In Narakam, is it sookshma shareeram, through which torture is experienced for bad deeds?

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8 on September 16, 2020

In Narakam, is it sookshma shareeram, through which torture is experienced for bad deeds? For worst paapam committed, it will be like one has to undergo the paalan in Narakam. As end comes, the jeevan leaves the body here. Then at Narakam, will sookshma shareeram enough to experience paalan?

Please clarify this doubt, Swamy.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

 
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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram RS Swami,

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami’s Aasrivadham, adiyen will share answer for the query.

 

‘1) Sookshma Shareeram is a very very very Tiny Permanent body which Nevers gets changed. We (JeevAthama) each one of us are in this Permanent body which is Invisible. Our countless actions and the Imprints of those actions (Vaasanaas) are embodied on this Sookshma shareeram, due to which there is a tendency (Ruchi) to do same Papa or same Punya based on once own vaasanaas. This Sookshma shareeram is shredded only in Virajai river when we travel to Moksham through Archaradhi margham with Acharya Ramanuja Krupai.

‘2) Sthoola Shareeram is a Temporary body that a JeevAthma gets based on their Karmas and Anthima Smrithi (last minute thoughts in death bed) which is Visible and this body keeps changing. According to Padhma Purana there 84lakh Sthoola bodies available like Deva body, Manushya body, Aquatic body, Plant body, Bacterial body, Virus Body (like the corono type) and so on….

 

Now regarding the question, The Body that one gets in Narakam to experience their bad deeds that was committed during their life period in Bhoomi is a “Sthoola sharremam” as well and Not Sookshma shareeram. Everyone one in Narakam and also Tresspassers to Narakam from other lokams whoc come to just visit Dharmam raja like Rishis etc also get to see other JeevAthmas getting punished.

 

This Sthoola Shareeram that one gets in Narakam is called the Yathana Shareeram

 The beauty of this Yathana body is fabulous.

As an example as detailed in Garuda Purana.

  • If one committed sin in Earth like taking bribe, then while in Yathana shareeram their hand will be cut by Yama’s servants (kinakaras), so that they feel the pain, then immediately within fraction of a second the hand grows, then it will be cut again and feel pain, then grows, feel pain, cut gain and so on till that papa deed is relinquished, so that in next birth he never takes any bribe due to the punishment vaasana in his subconscious memory though he will not remember the actual past punishment.
  • Same way, if one was a womanizer while in earth, then their Yatha body in Narakam is designed such a way that, he is made to hug on a burning red hot women iron idol, then his skin & flesh gets melted and he screams out loud feeling the pain, then within fraction of second the flesh and skin grows back, then he Is made to hug again and so on till his bad deeds are relinquished, and in his next birth, he respects all women as mother or sister and sees only his wife as a partner (soul mate) due to the punishment vaasana in his subconscious memory though he will not remember the actual past punishment.

Same way there are different versions of Yathana Sharareeram (Sthoola Visible bodies) available in narakam for each purpose. There are 27 Narakams designed for special treatments. Narakam is like a Rehabilitation Center for those who did Paapam in Earth.

 

But in Same Garuda Purana, it is also detailed that When one immediately changes their mind by surrendering to the Supreme BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn’s Lotus Feet (Sharanagathy), by saying I’m you Property (Sotthu), I’m your Servant, I need Moksham (Relief from this Samsaram) to Serve you Permanently in SriVaikuntam, then with BhagavAn’s Krupai received through Acharya Ramanuaja ThiruvAdi, then final Good things happens to them. This is one way WHY one does Sharanagathy on BhagavAn’s Lotus feet.

But there are other set of people like pious devotees, Acharyas, Mahans who does Sharanagathy on BhagavAn’s Lotus feet through Acharya RamanuaAr ThiruvAdi for the Joy of BhagavAn’s Happiness and Kainkaryam, since they don’t have any paapams or they don’t care about the presence of Narakam like “………………Yen Amudhinai kanda Kangal Mattraondinai Kaanaave…………….as ThiruArangathAmudhanAr Alwar says in AmalanAadhipIraan paasuram”

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

on September 16, 2020

Very nice explanation ElayaAlwar Swami. “ThiruArangathAmudhanAr Alwar” adiyen believe you mentioned “Thirupaan Alwar”. 

Adiyen. 

on September 16, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,
Devareer is correct Badri Swami. It’s ThirupaAn Alwar and since Alwar sung AmalanAdhipIraan in in SriRangam on “Aranga” nAthan as “……yen Amudhinai…..”, So Adiyen with dyslexia mixed Alwars Thirunaamam as ThiruArangathAmudhanaAr Alwar.
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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Namaskaaram Elayalwar Swamy and Badrinarayana Ramanuja Dasan Swamy.

Those explanations are an eye-opener to me. Many Thanks. Will that Yathana shareeram be having 100 resemblance to sthoola shareeram, physically, one had say in that piravi? Also, where the demarcation lies with regard to say, for these levels of paapam, it will be in earth only as, say.. kurudan, some vuunam.etc..And for these x,y,z paapam.., it will be in any of the 27 Naraka logams? Also, is getting destined to be a punjai aathma the result of worst paapam, because ignorance level will be maximum…And not even getting to a stage of deducting Paapa karmas by experiencing?
Kindly clarify Swamy.
Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

 

Namaskaram RS Swami,

 

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami’s Aasirvadham, adiyen will share details for devareer further query.

 

‘1) “……Will that Yathana shareeram be having 100 resemblance to sthoola shareeram,…….”,

ANS: Why devareer need to dig more details on to this Yathana body when it is a SCRAP body from a Prapanna’s perspective. Is someone close to devareer expecting to experience this body due to fear of punishment or just for the sake of knowing it, devareer wanted is asking. Either way, a Prapannan should aim for the “Aprakritha Shareeram” that we will get in SriVaikuntam for SriKrishna Kainkaryam due to Acharya Ramanuja Krupai.

 

‘2) “…..will be in earth only as, say.. kurudan, some vuunam.etc..And for these x,y,z paapam..,…..”

ANS: We all JeevAthmas in this Samsaram (whether in Earth or Swarga loka or Sathya loka or in Narakam etc….), we all are commonly TERMED as BhaddAthmas, means we all are PURE JEEVATHMAS (Sheshan/Parathantran) but covered with Karmas, Vaasanaas, Ruchi, Avidhya, Ahankaram, Mamakaram. The Other name for BhaddAthma is Vikalakaranan (Handicapped Athmas, we EACH ONE OF US) though we have Full Body Parts or Less Body Parts. So we EACH ONE of us are called as kurudan, vuunan due to Avidhya, karmas etc…..by looking at the BhaddAthma. After we each one of us reach Moksham with Acharya Ramanuja Grace, we will be called as PaduKaranan (Liberated Pure Athmas) with NO Karmas, NO Vaasanaas, NO Avidhya, NO Ahankaram, NO Mamakaram.

 

‘3) “……………Also, is getting destined to be a punjai aathma the result of worst paapam, because ignorance level will be maximum…………………”

ANS: Every birth in NOT JUST decided by KARMAS. So we cannot just process our mind that if one is born with physically disabled condition, it is because of just karmas though it is one of the reason.

The simple mnemonic word to remember is “KASAN” which is responsible for one’s birth,

K’ for Karmas: One may get their birth due to their Paapa karma (lower birth) or Punya karma (higher birth).

A’ for Anthima Smrithi : JadaBharathar Maharishi a Bhakthi Youga Nishtan was thinking and caring about the deer in his last minute death bead instead of BhagavAn SriKrishna, so he got deer birth next time.

S” for Shaapam : Gajendra Azhvaan (Elephant) was a King in previous birth due to shaapam got Elephant birth. Also, Dwara Palakargal got birth as HiranyaKashipu and Hiranyakshan due to SanathKumaras shaapam etc….

A” for Aasai : Hanuman Swami due to His Wish (Aasai) will be the next Brahma to do SriRama kainkaryam on Shrishti…etc….

N’ for Niyamanam : Nithyasooris, Alwars, Acharyas take birth due to BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan Order (Niyamanam) to take birth in Samsaram to uplift ignorant souls like us.

So every birth that we see in this world are not just by one’s karmas. It could be any of these 5 reasons, only ‘I’ BhagavAn know the Turth of each JeevAthmas status.

 

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

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Namaskaaram ElayaAlwar Swamy,

Many Thanks for the reply. My additional queries were out of curiosity to know, for the sake of knowing.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

No worries RS Swami. Yeah Adiyen understood. Sometimes Adiyen like to mess around with SriVaishnava Dasas and more tinker around with Ramanuja Dasas, just out of love………All is Well……😇

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

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Namaskaaram ElayaAlwar Swamy,

Dhanyosmi, Adiyen.

Adiyen Ramanujadaasan.

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