Hare Krishna! Aneha Koti Namaskaram!

Swami, first up, Dhanyosmi swami for posting so many questions of different variety, that keeps this forum active.

As far Adiyen’s understanding goes, Kamsa is not part of the duo, need to check the history of kamsa.

The other duos as swami may know are none other than dwarabalaka who descends to this world on a curse from sanath kumaras for stopping them from seeing Bhagavan in vaikund.

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu!

Aneka Koti Namaskarams Swami

Just one doubt. These Dwara Balakas are from Vaikuntam or Thiruparkadal?

For those who reached Vaikuntam, there is certainly no return by any means. If they return, then liberation would not be meaningful.

So, Adiyen understand that these Jayan and Vijayan are from Thiruparkadal. Please correct Adiyen if it’s wrong.

Ok. Dwarabalakas are exceptional cases. Let us see common cases.

In Muktikopanishad, Lord Rama preaches Hanuman about 4 types of Mukti viz Saloka, Sarubhya, Samebhya and Sayujya Mukti.

Lord Hanuman asks about types of Mukti. Lord Rama says, “Kaivalya Mukti, liberation from birth and death is common for all liberated souls. They all enjoy bliss. However, enjoyment of bliss differs based on one’s Sadhana before Mukti”. Then Lord Rama explains below 4 types of Mukti to Lord Hanuman.

Lord Rama says, even if a sinner realizes his mistake at some point and chants Rama nama, he will be granted Saloka Mukti. This is 4th grade Mukti. Asuras, though attain Mukti, should be attaining this. Again, Jayan and Vijayan are exceptional.

Next higher grade of Mukti is Sarubhya Mukti. If some one dies in Varanasi, which is Brahma Naadi of world, Lord Maheswara will appear in front of Jiva and chant Rama Taraka Mantra in right ear. As a result of hearing Rama nama through Lord Maheswara, all sins will be cleared and Lord Rama grants Mukti. This is Sarubhya Mukti.

Rama Taraka Mantra is, “Shri Rama Rama Rameti Rame Raame Manorame Sahasranama Tattulyam Rama Nama Varanane”. This is also preached to Lordess Parvathy by Lord Maheswara.

A person who is devoted to Lord Rama guided by Acharyan and leads a life as prescribed in Sastras attain Samebya Mukti. A person who attains this is further closer to Lord Sriman Narayana than former two.

The first grade Mukti is Sayujya Mukti, which is attained by Brahma Keeta Nyaya. A person who leads a life devoted to Lord Rama as prescribed by Acharyan and understands that Lord Rama (Lord Sriman Narayana) is Antaryami of all right from Chaturmuka Brahma to a worm (Keetam) attains this kind of Mukti through his Vedantic knowledge plus devotion to God. In fact, real surrender should be possible only after attaining this knowledge. Actually, at matured saturated stage of Gnana starts real Bakthi.

Kenopanishad raises a question, “Directed by whom our senses, mind and prana functions?”

Then it answers that, everything functions as directed by Lord Sriman Narayana who is Antaryami.

Jivas are only capable of making choices using Buddhi. The real functioning agent is Lord Sriman Narayana, who is Antaryami of all Jiva and Jada. This is the Vedantic knowledge one can attain through Upanishads. One who understands this and follows in life attains first grade Sayujya Mukti.

So, bliss is not same for the sinner and devotee. Let us not have doubt at all in this. Devotional path is certainly better than enemity and being killed by Lord Maha Vishnu.

As already stated, case of Dwarabalakas are not comparable with above 4. They were already with Lord. They were not interested to leave Him for a longer time and were curious to reach Him soon again. So, they chose the path of enemity to achieve this.

Daasanu Daasan Srinivasan Pranesh

Dhanyosmi
Adiyen
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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Dear BahagavAta,

For the intial question

Sisupalan known for “Vaidhey uindhu ponAn”

Poothana left world ” Pei mulai nanjundu ” most of the asurAs for that matter

So acting against bhagavan make us reach him faster?

below is what adiyen has heard in Sri Velukkudi Swami’s Upanyasams with Acharya Krupai.

The dwarapalakaas incident happened in kaarya Vaikuntam enpani #500 as above mentioned, which is inside Leela Vibhoothi, so everyone (BhaddAthmas) are subject to Mishra Satvam (Rajas/Tamas/Satvam/Kaalam & Karmas mixed together) except BhagavAN Sriman NarayanAn, so Jayan-Vijayan when they got shaapam from SanthKumarargal, BhagavAn gave them two choices.

• 100 janmas Bhakthi or
• 3 Janmas Dwesham on me to clear the Shaapam.

Since, they wanted to come back to BhagavAN SOONER, they chose to do 3 janmas dwesham instead of 100 janmas.

So, 1st Janma, they both birth took as HiranaKashibhu & Hiranyakshan, 2nd janma they took birth as Ravanan and Kumbhakarnan, and 3rd Janma they took as Sisupalan and adiyen forgot the name (sorry). During these 3 Janmas, they did DWESHAM towards BhagavAn as per BhagavAN instructions.

So the Question “So acting against bhagavan make us reach him faster?” needs to be corrected, since they did not act against BhagavAn, they acted as per BhagavAns wish to do Dweshan towards BhagavAN as offered by BhagavAn.

• So this reflects “Parathantriyam” by Jayan-Vijayan, like “do What BhagavAN says”, like follow Bhakthi for 100 janmas or Dwesham for 3 janmas, which they followed, based on what BhagavAN has offered.
• Moreover, BHagavAN HIMSELF has NOT offered us to do any Dweshan towards HIM to reach HIM sooner, like How HE offered to Jayan-Vijayan. So we cannot do Dwesham by our own assumption, since it will lead to more karmas and further birth-death cycle in this samsaram. So we have to do ONLY Bhakthi towards BhagavAN as per Alwars-Acharyas Instructions.

Swami has said beautifully reflecting Acharya Swami Alavandar’s quote

ஏசினார் வாழ்ந்து போனார்,

உன் புகழ் பேசினார் எம் பெறுவார்.

(Yesinaar Vaazhndhu ponaar, Un Pugazh Paesinaar Yem Peruvaar)

Meaning:

One who scolded BhagavAN as per BhagavAN wish itself got Nargadhi (Mosksham), then what would be the state of a person who Hails BhagavAn by doing Bhakthi as per HIS wish (Nargadhiyum thaandi yellam kidaikkum).

So, we Bhaktas have to do Bhakthi as per Alwars-Acharyas Instructions, since BhagavAN has said it to do via them, and BhagavAN has not said via Alwars-Acharyas to do Dwesham towards HIM to reach HIM.

Regarding Bhootana is same situation.

In Sharanagathy, there is a post rule “AnanyaBhava / Ananya Gadhitvam”. SriKrishna is very Possessive Husband. Vishamo (poison) or Amritham (nectar), anything if given to HIM dedicatedly without offering or sharing to Anya (other) devatas, then HE whole heartedly accepts it.. This is called PErumal’s “Mamaka (मामक)” bhaavam. “Mamaka” in Sanskrit means “ONLY FOR ME (MINE), Yennudayadhu Mattum”,

Bhootana wanted to GIVE the Poison Milk ONLY to SriKrishna as “AnanyaBhava”, so HE accepted it (Mamaka/Yenakku mattum Nee kondu Vandhaaya) and HE gave HER Mukthi by releasing her from her Asura body.

Again, we are not Asura Jaathi, we follow Alwar-Acharya Bhakthi Jaathi, so we cannot reach faster by doing dwesham to SriKRishna, since HE has not instructed Alwars-Acharys to do dwesham, HE instructed ONLY Bhakthi.

So, we have to leave out the Vipareetha Chinthana (dwesham) about acting against BhagavAN, and Follow the Alwar-Acharyas Sneha Bhava Bhakthi towards SriKRishna to reach HIM.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham,

Beautiful replies very well said? the key is acting per His wish. Since we are not elevated souls, let us act as per our alwar / Acharyars instructions!

adiyen

Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Dear BhagavAtas,

Adiyen believe, Vikram BhagavAtas intention is NOT to say “BhagavAN has enemies or BhagaVAn’s enemies reach faster to Moksham”, since there can be no enemy to BhagavAn as HE is the “SarvaShaktan, Sarvagjyan and JagadhPitha” for every JeevAthmas  whether we JeevAThmas are in Asura body or Deva body or ordinary human body like us or any other bodies, same as BhagavAtas explanation referring to Swami’s pravachanams.

Vikram BhagavAtA is already a Ramanuja Dasa through his Acharyan THiruvAdi leading to Swami Vedanta Desikar ThiruvAdi living under the shade of Sri Velukkudi krishnan Swami’s Anugraham. So, Vikaram BhagavAta already follows the Sneha-Bhakthi like any other Ramanuja Dasas/Dasai based on the Upanishadh word as said by our Sri Velukkudi Swami:

“Sneha Poorva AnuDhyanam BhakthiRidh Abhidheeyathe”

[Means Do Poojai/Dyanam/Bhakthi on Perumal-Thayar with “Sneham” along with the “Gyanam” that HE is the SUPREME and WE all are HIS Property (Sotthu), like a Garland flower (Gyanam) doesn’t get dried out when water (Sneham) is sprinkled as said by our Sri Velukkudi Swami. So, we Ramanuja Dasas/Dasai accumulate Gyanam along with Sneham by considering every JeevAthma is Shareeram to BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn, so Ramanuja Dasas treat everyone as Equal, since each JeevAthmas behavior is different due to their Karma level only. So, for a sharanagathan, BhagavAn removes the karmas (Dirt) that is covered on JeevAThmas (Diamond), so everyone JeevAThmas (Diamond) glows by itself and reveal their True Nature (Gyana-Parathantra Swaroopam) and there is no necessity to impart light to a diamond (JeevAthma)].

So, Vikram BhagavAta’s intention is to keep the Dharma Sandheha active by throwing/flooding the forum with questions, so Swami could answer &/or other BhagavAtas could share answers from Swami’s/PoorvAcharyas teachings, so other JeevatHmas in the forum who are covered with more Karmas get an opportunity to get Swami’s blessings, so that their CHitta Suddhi happens for Athma Ujjivanam, like How our Chitta Suddhi happened with Swami’s Krupai.

So, the subject posted matters and the authentic answers from Swami’s pravachanams matters, and the posted questions doesn’t need to reflect that the Bhagavatas intention is same as question posted.

Like Swami Embar (Shisya of Swami Ramanujar) asked question about the authenticity of “Sharanagathy Gadhyam” to Swami Ramanujar itself, like “how Perumal talked to Devareer & Will anyone believe this conversation”. Swami Embar asked this question intentionally so the authentic answer could come out from Swami Ramanujar’s ThiruVaai, so that future generation when they ask the same question, then the answer can be told as “Yes, this was already asked and answered by PoorvAcharyas”. Adiyen believe, this is the intention of Vikram BhagavAtas purpose of asking questions from different angles, while the BhagavAtA self follows Sneha-Bhakthi towards Perumal-Thayar-Alwar-EmperumanaAr-Jeeyar-Acharyars.

So, adiyen dig through some past questions and try to search answer from Swami’s pravachanams (upanyasam or enpani etc..) as much as possible and adiyen share like how other BhagavAtas are sharing authentic answers from Swami’s pravachanams.

Adiyaargal Vaazha ArangaNagar Vaazha Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamiye Innum Oru Nootrandu Irumm.

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,

Sarvam Sri Krishna Kudumbham

Sarve Janaha Sukhino Bhavanthu,

Loka Samastha Sukhino BHvanathu,

Ranu Chod Rai SriKrishna BhagavAn Ki Jai.

Sri acharya u ve velukudi krishnan swami paathangaluku kodi namaskarangal 🙂 arumaiyana kelvi vikram swami, its all about sriman narayana’s intention , sisupalan’s actions were intended by sriman narayana and prahladhazhwar’s prema bhakthi and maha vishwasam was also intended by sriman narayana 🙂

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
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Naayen vandhu adaindhen

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Dhanyosmi to
Sri Krishna Dasan Swamy
Sri Srinivasa Pranesh Swamy
And all who adiyen might have overlooked or missed

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Tath sarvam kshamyathAm dEva nArAyaNa namOsthuthEy

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Om asmad gurubyo nama:
Jai Sriman NArAyanA

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Dasanudasan
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