Ramanuja sambandham

Updated on June 23, 2021 in General
41 on June 7, 2021

Srimathe ramanujaya namaha

Swamy, namaskaram!
I know a man who was forced to get pancha samskaram and after few days he too got pancha samskaram forcibly.
That man was not a bhakta. He was never connected with his acharya.He was not devoted to his acharya.He began eating non- veg after getting pancha samskaram. He didn’t wear oordhva pindra( thiruman) and he didn’t do thiruvaradhanam . We can say that he didn’t posses any of the qualities of a sri vaishnava.

Since, he got ramanuja sambandham by getting pancha samskaram, will he go to moksha by this janma itself??

Adiyen ramanuja dasan

 
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Swamy, what this this???

on June 8, 2021

Sri udaiyavar swamy, what is your comment saying ???

on June 8, 2021

That man is one of my maternal relative. I am also one of his well wisher. So, only I asked this doubt.

on June 8, 2021

Dear udaiyavar swamy, I am not vikram swamy. I am sundara ramanuja dasan. No one disguised as anyone.

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0 on June 8, 2021

I believe the members have good faith in this forum and is posting for clarification. Of late adiyen has observed the responses similar to those in social media. I think self restraint may be followed to maintain the sanctity of this forum. 

adiyen

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1 on June 8, 2021

Namaskaram.

adiyen’s understanding is that once pancha samskaram is done, sanchita karmas are erased. The prapannan has to undergo Prarabdha Karma only which is meant for the present janma.  Presently, he may be like this due to his ruchi. May be Ramanujar sambandham will work and will mould him appropriately, may be later in this birth also.   Still he can get motcham in this birth, if he changes himself. So, we do not know what will happen in due course of time, he may become an ardent devotee also.

If one does not follow the Vaishnava lakshanam after pancha samskaram, Narayanan may not be happy and will not sanction motcham in this birth. He may have to wait for one or two births.

Jayaram swamy, I too have the same understanding. The act of surrendering to an acharya is so powerful; we have to remember that the acharya is accepting our surrender on behalf of Perumal Himself; HE has assigned the acharya the “power of attorney” to do so. So, if one has gone through the ‘process’ of surrender but has not actually surrendered, life will unfold in such a way that the person will eventually be forced to genuinely surrender and then he will be granted moksham. As you said, the ‘eventually genuine surrender’ may take one or few more births. It is still a shorter duration compared to one who has not undergone the process of surrender.

adiyen.

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Yes udaiyavar swamy, perumal knows.
1) my name before pancha samskaram is Srikanth and my name after pancha samskaram is sundara ramanuja dasan

2) நான் ஒன்றும் பொய் சத்தியம் செய்யவில்லை. I am not vikram. Trust me. There is no need for me to disguise like someone.

நான் இங்கு பொய் சத்தியம் செய்திருப்பேனே ஆகில், நரகத்தில் வீழக் கடவேன் என்று என் ஆச்சாரியர் மீது ஆணை இட்டு கூறுகின்றேன்.
At least now you trust me. Perumal knows I am not vikram.
I am srikanth and after pancha samskaram sundara ramanuja dasan.

Udaiyavar swamy, kind request!!! Like the way you spoke with me in this forum, please don’t speak with anyone else

on June 8, 2021

I didn’t judge. My final question is that, can ramanuja sambandham alone give moksham for a non-devotee who commits sins by eating nonveg???

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Dear Sundara! 

kindly channelise your efforts to more meaningful things. Just ignore such passive aggreesion; it is just a form of attention seeking tendency. It is best to ignore such tendencies; the more you respond they crave more for attention. 

One reason this person may be suspecting others of holding double accounts could be that he is doing that! 

Do you remember there used to be this person with id “ravayadu”, the name being a reverse of udayavar!!!!

You may also recollect that this ‘Sri Udaiyavar” was ealier spelt “udayavar” and only later he changed it to Udaiyavar when pointed out.

The current writing style of Sri Udaiyavar kind of reminds of the ravayadu!

This correlation may be just a coincidence.

So, let us just ignore such ill intended posts and move on.

adiyen.

on June 8, 2021

Yes swamy!! You are correct. We should not waste our time on necessary arguments!! I am going to ignore this

a funny correlation. in the story “Dr.Jerkyl and Mr.Hyde”, initially the two personalities are very distinct and manifests in the protagonist at different times in the day. But later on the personality of Hyde takes dominance and completely takes over the personality of Dr.Jerkyl. 

Likewise, did the ravayadu personality take over SriUdaiyavar personality?  

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

@Kambandasan Swamy,
Adiyen remember 2 instances,

Poigai Azhwar, Pei Azhwar, Boodhathu Azhwar

Oruvar sayanikkalAm, iruvar amaralAm, moovar nirkalAm

In between PerumAL wanted to get (touch) sparsm of AzhwArs and tightened them

2nd in Ongoing Srimad BhAgavatham our Velukkudi Swamy has told PerumAL coming and listening in between BhAgavathAs and touching them

This could be PerumAL coming in-between as Udayavar who knows?

As far as original question is concerned, AchAryan Thiru Ullam. AchAryan Novu sAthippAr because of SishyA’s sins.

FOR MAHABALI ACHARYAN SUKRACHARYAR WAS CONCERNED ABOUT SISHYA’S WELFARE EVEN THOUGH VAMANAN STANDING IN FRONT OF HIM

ACHARYA IS DAYALU AND KRIPALU

A person can go wrong due to many reasons. VAsanA bhalam. Though sanchitham is gone , prArabdham can play it’s role.

2ndly, Adiyen is related to a cancer cured childless SriVaishnava Swamy getting angry on PerumAL.

So we don’t know what is causing such behaviour in people.

Adiyen too get Angry on PerumAL but who else I can show?.

Twameva MAthA cha PithA Twameva
Twameva Bandhu cha sakhA Twameva
Twameva Vidhya DraviNam Twameva
Twameva Sarvam Mama Deva DevA

This is my school prayer, after Knowing its meaning Adiyen realize it is PerumAL

VairAgyam avlo easyA vara mAtengardhEy SwAmy 🙏🙏🙏🙏🙇🙇🙇🙇
Narayana

Dasanudasan

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8 on June 9, 2021

Doubt about disguised identity is raised in this thread. One who raised the query, preferred not to respond to the replies given for his query, though the requirement of clarification mentioned to be genuine. This made to think whether the two who involved in discussion are one and the same?. I need not be correct.

I strongly feel that only Guru and Perumal have the authority to test another one and nobody else in  spiritual field, though he may be having good knowledge.

Due to certain factors, I preferred to respond selectively in future.

on June 9, 2021

Swamy, what is need to disguise someone’s identity. I am feeling distressed after this bitter arguments and conversation. This thread is polluted by unwanted arguments. I request the admin to delete this thread. Let me ask this doubt to my acharya, when I go srirangam.

Adiyen feels , adiyen doesn’t have much gyanam. So, only adiyen is not responding for the replies given for my query.

Adiyen ramanuja dasan🙏🙏

on June 9, 2021

Small grammar mistake. In the first sentence please read as, ” what is the need to disguise someone’s identity”

on June 9, 2021

Yes swamy! Acharya and perumal alone have the right to test another one. I didn’t test anyone.
My question is that, can ramanuja sambandham alone gives moksham for a person who avoids perumal and do himsai for animals??

on June 9, 2021

Good. I only raised a doubt about disguising. I believe that you are not disguising. Your promises invoking Perumal and Acharyan for such a silly issues are not warranted. You can read my response, I did not say you are testing. 

on June 9, 2021

We do not know how a person has internalise Him. Internalizing is superior to externalization. Whether it is appropriate here or not, it reminds me of Kannappa Nayanar and one more Nayanar who was asked for “Pillai (Child) kari”.

We do not know how a person has internalise Him. Internalizing is superior to externalization. Whether it is appropriate here or not, it reminds me of Kannappa Nayanar and one more Nayanar who was asked for “Pillai (Child) kari”From pd_jayaram

Jayaram swamy, I am not understanding the connection. Kindly explain if you don’t mind. Thank you.

on June 9, 2021

Kambandasan swamy,

By Internalizing, I meant constantly remembering Him. This can change one’s activities, behaviour etc., thus bringing changes externally in him. We do not know where does the person under discussion fall. Hence, I mentioned first two sentences.

Sundara Ramanuja Dasan swamy has not considered the response provided earlier. He is very particular about himsa. Hence, I indicated the cases of Nayanars to bring the importance of devotion. I already mentioned that it may not be appropriate here. Jatayu was granted motcham. Lord Rama took every residence of Ayodhya, who were willing, to Vaikuntam. Whether all of them are vegetarians?. In these cases, Perumal himself gave them motcham. I do not want to discuss further on this.

His relative was ordained to get pancha samskaram due to his karmas. It is not by just accident or by force. I would like to mention that Acharyas during their daily puja, prays for all his disciples. Moreover, Ramanujar sambandham is an atma sambandham. Hence, presumably a person who underwent pancha samskaram will be under the watch list and will be divine guided. Presently, he may be like this due to his ruchi. Ramanujar sambandham will work and will mould him appropriately, may be later in this birth also.  In such case, he may become an ardent devotee and can change himself. In such case, he can get motcham in this birth. Otherwise, he may have to wait for one or two more births.

It would be better if Sundara Ramanuja Dasan swamy attempt what best he can do such as speaking to him and trying to convince him for change. If he desires, he can pray for him during his puja.

Thank you for your clarification swamy. Yes, by (our respective) acharyan’s anugraham we all can be saved. If any of our friends are like the person in this question, we can pray for them and in addition try to speak to them if other factors favour such conversation.

In a one-to-one conversation with an acharyan swamy (not adiyen’s acharyan) he said each individual also has some responsibility in progressing in Saranagathi. The panca samsaram is the ‘starting point’ and it provides the right opportunities to deepen our qualities of a saranagatha. If someone fails to use such opportunities, his life in the next few births will be arranged such that he will surrender fully sooner than later.

 

There is one aspect which I am doubtful. You have said “His relative was ordained to get pancha samskaram due to his karmas”. I am not sure if this (“karma ordains panca samskaram”) can be true. If karma ordains panca samskaram and panca samskaram ordains mukthi, doesn’t it imply karma ordains muthi?!

My current understanding is that receiving panca samskaram is not determined by karma. Kindly let me know if our Swamy has spoken on this in any context. Thank you.

adiyen dasan.

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பெருமாள் மீது சத்தியமாக நான் விக்ரம் இல்லை.From Sundara Ramanuja dasan

Sundara Ramanuja swamy,

Vaishnavas usually do not invoke Perumal in this manner to defend onself. In some rare context where one has to defend the honour of acharya or Perumal, one may do so; but to defend one’s own position a Vaishnava does not invoke Perumal like this. Like Draupadi lifted her both hands and left the outcome to Krishna, like Ambarisha reacted to the demon released by Durvasa muni, a Vaishnava leaves it to Perumal to decide the outcome. This ‘God promise’ ‘mother promise’ business is not appropraite in Vaishnava ettiquette. 

Interestingly, this concept is reflected in the ten commandments too! “Thou shalt not take the name of the Lord thy God in vain”.

In hind sight, just reflect whether it is worth invoking Perumal for such a silly issue? Here is a person who has the know-how to verify the IP address of different responders; yet he chooses to simply hurl taunts at you; is such a thing worth invoking Perumal? What motivates him to do so and how to overcome such impulsive behaviour is his problem; we can not do much to help; but the least help we can do is to not fuel such cravings by responding to such taunts. If you know your question/ statement is genuine, keep faith and remain patient till genuine answers come; if someone genuinely seeks clarification on your question, it is approrpriate to respond. In contrast, if you realise it is a wilful misrepresentation, just ignore and move on. 

adiyen dasan.

on June 9, 2021

I am sorry swamy. Here after I will not invoke perumal in silly things like this 🙏

on June 9, 2021

Naaney Dhaan Aayiduga

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1 on June 9, 2021

Sri:

Please do not trouble Sundara Ramanuja Dasan Swamy

Adiyen responsible for all these problems as these issues occurred because of my mistaken identity.

My earlier posts made Sri Udayavar Swamy to think this style of post belonged to adiyen.

“Naaney dhaan Aayiduga”

Narayana

My earlier posts made Sri Udayavar Swamy to think this style of post belonged to adiyen. From vikraminside

This can not be true; he has the know-how to verify your IP addresses. So, the claim that ‘style of post led to misinterpretation’ can not be valid. 

 

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1 on June 10, 2021

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Looks like Swayam “ஸ்ரீ உடையவர்” is speaking
This Swamy has come here to take all of us to Sriman NArAyaNa’s abode 😊
ஸ்ரீ உடையவர் Swamy is sharing his Sri Bhashyam knowledge here. Please listen all. Don’t miss this opportunity.
Narayana

on June 10, 2021

Ok Admins please delete my above comment.
Sri Udayavar Swamy
Really Sorry
🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏🙏
🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇

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