For Baghvathas how to classify Bearable pain and unbearable pain?.

Updated on February 8, 2022 in General
15 on January 30, 2022

Dear Swamy/Periyava,

Adiyen ramanujadasan,

Which is Bearable pain and which is unbearable pain for an Baghvathas? How to classify this in real world and today situation! For e.g : Should C19 losses are bearable pain ??? ( Losing JOb, losing relatives, Postponed functions, etc…) Should I react for an Atma loosing their life as Bearable pain and pray to Bhagwan for Moksham? Nor should I allowed to loud cry for an Atma loosing this life due to accident/sudden/aged whether they are from own family, relatives, friends, citizen,?. I am confused how to react on Pain !

 
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Govindan swami, namaskaaram.

The ideology to be used here is suppose someone from another family died in devareer’s road/street, devareer will most probably will not cry. But when someone devareer’s family dies/suffers devareer would also be inclined to be worried.

But in the Bhagavad Gita, Bhagavan says that the learned person (pandita) sees all (be it a brahmana, cow, elephant, dog-eater, etc.,) as equal. This is because he only sees the atma.

Coming back to devareer’s question, does this mean that devareer should also cry if someone dies in another family, as devareer would cry if someone dies in your family? Certainly not. 

We have to understand this the other way round. Since we would not cry for a third person’s death, we should also not cry for a close person’s death. Adiyen heard these ideas from Velukkudi swami’s “Spiritual development programme”.

But this however does not mean that the Vaishnavas should not have mercy on the suffering souls in this samsaram. That is a different topic. This crying for a lost loved one is due to material attachment. Whereas the Vaishnavas getting worried seeing a person suffering in the material world is on the spiritual platform. The Vaishnava would be very eager to see all the jivatmas in this world, to go to Sri Vaikuntam.

 

adiyen dasan

Adiyen.

The answer to this question requires fine discrimination across a very thin line.

Emotions of happiness, sadness, anger, anxiety, feelings of separation etc are there in spiritual life too; but it is focussed on Perumal, kainkaryam to Him, and those who are serving Him.

So, just the emotions are not wrong; whether the emotions are founded on spiritual conception or material conception is what matters. For example, when one’s acharyan goes to Thirunaadu for kainkaryam, we will miss him miserably; we will feel bad and naturally the emotions of sadness and crying will come.

Similarly, if someone loses a father or mother (or someone so close) naturally we will miss them and we will cry. It is wrong to think “Oh, I should not be crying” and repress one’s emotion. Even if the emotion is based on a material conception, we should not repress it based on theoretical understanding. While experiencing the emotion, we should consciously try to not let the emotion (happiness or sadness) to block us from our regular kainkaryam. Care should be taken to not let the emotion put us in excitement or dejection (about past) or anxiety (about future). We must stay grounded and do our regular day-to-day kainkaryams.

Suppose one losses one’s job, of course there will be some sadness (for most of us), and part of the sadness is, “I hope this condition should not affect my kainkaryams”.

In Bhagavad Gita Perumal says “sukhe-dhukhe sama krtva”; ‘perceivie sukha and dhukha the same’; He does not say perceive them zero/ non-existent. So, as long as we are in this world, we are bound to face happiness and sadness, ups and downs based on our karma and other factors. As we go through these experiences, we should remember “this too shall pass; all these are temporary. What is permanent is my kainkaryam to my acharyan. So, let me not make this temporary situation overwhelm me.” This is the practical way to perceive sukha and dhukha as equal. 

This is what we should practise. Instead, if we try to repress our emotions based on some theoretical understanding, that is not only wrong, that is dangerous too.

adiyen dasan. 

 

Namaskaaram Swami,

 

Thanks for pointing out the incompleteness in adiyen’s answer. Bhagavan uses the word ‘titiksasva’ while referring to sukha and dukha. So titiksha means ‘to tolerate’. So yes this tolerance doesn’t mean artificial repression of emotions. So adiyen totally agree with devareer’s following statement:

As we go through these experiences, we should remember “this too shall pass; all these are temporary. What is permanent is my kainkaryam to my acharyan. So, let me not make this temporary situation overwhelm me.” This is the practical way to perceive sukha and dhukha as equal. 
This is what we should practise. Instead, if we try to repress our emotions based on some theoretical understanding, that is not only wrong, that is dangerous too.From கம்பன்தாசன்

 

adiyen dasan

Kshamikkanum for giving an almost dangerous reply, swami.

 

adiyen dasan

on January 31, 2022

My understanding is from above is temporary emotions are unavoidable and then quickly move forward to focus perumal to overcome all those sadness.. ! understood, let me pray strongly for both Sukh/Dukh to perumal. Adiyen Ramanujadasan.

thankyou periyava for your guidance.

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3 on February 4, 2022

Sri:

Eppadiyum uyir poga poradhu. So I am not worried
Pora uyira thaduthu niruththa mudiyadhu.

Job loss etc should be of more concern till we possess this body

Perumal should take care of BhAgavatha

Pothunaapula paadhugaakkanum

Kai vidavey kudathu

Enna porutha varaikkum Ella bhAghavathAlum

Sandhoshama irukkanum

Jollya irundhuttu povomey enna thappu irukku?

Nama jollya irundha perumalukku varuthama enna?

In Bangalore upanyAsam Velukkudi Swamy told:

“Sandhosha patta punyam poradhu,
Dhukka patta pavam karaiyaradhu,
Edhu venumnu neengaley mudivu pannikkongo”

😁

Enakku idhula udanpaadu kidaiyadhu

Dhukka pattu kattupadi aagadhu

Avlo sanchitha Karma

So irukkara varaikkum jollya irundhuttu

Poidanum

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Srimate Raamaanujaaya Namaha.

Swami where did our Velukkudi Swami say, “Sandhosha patta punyam poradhu,
Dhukka patta pavam karaiyaradhu,
Edhu venumnu neengaley mudivu pannikkongo”
?
Devareer says it is Bangalore upanyasam. Kindly share the link.

Also by the word ‘sandhosam’, does devareer mean ‘material enjoyment’?

adiyen dasan

on February 4, 2022

Even i remember some Upanyasams Swami mentioned like that ! But not remember the location.

on February 4, 2022

Like Kunthi my mindset is “Kashtam koduthalum Perumal kudeve irupaan nu ore napasaai” ! Idhu podhun ennaku but how my family will see me if i am in Kunthi mindset?.

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0 on February 5, 2022

0Shravanan of Swami’s Upanyasams Swamy

Ellathukkum hyperlink kku Naa enga poven ?

En mind than link. Velukkudi dhan content. Bangalore was website.

I heard in-person upanyAsam. That day Kinchitkaram released some books and CDs many years back.

Velukkudi dhan my spiritual Guru. Avar sonna veda vakku. Irundhalum debate pannuven that is my GuNam.

Dasanudasan

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

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2 on February 5, 2022

0Govindan Narayanan Swamy

Our Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has told in EnPaNi to be in “Positive Mindset” correcta?

So kashtam vandhalum nu kekkadheengo

Evlo sandhosham vandhalum unnai maravA manam kudu

Nu kelungo

Nammakku priority Perumal dhAney thavira Kashtam Ila

Kashtam vandhA dhAn Perumal nenaippu varum nu nenacha that is Kunti’s problem not our problem

She had Krishna around, so where is Kashtam to be experienced?

When my Srimushnam Andavan was alive, time poradhey theriyadhu

Life avlo fasta odiruchu

Ippa every second is dead slow

Adiyen have huge respects for prakrutham Andavan

But to be honest I don’t see the connect

Ellathukkum edhavadhu shlokam sollungo nu sAdhikkarar

Pazhaya Andavan apdi onnumey solla maattaar take it easy policy

Adherence is my biggest problem

Dasanudasan

on February 7, 2022

Thanks for your sharing Swami! Periyavala Bangalore la sandhika mudiyuma,?

on February 8, 2022

Yaru Periyava?
Velukkudi periyava, Kanchi Maha Periyava periyava
Adiyen Chennai neechan

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Namaskaaram Vikram swami,

Sorry to say this, but adiyen read devareer’s post incorrectly. I read ‘poradhu’ as ‘pogadhu’. And ‘karaiyaradhu’ as ‘karaiyaadhu’. Kshamikkanum.

But anyway adiyen fully agree with Velukkudi Swami.

adiyen dasan

on February 8, 2022

Ok Swamy no issues
Dasanudasan

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