Kaivalya mukti

Updated on August 13, 2021 in General
11 on July 19, 2021

Namaskaram.

1. adiyen understood, as per vishishtadvaitham one will not reach vaikunatam through kaivalya mukti. Reaching vaikuntam is stated to be superior to kaivalya mukti. adiyen also understood that in Muktika Upanishad, Rama mentioned to Hanuman that Kaivalya mukti is the ultimate liberation. Request, kindly clarify, why there is difference in mentioning the ultimate mukti, is it due to difference in school of philosophy?.

2. In the case of Kaivalya mukti, atmas are stated not to take rebirth and continue to exist without taking any form, forever. What happens to these atmas during Naimithika pralaya and Praakritika pralaya. Do they keep separate identity or get attached to Lord Narayanan’s body. What happens to these atmas after these pralayas i.e., when creation is restarted. Will these atmas continue it’s journey in leela vibhudhi forever, when leela vibhudhi is in existence.

adiyen

Srivaishnava dasan

 
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namah! Sri Sriranga Narayana Jeeyar Swamigal Saranam! Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamigal Thiruvadigale Saranam! 

PD Jayaram Swami, Namaskaram. With Azhwar, Acharyara blessing, adiyen would like to refer to the following Azhwar Paasuram (Thiruvaimozhi 4.1.9 and 4.1.10) 

படி மன்னு பல் கலன் பற்றோடு அறுத்து * ஐம்புலன் வென்று
செடி மன்னு காயம் செற்றார்களும் * ஆங்கு அவனை இல்லார்
குடி மன்னும் இன் சுவர்க்கம் எய்தியும் * மீள்வர்கள் மீள்வு இல்லை
கொடி மன்னு புள் உடை * அண்ணல் கழல்கள் குறுகுமினோ

Even though people may go to heaven if they have renounced the desires of this world and the wealth of the earth they have received from their forefathers, controlling the desires of their five senses, ignoring their bodies, and doing tapas, they will be born again on the earth if they do not think of the highest one with an eagle banner. If you do not want to be born again, worship his feet and you will reach his heaven, Vaikuntam.

குறுக மிக உணர்வத்தொடு * நோக்கி எல்லாம் விட்ட
இறுகல் இறப்பு என்னும் * ஞானிக்கும் அப் பயன் இல்லையேல்
சிறுக நினைவது ஓர் பாசம் உண்டாம் * பின்னும் வீடு இல்லை
மறுகல் இல் ஈசனைப் பற்றி * விடாவிடில் வீடு அஃதே

Sages may control all their desires for the world and think only of kaivalya moksha, but they will not attain Vaikuntam unless they worship the faultless lord and hold to him. They may think of him with love but that will not give them his grace or let them not be born again. Moksha is to approach him, the faultless one, and to grasp him without leaving him.

thiruvAimozhi – 4.1.10 – kuRuga miga

Please listen to our Swami’s Bhagavath Visaya Kalakshepam for a more detailed explanation and hope it will answer your queries. 

adiyen
Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan.

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0 on July 21, 2021

Badri Narayanan Swami,

Your citation and explanation bring silent tears.

– Adiyen

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4 on July 21, 2021

Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan swamy,

Thank you for your quoting.

At the outset, when I checked in the link, kaivalya motcham is given as implied one only (in the commentaries). Anyhow, I have no idea about the details of any pasurams. I intend to start 4000 divya prabhandham after I listen / read a couple of scriptures, including SriBhashyam, presently at hand.

I raised this point, since I had a thought that meditation, on other than Lord Narayanan, is not expected to get Vaikunta Prapthi.

I happened to listen to a video on Vedanta class, within 30 mins of my posting this thread and got the answer for my second portion. Had I listened to it 30 mins earlier, I would not have posted. On the first portion, my posting itself raises a query whether it is due to difference in schools of philosophy.

However, if Sri. Velukkudi Krishnan swamy renders an audio, we will get more clarity.

adiyen

Sri @pd_jayaram Swami, glad that you found the answer to the second part of the question. The reference to Kaivalya Moksham is not implicit. Sri Velukkudi Swamigal in Bhgavath Visayam Upanyasam file no. 798 Time 0.14.00 clearly refers Kaivalya Moksham to the word “இறுகல் இறப்பு” (ஆத்மாவில் மட்டும் விருப்பம் கொண்டவனான) referred in the pasuram. Praying to the Divya Dampatis that Devareer will soon get an opportunity to enjoy the utmost beautiful and priceless treasure called the Sri Sookthis rendered by our Azhwars and blessed by our Acharyars to us. 

adiyen 

on July 22, 2021

Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan swamy,

Thank you for the information with time element. Is Bhgavath Visayam Upanyasam available online or for a price.

adiyen’s special thanks for your prayer. I would like to mention that recently I procured Devimargal Vaibhavam, Purusha Suktam, Dasa Upanishad and Sri Bhashyam – Vedartha Sangraham. Need time to complete these. Hope Devimargal Vaibhavam will include Sri Sookthis.

adiyen

Devareer can also refer to some of the pasurams where Azhwars talk in detail about kaivalyam is lower and in fact, it’s a punishment even though it’s granted by Him.  

http://divyaprabandham.koyil.org/index.php/page/1/?s=kaivalya

on July 22, 2021

Thank you swamy.

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0 on July 22, 2021

 

bhAgavatha apachAram as listed in the following link:

http://pillai.koyil.org/index.php/2018/11/beginners-guide-apacharams/

The following are listed as bhAgavatha apachAram.

1.Considering other SrIvaishNavas equal to us. We should always consider ourselves lower than other SrIvaishNavas .

2.We should not hurt anyone both physically and mentally.

3.Disrespecting a SrIvaishNava based on his/her birth, knowledge, acts, wealth, place of living, colour etc must be avoided.

This is for the information for those who want to follow. Kindly do not respond to this post. I intend to take a break for sometime and hence, will not respond.

adiyen

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0 on August 13, 2021

Namaskaram.

For Vaishnavites, who attain motcham, are guided, take archiradi margam and takes dip in viraja river.

In the case of Kaivalya mukti, whether the atma follow archiradi margam?. Who guides the atma to viraja river and allow dip in the river?.

adiyen

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