Srimate Ramnujaye Namaha!
Das swamy, before I write a detailed reply, I would like to explain the context of this discussion. Vikram swamy asked “why are some words like Iswhara intepretted differently in different places” and devareer explained that ” some new religions which cropped up later grabbed these words”
I was a bit taken aback by this statement, as even though as vaishnavas we follow Vaishnav(ism) we should not look down or spread unknown information about other vedic paths(called vaideeha paths) – defined as theistic religion which believe in other worlds beyond earth and also believe in vedas. As kali yuga progresses there is going to be rise in aethism and all theistic religions though they may follow their own systems must unite and work against the aethistic forces.. So for that we should be respectful towards other theistic paths- which are described in vedas.. In this context please see the following proof and arguments.
Das Swamy, I am surprised that you have quoted references from modern history. Velukkudi swami have posted some enpani audios showing how modern history esp relating to religion have quite a lot of mistakes – either intentionally or due to the false methods of acquiring information.
Even if we rely on modern historians here are some for your examination:
“The origins of Shaivism are unclear and a matter of debate among scholars. Some trace the origins to the Indus Valley civilization, which reached its peak around 2500–2000 BCE” Wikipedia
“The Shvetashvatara Upanishad, likely composed before the Bhagavad Gita about 4th century BCE contains the theistic foundations of Shaivism wrapped in a monistic structure. ” – Wikipedia.
So these references are of not much use as the modern historical methods are not fool proof.
Secondly, if shaivism existed only later on then what do we classify Vishwamitrar, Agastyar, Ravana etc..Under what system do we classify as Markendyar who has lived for yugas and had worshipped both Lord Shiva and Lord Krishna.
Finally even if all these evidences are not convincing and if we assume that Shaivism was created post dwapra yuga, then why was the word “ishwara” given to Lord Shiva by Bheesma in Dwapara yuga, as shaivism was not created then and they had not yet grabbed the word.?
So only convincing answer is Sanatana Dharma has been existing eternally and all the vedic religions exist eternally, though the final destination of the different systems are different and not same.
I am deeply concerned by wrong comments given by saivaites on vaisnavism and by vaishnavites on saivism. It is time to get united and fight against aethistic forces which is going to surge in the form of non-vedic religions, forced vaccination, digital money and embedded chips in human body etc.