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Karma decides major ones-where we are born, general health approx death time. Self-killing

Updated on October 13, 2020 in Karma
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11 on October 11, 2020

Namaskaaram Swamy,

Karma decides major ones-where we are born, general health, approx death time; self-killing?

To be not in this body alive ie, death is a major event. Approximate time for death is decided by Karma, just like other major ones, namely family in which we are born, general health aspects. Given this, how come self-killing, considered a mahapaapam, happen due to jeevan’s swathdriyam / free will. A person is able to advance his death time. How to understand this? Individual x is supposed to die at around 75 yrs naturally by Karma, but this individual x through free will took his life at 55 yrs itself.

Now “can we say, approximate death time line is not decided by Karma or self killing is relatively rare event (exception) and when it happens that aatma adds to itself heavy burden of paapa and may end up in having more transit time before being alloted a further body via a birth to experience Karma burden?

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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enpanifan 0 on October 11, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha!

Yes Swamy you are more or less correct that karma decides key events ( for a normal person who is not surrendered to God)

Just a small clarification, the word karma is mostly interpreted as  a past act, and this  has led to lot of confusion. Even the acts we do now are also karma. Some of these current actions can bear fruits immediately depending on the intensity. So if we include this broad definition of karma then the confusion might be perhaps resolved?

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RS 1 on October 11, 2020

Namaskaaram Enpanifan Swamy,

Thanks for providing this clarification. So it is like individual x is to die around 75 yrs. But because, he committed a sinful action of high impact in slightly earlier period in this birth, due to which punishment in the form of early death – self inflicted one (self-killing) happens. Is this correct understanding?

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

enpanifan on October 11, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaye Namaha,

Swami in some cases yes. But even the immediate action of self harm is a karma.. it does not need any specific reason. That is it is not that previous karma is forcing one to such action, they may create circumstances. But the current action of self harm is not forced , the should has a choice still. So i was referring that the exercise of free will at the moment is also a “karma” of high impact.

I also heard the video referred below by Kambandasan swamy. Swami explained about the soul’s decision as being responsible.

So Soul’s decision to exercise a freewill and the consequent action is a karma by itself, which does not need a background karma directly. (But past karma can cover the knowledge and can lead to a wrong decision)

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கம்பன்தாசன் 0 on October 11, 2020

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=NafiJTILbpk&list=PLhrdHlkOIj-VkgusrJIu8BGAMLfX7uGeN&index=10

Please hear from 1.38. Although the question is diffrent from the one posted here, it does address some aspects of it.

adiyen

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RS 0 on October 11, 2020

Namaskaaram Kambandasan Swamy,

Thanks for the link. I also thank you – you have provided this link in your response for other question in another thread; noted and had the opportunity to watch many of the sessions of that Yuva Vikas Spiritual Development Program.

Dhanyosmi.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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RS 1 on October 11, 2020

Enpanifan Swamy,

Namaskaaram.
When this single statement “Karma decides major ones-where we are born, general health, approx death time” given, Karma means here previous accumulated ones for all these 3 major events. So can we say, death is of two kinds: natural and self-inflicted and that while natural death is due to previous Karma, unnatural one is due to ensuing worst Karma to be acquired by free will. However, have we not come across statement like, oh x person died, do not worry, everyone comes with an EXPIRY DATE?.

Is preordained approximate death timeline is overwritten by jeevan’s free will in case of self-inflicted death?

This qn is all due to feeling that how come such a big event (soul leaving the body) be happening without due reason being previous Karma palan, in the context of self-inflicted death.

(Or if we consider self-inflicted death also happens due to previous Karma – it is written so for that individual x, then, we cannot label it as maa paavam-but this cannot be true; I understand because we say self-inflicted death is maha paavam-, we are trying to retrace the reason).

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

enpanifan on October 12, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha,

Swamy your last para is very correct, my answer was based on the logic that since sastras condemn self harm and say there is a reaction then it must not be preordained.

Your conclusions in first two paras is correct.
Regarding question in 3rd para..yes that is nature and power if freewill Bhagawan has invested us with..even more bigger implication event than death is our choice to come to this material world to enjoy than serving in Vaikunta..that also happened due to freewill ..how do we understand that?😊
Adiyen

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RS 2 on October 12, 2020

Enpanifan Swamy,

Namaskaaram.

Many Thanks for sharing your key insights on this topic; quite convincing replies. There is a dynamics that we need to understand.

Dhanyosmi.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

enpanifan on October 12, 2020

Dhanyosmi Swami, in the process of answering here, i am reminded about how foolishly I have used my free will in the past.

Adiyen

 

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enpanifan on October 12, 2020

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha!

Swami has touched upon this theme in today’s enpani audio 1894 from a practical perspective. Swami’s message what i understand is: instead of trying to identify the source or cause of such events, everyone should be enthusiastic ( with proper understanding that one is a soul/servant of the Lord, we have been sent here with a purpose , lets do that and help others and ourselves in that way and remaining hopeful that Lord and His devotees will help us.)

Adiyen

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RS 0 on October 13, 2020

Namaskaaram To Shri Swamy,

Adiyen grateful for addressing this topic.

Enpanifan Swamy, Thanks for the summary. Questions of practical values matter; Understood.

Dhanyosmi.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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