How Reincarnation or re-birth proved in SanAthana DharmA?

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

How re-birth is proved in SanAthana DharmA?

Adiyen used to argue not all are born equal, some born blind, some born physically challenged. Past Karma is the only logical reason. This still doesn’t prove such a phenomenon.

Dasanudasan

 
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Swamy,

Adiyean try to reply based on Sri Velukkudi Swamigal’s one of the pravachanams.

New born babies tend to cry;take milk from its mother,try to identify, try to speak,smell etc..,etc… all actions/activities are the result of carrying with poorva janma vaasannas and sooshma inthriyangal (to see,to hear,to smell etc.,)and thus it is the result of previous birth(rebirth). It applies to all Jeeva raasis.

 

Adiyean Ramanuja Dhasan Srinivasan.

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Adiyen srinivasa daasan .

Kindly correct and excuse adiyen’s mistakes.

The concept of no rebirth is completely illogical. So easily it can be defeated. We get birth to experience our prarabdha karmas. Firstly in the present birth we do countless karmas (both papa and punya). All of these cannot be experienced in single life. Example for a person doing one murder and other doing 1000 murder will only have life span upto 100 years max. One doing 1000 punyam and other doing 1 punyam have limited lifespan only. So here comes requirement of next birth to experience results of our karmas. If it is counter argued (by others) that remaining will be experienced in heven or hell, again birth in heven or hell or both would amount to re/new birth.

Secondly we got bhagyam to get human birth. Why other jivas are born as a tree or animal or reptile or a bacteria? Why am I born as human with life span of 80 years avg, but other organism like bacteria dies in few seconds? Why some humans are born in slum or in a poverty family and I’m not so? Why few humans die immediately on birth where as others not? Why some good people are suffering but some bad people are enjoying? Sole answer for this is karma. Non believers of rebirth will of course not accept this answer ‘karma’ which is base of birth. No other answer exist with them.

Thirdly mukthi/moksham is the state of no birth. So if we say no re birth, then whomever do whatever, will attain mukthi at end of present birth itself. So need of sampradayam, gnyanam, anushtanam ect or no need any purpose for living and, finally no need life at all.

Adiyen daasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Point blank நெத்தியடி 👷 Perfect Acharyan Arul to both Srinivasa & Vaudevan BhagavAtas on ‘Crisp and Detailed’ explanation from Sri Velukkudi Swami’s upanyasams.

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

 

In addition to Bhagavata’s reference, here is some more that adiyen would like to share with Acharyan Krupai &Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Anugraham from Swami RamanujaAcharyas VishishtaAdvaitam.

 

Every “EFFECT/RESULT” has a “CAUSE” associated with it.

Like A Clay Pot is an Effect/Result.

Can it come just out of thin Air as Majic. We know it is not true.

So there is a “CAUSE” associated with it.

That “Cause” is the combination of “Potter” & “Raw materials” & “Accessories” used.

Without a “CAUSE (Potter as the maker with knowledge & Clay as Raw material & Wheel as Accessories), there WILL NOT be any EFFECT/RESULT (Clay Pot).

 

 

Swami’s says these CAUSE as:

  1. Nimittha Kaaranam / நிமித்த காரணம்,

[Creator/ Knowledge of the Process]

  1. Upaadhaana Kaaranam / உபாதான காரணம்,

[Raw Materials used]

  1. Sakakaarika Kaaranam / சககாரிக காரணம்,

[Accessories used].

 

Then we get the EFFECT/RESULT (பரிணாமம்).

Swami says, creating the Samsaram (Leela Vibhoothi) is the EFFECT/RESULT.

The CAUSE (all three Nimittha, Upaadhaana,Sakakaarika Kaaranams) for the Creation is BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan HIMSELF.

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So this base “Sanatana Dharma theory” as revealed by Swami Ramanujar can be applied for anything.

One can say, I know the final product Clay Pot, but may not be aware of the Creator “The Potter”, that doesn’t mean the Potter doesn’t exist. So the the argument of the Creator_BhagavAn) non-existence doesn’t work.

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In this case related to how ‘re-birth is proved follows the same theory,

“Re-Birth” is the EFFECT/RESULT (பரிணாமம்).

We know now, that “without a CAUSE”, there cannot be an EFFECT/RESULT.

So now, we should know about the CAUSE.

That cause is “OUR COUNTLESS PAST ACTIONS”.

Actions are termed as KARMAS.

The result of that Action is also termed as KARMAS.

So inside the Cause,

-Nimittha Kaaranam is the “Athma” knowledgeable,

-Upaadhaana Kaaranam is its “Anaadhi Kaala Vaasanas”,

-Sakakaarika Kaaranam is its “PanchaBhootha Sthoola shareeram (Visible body).

 

So if the “Athma” used its “Anaadhikaala Vaasanas” and it’s “PanchaBhootha shareeram” for its own pleasure, then the EFFECT/RESULT is “RE-BIRTH”.

 

But if the “Athma” turns down or overcomes its “Anaadhikaala Vaasanas” with Acharya Krupai & used its “PanchaBhootha shareeram” to THINK about the Supreme BhagavAn Sriman Narayanan, SURRENDER on HIS lotus feet (Athma Samarpanam) for Nithya Kainkaryam, then the EFFECT/RESULT is “NO RE-BIRTH’.

 

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This is the PHENOMENON behind Birth-Death-Rebirth or No rebirth. Either one understands this or argues, they still have to follow this common rule set by BhagavAn.

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Our 1st Scientist “Panchikaranam Scientist” SriKrishna BhagavAn Ki Jai.

 

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Very long answers
Adiyen need more time to read understand line by line before response.

Dhanyosmi this will clear doubts of many searching for answers in the Internet including adiyen regarding reincarnation on sanAthana Dharma. That’s the purpose of the question

We don’t have seperate judgement day system and single life. When adiyen questioned why some are born physically challenged got answer “god is testing you” from other faiths.

Including breathing, breastfeeding everything based on past karma according to Swamy Desikan.

In national geographic wild channel the just born crocodiles hatching from egg goes to the river narrator terms it “instincts”. Who is teaching the just born to go into the direction of river? The survival instinct is there for every being in all births. Instinct may be driven by subconscious which is controlled by paramAthma.

So people by every faith bound to this whether they accept it or not.

Any mistakes
Kshamikkanum
Dasanudasan

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