Notes: 7-Jul-2016 Advaitis claim Nirguna (formless) Brahmam

Updated on December 27, 2022 in Acharyas
6 on December 26, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Advaitis claim Nirguna (formless) Brahmam. This concept is beautifully dismantled in SriBhashya by Bhagavad Ramanuja who establishes Saguna Brahmam with Divya Mangala Vigraham beyond any doubt. Unless Brahmam chooses to reveal Himself no one can comprehend Him. Even Arjuna saw the cosmic form with special vision granted to him by Krishna. But Krishna appeared to every one in human form though His body was aprakruta. This was His own Sankalpa to be visible in a particular form to humans including cows and other animals when He took the Avtar! So is Rama Avatar. Their human forms were imprinted only in the minds of their contemporaries and lost forever subsequently without any means of preservation of physical identity. In Kali yuga Archa moorthies of different forms are available as conceived by the stapathis in their minds while shaping the idols!
When a Bhakti yogi transcends from Para Bhakti to Paragyana he is able to get a Darsana SamAna Akara of Brhamam during his yoga Dasa. When his Bhakti transcends from Para Gyana to Parama Bhakti he is able to comprehend Bhagavad Sakshatkara and once he reaches this state he does not continue to live to describe his experience. He attains moksha. Similarly a prapanna gets this Bhagavad Sakshatkara at the time of his death only as Sriman Narayana Himself reveals to him. Bhakti yoga can be commenced only after one achieves Atma Sakshatkara (Self realization). For an Advaiti there is no real soul existing that seeks Moksha as according to his philosophy Jivatma is only the result of the hallucinating Brahmam. So, how can they pretend comprehending Brahmam with or without form when they themselves don’t exist according to to their own philosophy?

Dasanudasan

 
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1 on December 26, 2022

Srimath Varavara munaye namaha

Niruguna means Characterless not formless.

Nir = No ; guna = Character.

Formless is called by the sanskrit word aroopam and not by the word “nirgunam”.

Adiyen Varavara Muni Bruthya dasan 🙏

on December 26, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

NirVisEsha (No visesham/attribute), NirGuNa, NirVikalpa, NirAkArA all means the same. Devar cannot just go by the literal meaning.

Advaitis divide Brahmam as two truths:
=>Absolute truth
=>Relative truth

Whatever we discuss as part of attribute that include GuNa or NAma or Roopa will fall under relative truth for advaitis

Please refer Hayagriva Sthothram this ShlOkam:

अव्याकृताद् व्याकृतवानसि त्वम्
नामानि रूपाणि च यानि पूर्वम् ।

Also to our Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy’s upanyasam if devareer gets hands on to.

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Here, the Lord is recognized as existing in the states of effect and cause and having the

chEthanAs and achEthanams in their gross and subtle states as His body. The body-soul

(SarIra-sarIrI, PrakAra-prakAri) relationship between IsvarA-and His Prakruthi (the cosmos
consisting of JivA and Jagath), the very central doctrines of Sri VisishtAdaitham are alluded to.

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The moment you do bedham it will be categorised as relative truth.

சொன்னால் விரோதம் இது
ஆயினும் சொல்லுவன்…

Dasanudasan

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0 on December 26, 2022

Adiyen referring to this upanyasam

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2 on December 26, 2022

Swamy,
Sorry for correcting, adiyen know basic grammar
That is not Nir + GuNa
But
Ni: + GuNa = NirGuNa
Dasanudasan

on December 26, 2022

Yeah !
Swamy I too know that but while texting in English I splitted the words in those manner.
Thanks for your reference and my sincere apologise 🙏

Adiyen Dasan

on December 27, 2022

Adiyen
Kshamikkanum
My only worry, tomorrow, if some advaiti come & says
“Unga Velukkudi Swamye Aruvam KAtiya Uruvam nu title potrukkaru adhukku enna soldra?” Nu kaeta na enna pannuven?
Dasanudasan
🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇🙇

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