Nalayira Divya Prabhandam – Dravida vedam

Updated on July 24, 2022 in Holy Books
14 on July 15, 2022

Sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy, namaskaram.

adiyen put this query with deep regard to Azhwars.

Pasurams of Nalayira Divya Prabhandam carry deep spiritual knowledge, vedantic details, praising divya desams, unparallel devotion, longing to get united with Him, incidents from puranas / avatars  etc., At the outset, it does not appear to cover many of the details from vedas. Many of the pasurams are on the incidents from puranas / avatars, on divya desams and the expression of  devotion of azhwars (an amazing lesson for the readers and an unique one).

Azhwars expressed vedantic details from vedas, in a simple manner and very crisply, but not all the details of vedas are covered. It appears not all azhwars expressed details from vedas.

Nalayira Divya Prabhandam is called as Dravida vedam. What is the reason to call it as Dravida vedam?.

Why, other azhwars’ work which are not covering details of vedas, are also included and called as dravida vedam?. Is that as a mark of respect to azhwars?.

This is only to get the clarification on the doubt arose after going through and does not have any other reason.

Kindly excuse, if there is any error in my understanding.

adiyen

SriVaishnava dasan

 
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3 on July 15, 2022

Srimate Raamanujaya Namaha,

Swamy there are two possibilities I can think of.
1. The verses have multiple hidden messages.
2. Secondly if we refer to Bhagavat Geeta 15.15 Krishna states that all vedas are to know him only..so azhwaars are singing about the conclusion of vedas.

Bg 15.15
“I am seated in everyone’s heart, and from Me come remembrance, knowledge and forgetfulness. By all the Vedas, I am to be known. Indeed, I am the compiler of Vedānta, and I am the knower of the Vedas.”

Adiyen

on July 15, 2022

swamy,

Thank you for the response.

My view is that ::

No one knows what was in the mind of azhwars, when they sung the pasurams. Hence, I would prefer to go by word by word meaning, rather than assumptions and interpretations. True, the language used is bit different than what is prevalent today. On reading, one who has basic vedantic / puranic details, can know himself nearly half the words used. My above post is based on this understanding.

adiyen

on July 15, 2022

Srimate Raamanujaya namaha,

Swamy in that case the 2nd aspect of what they sang being the conclusion of vedas is relevant.

Adiyen

on July 15, 2022

adiyen intentionally avoided commenting on the verse. Because, if we go by the literal meaning of this verse, no literature is required and but only Him, which is ultimately true also.

The scriptures are for the explanation of many details required for spirituality. I was considering the content of the vedas and not as what is mentioned in that verse. Hence, I did not consider the second point.

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7 on July 17, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Dharmam Artham Kamam Moksham
Everything is covered in Dravida Vedam

Even Thirukkural is Dravida vedham only in my opinion

Which pAsuram made devareer ask this question?

Vedam Anaithirkkum ViththAgum Kodhai Thamizh

We will get to know Vedic intricacies from PeriyavAs like Velukkudi

For eg:
PAsurappadi Ramayanam

Veda PrAchEdasAdAseeth SAkshAth RamayanAthmana

So Vedam itself incarnated as Ramayanam

This is true because SriRam himself says:
Ramayanam is doing good to me when he heard from Lava Kusha

What does it mean?
Ramayana=Vedam=Dravida Vedam

Dasanudasan

on July 21, 2022

I have explained in my above posts.

on July 22, 2022

Swamy
“but not all the details of vedas are covered”

What do you mean by this? Where have you mentioned in your above posts?

When Azhwars song, they give Veda Saaram

Velukkudi used to say:
Saaram
Saara Tharam
Saara Thamam

So all these could be found in pasurams.
Most Azhwars haven’t met each other except for few like

NammAzhwAr – Madurakavi
PeriyAzhwar – Andal

Yet they all sing the same because Marai Porul is the same.

Adiyen could not understand which post you are referring to. It’s not visible to me.

Dasanudasan

on July 22, 2022

vikraminside swamy,

“but not all the details of vedas are covered”
What do you mean by this? Where have you mentioned in your above posts?From vikraminside

I was comparing the literal ‘contents’ of vedas, commented and nothing beyond that.  How one can list the details of vedas?. There are only four posts by me – initial post and three replies. I have explained my consideration for the subject, like word to word meaning etc., in these.

I have not mentioned about any specific pasuram. I have indicated as many of the pasurams.

I am very sure, you will not accept, so will be in my case. You have indicated you can counter a popular acharya (I fall in his lineage).  I have my own way of reading anything, do judgemental analysis and accept based on that.

In another thread you have mentioned

Adiyen don’t know 4KDP.From vikraminside

I am not sure from this whether you have gone through. A person who has gone through can probably appreciate my point.

One of my relative have done post graduate in Nalayira Divya Prabhandam. I discussed with him about this. He consented my views.

adiyen

on July 24, 2022

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“I am very sure, you will not accept, so will be in my case. ”

Adiyen agree that devareer is judgemental as well.

“One of my relative have done post graduate in Nalayira Divya Prabhandam” – Super.

In this whole post devareer not made a single objective statement

“Vedam anaithirkkum vithAgum kodhai thamizh”

Are you countering this?

Also why should we not question our AchAryAs then how will we learn?

Adiyen even question Swamy Desikan as to XWhy he submit sins to Sri Mahalakshmi thayar”?

Please justify this statement
“Azhwars expressed vedantic details from vedas, in a simple manner and very crisply, but not all the details of vedas are covered. It appears not all azhwars expressed details from vedas.”

Remember upamAnam has a dosham of inequality. If upamAnam is same as source it becomes equal.

So Vedam = Prabandham should be contextually read not as it is

Not sure the comparison between apples & oranges

A PhD on 4KDP is appreciated but cannot make a person “Sarvgyan by the way” .

Dasanudasan

on July 24, 2022

My namaskarams to devareer for coming in that lineage.

Please accept my praNAms
Dasanudasan

on July 24, 2022
I was comparing the literal ‘contents’ of vedas, commented and nothing beyond that.From SriVaishnava dasan

My point of discussion is comparing ‘contents’ of the vedas only. If one say that Nalayiya Divya Prabhandham communicates saram / rasam of vedas, it could have been called as Dravida veda rasam / saram and not as Dravida vedam itself.

The work of azhwars indicated by you can be called as Dravida veda rasam / saram.

This is my point of contention.

on July 24, 2022

Read

“The work of azhwars indicated by you can be called as Dravida veda rasam / saram.”

as 

“The work of azhwars indicated by you may be called as Dravida veda rasam / saram, considering this discussion.”

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0 on July 24, 2022

Did ThiruppAnAzhwAr sing entire Vedam in 10 please ask Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy he will tell truth

I bet why 4000? just 10 enough.

Did AndAl sing entire Vedam ? Yes why 4000 30 enough

5 * 5 + 5 ariyAdha mAnidarai vaiyam summapadhu vambu

It is devareer’s responsibility to tell why devareer considered not all details covered in 4000. You raised question. Justify it properly.

Dasanudasan

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0 on July 24, 2022

Vancha mukkurumbaam

Vidhya
Vamsa
Dravya

mozhiyaik katakkum perumpuka zaan,vancha mukkuRumpaam
kuzhiyaik katakkumn^am kooraththaaz vaan_charaN
kootiyapin
pazhiyaik kataththum iraamaa Nnuchanpukaz paatiyallaa
vazhiyaik kataththal enakkini yaathum varuththamanRE

Dasanudasan

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