPT.

THE VEDIC LANGUAGE IS NOT VEDIC SANSKRIT, BUT IT IS VEDIC TAMIL.

 

THIS VEDIC TAMIL IS NOT SAME FORMAT AS PRESENT TAMIL. IT IS OLDER TAMIL, SOME CALL IT AS ARCHAIC TAMIL.

 

BUT, SOME PEOPLE WOULD TRY TO CONTRADICT THIS FACT, AND TRY TO SAY THAT TAMIL CAME FROM VEDIC SANSKRIT, WHICH IS NOT CORRECT, BECAUSE, 
 
1) SRIMADH BHAGAVATHAM (CANTO-9 CHAPTER-4, SLOKAS-2&3)  CLEARLY DECLARES SAYING,
 “YO ‘SAU SATYAVRATO NAMA, RAJARDIR DRAVIDESVARAH JINANAD YO ‘TITTA – KALPANTE, LEBHE PURU A – SEVAYA SA VAI VAIVASVATA PUTRO, MANUR ASID ITI SRUTAM TVATTAS TASYA SUTA PROKTA, IK VAKU – PRAMUKHA” 

IT OPENLY DECLARES SAYING “THE SATYAVRATHA MANU, (WHO) TOOK 4 VEDAS FROM THE SOUTH TO THE NORTH WAS THE SON OF A DRAVIDA KING

 

 

2) SRIMADH BHAGAVATHAM (CANTO-9 CHAPTER-14, SLOKA-48) VEDA VYASAR  CLEARLY DECLARES SAYING:

“EKA EVA PURO VEDO PRANAVAHA, SARVA VANGAMAYAHA”
 
WHICH MEANS, “THERE WAS ONLY ONE VEDA IN THE REMOTE PAST, AND THAT VEDA IS CALLED THE PRANAVA VEDA”
 
THIS PRANAVA VEDA IS A TAMIL VEDA.
 
THE PRANAVA VEDA IS THE SOURCE VEDA FOR THE OTHER 4 VEDAS AND 5TH VEDA WHICH IS “ITHIHAASAS/PURANA” AS CHANDOYA UPANISHAD, 7THSKANDAM, 1STCHAPTER, 2NDSLOKA CLEARLY SAYS: 
“ITIHASA PURANAM PANCANAM VEDANAM”
 
3)THE “BHAVISHYA PURANA” OPENLY DECLARES SAYING

“THE SANSKRIT VEDAS THAT WE HAVE TODAY ARE NOT THE ORIGINAL VEDAS”
 
4)THE “MATSYA PURANA” ALSO DECLARES SAYING :
VEDAS ORIGINAL WERE ORIGINALLY WRITTEN IN THE MANU (SATYAVRATA MANU’S) BHASHA – TAMIL; AND THEY WERE DESTROYED IN THE FLOOD (JALAPRALAYA).
THE SECOND SET OF VEDAS WERE ALSO WRITTEN IN MANU’S BHASHA – TAMIL; AND WERE DESTROYED BY EVIL PEOPLE.
THE THIRD SET OF VEDAS WERE WRITTEN BY THE MANU, WHO WAS WARNED BY LORD VISHNU, TO TAKE THE 4 VEDAS FROM SOUTH (KUMARI KANDAM WHICH IS A SUNKEN CONITENT NOW) TO THE NOTH (HIMALAYAS), AND HE TOOK THE VEDAS FROM SOUTH TO THE NORTH OF HIMALAYAS, AND FROM THENCE TO THE BANKS OF SARASWATHI RIVER, FROM WHERE WE ARE AWARE OF THE MOVEMENT OF THE RISHIS.
THE SATYAVRATHA MANU CARRIED ONLY 4 VEDAS, FROM SOUTH TO THE NORTH, AS WARNED BY LORD VISHNU IN MATSYA FORM. HE LEFT THE ORIGINAL SOURCE VEDA WHICH FORMS THE BASE FOR THE REMAINING 4 VEDAS, IN THE SOUTH, OF THE THEN KUMARI KANDAM.
THIS SATYAVRATA MANU IS THE SON OF A DRAVIDA KING, WHO MOVED FROM SOUTH TO NORTH.
 “YO ‘SAU SATYAVRATO NAMARAJARDIR DRAVIDESVARAH JINANAD YO ‘TITTA – KALPANTE, LEBHE PURU A – SEVAYA SA VAI VAIVASVATA PUTRO, MANUR ASID ITI SRUTAM TVATTAS TASYA SUTA PROKTA, IK VAKU – PRAMUKHA”
(SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM, 9THSKANDAM,1STCHAPTER, 2-3 SLOKAS)
 
5)

WORKS OF FIRST TAMIL SANGAM :
AGATHIYAM – I
AINTIRAM
PRANAVA VEDA
 
WORKS OF THE SECOND TAMIL SANGAM :
AGATHIYAM – II
THOLKAPPIYAM
RIG VEDA
YAJUR VEDA
ATHARVA VEDA
SAMA VEDA
VALMIKI RAMAYANA
MAHABHARATHA
 
WORKS OF THE THIRD TAMIL SANGAM :
SILAPADIGARAM
MANIMEGALAI
THIRUKKURAL
CIIVAKA CINTAAMANI
AGANANURU AND PURANANURU  ETC.
 
6)

AINTIRAM IS THE “ORIGINAL TAMIL SCIENCE BOOK” THAT FORMS THE BASE FOR ALL THE 5 VEDAS OF PRANAVA VEDA, RIG VEDA, YAJUR VEDA, SAMA VEDA AND ATHARVA VEDA.
REFERENCES TO AINTIRAM CAN BE FOUND IN THE FOLLOWING LITERATURES.
IN TAMIL LITERATURES, AINTIRAM IS MENTIONED IN:
SILAPADHIKARAM
MANIMEKALAI
SAIVAM PAAYANAM
AINTIRAM IS MENTIONED IN
BHAGAVADHA PURANAM – 10TH SKANDAM
 
BOTH THESE LITERATURES MENTION ABOUT “AINTIRAM” BEING WRITTEN BY MAAMUNI MAYAN – THE TAMIL SAGE, IN KUMARI KANDAM (SUNKEN CONTINENT NOW), THAT WAS SITUATED SOUTH OF TODAY’S CAPE COMERIN (KANYA KUMARI).
 
7) SOME TRANSFORMATIONS OF OLD VEDIC TAMIL WORDS TO PRESENT TAMIL WORDS
 
 
8) TAMIL SPOKEN WORLD WIDE IN PAST
“TAMIL IS THE OLDEST LANGUAGE ON EARTH, EVER KNOWN TO MANKIND”
TAMIL IS THE ONLY LANGUAGE TO RECEIVE AN OFFICIAL STATUS OUTSIDE IT’S OWN COUNTRY, INDIA; WHILE SANSKRIT IS NOT KNOWN EVEN AMONG MANY INDIANS, AS IT WAS TAUGHT ONLY WITHIN THE BRAHMIN COMMUNITY.
EVEN A GROUP OF PEOPLE FROM AFRICAN CONTINENT, MORE PRECISELY FROM THE CAMEROONIA, SPEAK TAMIL.
TAMIL IS THE OFFICIAL LANGUAGE OF SRI LANKA, AUSTRALIA, MADAGASCAR, MALAYSIA, SINGAPORE, EGYPT, INDONESIA, CHINA, SEYCHELLES, CAMBODIA, ANDHAMAN AND NICOBAR ISLANDS, CANADA, SOUTH AFRICA AND FRANCE.
HARYANA AND CHANDIGARH HAD TAMIL AS THEIR OFFICIAL LANGUAGE, TILL THEY WERE REPLACED BY PUNJABI.
 
IN PAST TAMIL CHOLAS,PANDIYAS TRAVELLED ALL AROUND THE GLOBE USING THE SEA TURTLE’S MOTION AND MANY COUNTRIES, CITIES HAVE TAMIL NAMES BUT IN TRANSLITERATED ENGLISH AS RESEARCHED BY ORISSA BALU உலகம் ஆண்ட தமிழன் 
 
8) SANSKRIT DEVELOPED FROM TAMIL
 
 
Though will be difference of opinions, this post is only information sharing.
 
BEYOND ALL THESE, WR HAVE THE ALWARS DIVYA PRABHANDHAM WHICH IS THE TAMIL VEDAS FOR ATHMA UJJIVANAM, MOKSHAM AND NITHYA KAINKARYAM.
 
 (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.
on December 6, 2020

Beautiful research Elayalwar Swami! While adiyen’s heart is always naturally attracted more towards the pure tamil works of our azhwars, adiyen is not eligible to comment on the topic, which of the two is anadi. Adiyen just want to register here that the reference swami provided around “YO ‘SAU SATYAVRATO NAMA, RAJARDIR DRAVIDESVARAH JINANAD YO ‘TITTA – KALPANTE, LEBHE PURU A – SEVAYA SA VAI VAIVASVATA PUTRO, MANUR ASID ITI SRUTAM TVATTAS TASYA SUTA PROKTA, IK VAKU – PRAMUKHA” is found in canto 9 chapter 1 verse 2&3 and not in chapter 4 as devareer mentioned.

Adiyen Ramanuja Dasan

on December 17, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Nandri Badri Swami for the Abhimaanam. All due to Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham.

There are two places where Adiyen has mentioned about the sloka reference. In first place there is typo of chapter as 4 instead of 1, but 2nd time in same thread is correct reference as:

(SRIMAD BHAGAVATHAM, 9THSKANDAM,1STCHAPTER, 2-3 SLOKAS).

 

However sloka meaning is important, Adiyen believe.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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Namaskaaram ElayaAlwar Swami,

Thanks for your elaborate explanation. There is a lot of in-depth meaning in your posts. But unfortunately, what I have feared has come true.

 

Devareer has unfortunately posted videos of several propagandists who do not even accept Vedas. They are in fact quite frankly speaking, very much dangerous to the dharmam we are following. Such people or the people who follow them make propaganda of several theories like “Aryan Invasion Theory”, and devareer has unfortunately quoted their references…

 

I think it is better to not discuss anymore regarding this topic. Alwars’ pasurams are in Tamil. Agreed. It’s better not to go further on regarding this topic, as adiyen already got my answer from Seshadri Swami. Also, Velukkudi Swami says Sanskrit is Anadi, and not derived from Tamil. 

 

Quite frankly speaking, research work is useless. We have to accept what is given in the Vedas.

So, in this case I’ll better consider Velukkudi Swami’s statement as Pramaanam. So, “Sanskrit and Tamil are both Anadi”.

 

(P.S.: Kindly forgive me if I have hurted Devareer)

adiyen

 

 

 

Devareer has unfortunately posted videos of several propagandists who do not even accept Vedas. They are in fact quite frankly speaking, very much dangerous to the dharmam we are following.From Shravanan Of Swami's Upanyasams

In reality, there is no danger to a first class devotee, i.e., who is very much situated in the topmost bhakti and faith towards Bhagavan. But those who are neophyte devotees like me have to be careful. Falldown from the devotional process is possible…

Also,

Quite frankly speaking, research work is useless. We have to accept what is given in the Vedas.From Shravanan Of Swami's Upanyasams

Adiyen stated the above, because, as we are humans we are always imperfect. That’s why all those scientific research and their findings always changes with time. From what I have heard his is due to the interaction of the three material gunas. As far as I have heard we have to attain suddha-sattva to overcome those imperfections…

 

adiyen

on December 17, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Namaskaram SharavAn Swami and any devotees who has similar thinking,

 

There is no research work here in this thread. There are clear cut Purana references slokas. So please read through. Adiyen was wondering how one is focussing on skipping all the sloka references and detailing the history of the humans in the YouTube link instead of focussing on subject. We are discussing all contents related to Vedic. A

  As an example,  Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami during  Sri Rama AnuYatra in the past year for first time wanted to gather the Sri Rama’s roadmap during HIS exile. At that time Swami contacted Mr. David in USA since he was familiar to Swami’s Thiru Thagappanaar Velukkudi Sri Varadacharyar Swami. He provided the Sri Rama’s road map, like where and all BhagavAn went during HIS exile. Velukkudi Swami used it during the yatra which was not available from others. This was informed by Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami in the KKT calender Ramanin Paadhaiyil CD introduction section. Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami can correct Adiyen if some information is correct that Adiyen just shared.

 

So Research is “IN-BUILT” in Sri Vaishnavism, if it is used to provide some information related to positive Spiritual upliftment. So a SriVaishnavaite doesnt focus the life history of Mr. David, instead the material (roadmap) is the focus.

 

Same way the above YouTube links are to show as supporting VISUAL data to the PURANA slokas references, and we don’t need to focus on life history of those persons. By the way, who are we to conclude even those persons are Adharmik.

 

Also Velukkudi Swami has asked to devotees at the end of Enpani 1915 where  CHOLAS are mentioned in Srimadh Ramayanam and Swami asked more details. So the above YouTube link Orissa Balu’s research provided those information, which is useful, but our focus is not what is their intention behind research. We have to use all the open dots and connect the dots on spiritual perspective with Acharya THIRUVADI Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham is the focus here.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

Namaskaaram ElayaAlwar Swami,

Swami, I read devareer’s detailed answer about Tamil and I am in 99% agreement with it, and I do appreciate it very much. But since you posted those videos too, adiyen was depressed. I suffered a lot  by watching similar type of videos in the past. Even my faith got affected to a larger extent…

As you said, yes research work is welcome. But only if it also considers Vedas too as pramaanam. But a lot of researchers these days speculate a lot, and arrive at a conclusion which is most of the time not what the Vedas says. For example, many researchers say Mahabharatham happened 2,000 years ago. Some also say Vedas “originated” around the period of 2000 BCE. So, obviously these views cannot be accepted…

 

Also, for your information that person in the video has said in many other videos that “Lord Siva was an ancient King. So as a remembrance only people are worshipping Lord Siva”, and similar other statements which is not acceptable. That’s why adiyen think it is better to not accept research work of such persons. 

 

So I am definitely supporting all the slokas devareer has quoted in that post. But the only fact which I am unable to digest is the videos devareer has posted. 

 

What is devareer’s thoughts on this?

 

அடியேன்

on December 31, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram SharavAn Swami,

Sathyavratavas in above Srimadh BhagavAtam us a Dharmika king.

சம்ஸ்-க்ருதம் (Sanskrit) என்றால் “திருந்தச் செய்யப்பட்டது (Corrected Language)” என்று பொருள்!

– “திருந்தச் செய்யப்பட்டது”-தான் சமஸ்கிருதம். மக்களால் பேசப்பட்டு உருவானதல்ல சமஸ்கிருதம்!

எவற்றிலிருந்து திருந்தச் செய்யப்பட்டது?

பிராகிருதமொழி இலக்கணங்களிலிருந்தும், தமிழ் மொழி இலக்கணத்திலிருந்தும், நல்ல அமைப்புக்களை உள்வாங்கி, சமஸ்கிருத மொழியைத் திருந்தச் செய்து உருவாக்கினார்கள்.
அப்படியானால், சமஸ்கிருதத்துக்கு இலக்கண மூலமொழிகள் பிராகிருத மொழிகளும், தமிழ் மொழிகளும்தானே இருக்க முடியும்?

Vedas are Shabtha pramaanam. It’s not a written language. But it was written in an ancient language “Archaic Tamil” for humanity.

So let’s learn to apply the VEDIC content through the language which is close to ones heart, since content is important and language is only a MEDIUM/TOOL to convey the original Vedic content.

Anyway, Adiyen will explain in detail in separate thread about “World History (previous manvantra and how Jalapralaya happened on the Kumari Kandam and how the Original Vedas written in ARCHAIC TAMIL was translated Sanskrit n other other languages if which Sanskrit is one among them)” with reference to Puranic slokas with Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

on May 12, 2021

Namaskaram all

Sanskrit is Devabhasha. How it would have come from Tamil ? Also it is ‘Bhashaanam Janani’. i.e. mother of all languages. In most of Indian languages we could see the impact of Sanskrit.

adiyen.

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