Srivaikuntam pona piragu jeeva swathanthriyam irukkuma? 🤔

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12 on March 26, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Swamy,

Srivaikuntam pona piragu nam ishta padi Kainkaryam seiyalam endral, jeeva swathanthriyam irukkiradhu endru arthama? 🤔

Please explain

Dasanudasan

 
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Adiyen swami

When the jeevathma become devotee to perumal out of three gunas sathva gunam will dominate and other two gunas will be in under control. But when jeevathma attains Sri vaikundam after crossing 12 Logam and taking bath viraja theertham and decorated apasaras and entering into Sri vaikundam and sitting on perumal lap and then we got our place Sri vaikundam do we really have this materialistic swathanthriyam.. perumal definetly cleansed this jeevathma very cleanly so we won’t get there .. we all enjoy perumal without disturbance to others .. for example if Adiyen want to carry baby krishna and play and if Adiyen husband also wish to carry baby krishna and play bhagavan will satisfy both of our wish at the same time .. no turn taking like in this world.. one more eg once naradha rishi want to test how krishna managing all the wives and the same time and he get darsan of Krishna in all the maharani place in dwaraka ..

Srimate Ramanujaya namaha
Acharya Divyathiruvadigale saranam
Sri u ve velukkudi Krishnan swami Divya thiruvadigale saranam

on March 28, 2020

Nivethitha Ramanusa Dasi,
But Velukkudi Swami has told that we can take any form we like and any go to any place we wish once we become muktatma. So we have to consider more. Because if we can be as we like then there should be free will right?

on March 28, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha

Namaskaram Ram Swami

Nivethitha Bhaktai’s reference and devareer’s reference both are correct from Swami’s Upanyasams, but the dots needs to be connected.

A JeevAthma always has Jeeva Swathantriyam whether in Samsaram as BhaddAthma or as MuktAthma after reaching SriVaikuntam.

But in Samsaram made of “Mishra Satvam (mixture of Satva, Rajas, Tamas), we either tend to do good or bad using our Jeeva Swathantriyam.

But in SriVaikuntam, our Rajo-Tamas-karmas are Totally eradicated forever to Zero in Viraja Nadhi and we will be left with only Satva Guna and get “Sudha Satvam body” (no Mishra Satvam & no karma’s beyond virajai Nadhi), so using our same Jeeva Swathantriyam, we only do Kainkaryam (since no bad exists beyond virajai Nadhi) to BhagavAn by taking any Sudha Satvam body forms. Like if devareer wish, devereer can become a Lotus and serve BhagavAn, or a change again to Swan and become as a vehicle to Bhagavan and so on……..

So conclusion,

* In present Leela Vibhoothi (Samsaram), we get a Body due to “Our Karmas நம் கர்மத்தினாலே”, either to relinguish karma’s (paapa or punya) or utilize to do sharanagathy for Moksham using the Jeeva Swathantriyam due to Mishra Satvam.

* But in Nithya Vibhoothi (SriVaikuntam), we take any body (not get a body) due to “Our wish நம் இச்சயினாலே” to do Kainkaryam only using our Jeeva Swathantriyam due to existence of Sudha Satvam only.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

on March 28, 2020

Dear Srinivasa bhakta,
Well said. Thanks for the neat and crisp explanation.
Uyya Ore Vazhi Udayavar Thiruvadi
Adiyen

on March 29, 2020

Adiyen Charamavathi Dasan Ram Swami.
All credits due to Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami’s Aasirvadham.

FDI, Swami DhoddayAcharyar is called as “Srinivasa Maha Guru”, Adiyen’s Acharya Thirumaligai vazhakkam is “Adiyen Srinivasa Dasan” means “Adiyen DhoddayAcharyar Dasan”. So Adiyen is not Direct Dasan of actual Srinivasa Perumal as “Srinivasa Bhakta”, if that’s what devareer thought. Adiyen is “DhoddayAcharyar Bhakta”. Basically, Adiyen follow “Vaduga Nambhi Nishtai”, Dasan of Ramanuja Dasan as “Adiyen DhoddayAcharyar Dasan” and Adiyen Charamavathi Dasan.

on March 29, 2020

Great swami…adiyarku adiyar!!!

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1 on March 28, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Interesting discussion

Indha Covid pathi pesi pesi bore adichuduthu
Pesama PerumaL kitta poi serndhudalam

No sandai no sacharavu enna bayathunala vara vendi irukkey nu oru varutham

Konjam jollya avar kitta pogalam nu pathen

Dasanudasan

Adiyen found some pasurams in this context. Will share more,

2932 களிப்பும் கவர்வும் அற்று பிறப்புப் பிணி மூப்பு இறப்பு அற்று
ஒளிக்கொண்ட சோதியுமாய் உடன்கூடுவது என்று கொலோ
துளிக்கின்ற வான் இந் நிலம் சுடர் ஆழி சங்கு ஏந்தி
அளிக்கின்ற மாயப் பிரான் அடியார்கள் குழாங்களையே?

 

3217 ஆயே இவ் உலகத்து நிற்பனவும் திரிவனவும்
நீயே மற்று ஒரு பொருளும் இன்றி நீ நின்றமையால்
நோயே மூப்பு இறப்பு பிறப்பு பிணியே என்று இவை ஒழிய
கூயேகொள் அடியேனை கொடு உலகம் காட்டேலே

 

3241 ஆவார் ஆர் துணை? என்று அலை நீர்க் கடலுள் அழுந்தும்
நாவாய் போல் பிறவிக்கடலுள் நின்று நான் துளங்க
தேவு ஆர் கோலத்தொடும் திருச் சக்கரம் சங்கினொடும்
ஆஆ என்று அருள்செய்து அடியேனொடும் ஆனானே

 

2961 உன்னைச் சிந்தை செய்து செய்து உன் நெடு மா மொழி இசை
பாடி ஆடி என் முன்னைத் தீவினைகள் முழு வேர் அரிந்தனன் யான்
உன்னைச் சிந்தையினால் இகழ்ந்த இரணியன் அகல்
மார்வம் கீண்ட என் முன்னைக் கோளரியே முடியாதது என் எனக்கே?

 

Nammalwar Thiruvadigale Saranam! 

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Porathe inga veruthu thirumbi kooda pakka ishtam illa ma avan thiruvadi Onne real happiness nu dhane saranagathi ye ellarom panrom.. so devareer thinking is absolutely great

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Dhanyosmi for all your contributions
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏

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Oru Chinna vishayam, vairAgyam vera virakthi vera. Virakthinia temporary – Perumaley kashtam thanga mudila so kutindu po nu sonna virakthi

VairAgyam na – Pattru attru iruthal. Happiness & Sadness makes no difference.

So VairAgyam is better to reach PerumaL

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