Dharma Bootha Gnanam

Updated on August 7, 2019 in General
15 on July 31, 2019

Sriramajayam

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Namaskaram Swamy

Adiyen listened to EnPani – 1129 – Do Agni and Vayu permeate?

Swamy has explained in it that Devas like Agni, Vayu, Surya, Chandra, etc., reside in their respective lokas and permeate with their Dharma bootha gnanam.  Rishis like Sowkari was also able to use dharma bootha gnanam to permeate into multiple sareerams.  

Gods like Brahma, Saraswathi, Rudhra, Parvathi, etc., reside in their respective lokas.  Adiyen’s doubt is whether these Gods too permeate in other places through their dharma bootha gnanam like Agni, Vayu, etc., in order bless their devotees.

Adiyen humbly request Swamy to clarify this doubt.

Adiyen,

Venkhatesh.

 

 
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5 on July 31, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
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Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Satya loka is top most of 14 layers. Swarga is 3rd from Bhumi. Obviously with higher GyAnam they will also permeate as per basic logic.

This is adiyen’s understanding.

In fact oordhva pundram itself represent higher state of consciousness.

Dasanudasan

on August 1, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Thank you for answering Swamy. Adiyen cannot understand what you mean by the statement oordhva pundram represents high state of consciousness.
Adiyen

on August 2, 2019

ஸ்ரீமதே ரங்கராமானுஜ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:

Oordhva Pundram means ThirumaN on forehead. It goes vertically above. Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy says thraiyak Pundram means the horizontal one. Oordhva is the vertical. The horizontal keeps remaining in this loka. Vertical reaches Sri Vaikundam the Vishnu Padam.

As per adiyen’s understanding the more we go below (Adharam) the lesser our senses work. The higher we move above the more potential of the soul reveals.

For example bhathAlam is land of reptiles adiyen understand. The serpamt kings and so on live there. That’s why every time we do Sandhya Vandhanam we go above seven layers. Not below.

Except 1st para rest is adiyen’s understanding.

Dasanudasan

on August 3, 2019

Sriramajayam

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Thank you Swamy

Adiyen

 

on August 3, 2019

Sriramajayam

Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Adiyen could understand your explanation Swamy.  Thank you.  Should adiyen derive that Sriman Narayana alone has the quality of sarva vyabagathvam thereby existing and pervading everywhere by His swaroopam and that other Devatas pervade through their dharma bootha gyanam?

Kindly clarify.

Adiyen

on August 3, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Don’t know Swamy any learned person can take it forward.

Dasanudasan

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

Beautiful Vikram BhagavAta explaining with Acharya Krupai and Swami’s Arul. Remaining adiyen will REGURGITATE from Swami’s audios.

Dear Venkatesh BhagavAta,
Regarding BhagavAtas question, “Should adiyen derive that Sriman Narayana alone has the quality of sarva vyabagathvam thereby existing and pervading everywhere by His swaroopam and that other Devatas pervade through their dharma bootha gyanam?”,

Answer is YES. Swami explains the same in enoani #1129 in the mud portion of the audio.

The Uvamaanam (materialistic reference) that can be closely related for our Visual understanding about the Uvameyam (BhagavAn’s Sarva Vyabhagatvam and Devatas or ours Dharma Bhootha Gyanam) is by using the “CANDLE LIGHT” example from Swami’s upanyasams.

Candle itself doesn’t emit light without igniting.
The ignition power is only available with a lighter or matchstick say for an example.

After igniting the candle in the dark room, it’s light gets spread out in the room to some distance depending upon the size of the candle.

This candles are the Devatas, and the distance at which the light is spread out is its own Dharma bhootha Gyanam. But the candle itself doesn’t have light unless the igniter (BhagavAn) provides it’s light power to the candle by prevadig in the candle. So the main source of only light is BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn as “Sarva Vyabhagatvam”.

So there can be different size candles (different Devatas or us) who can emit the borrowed Primary light from the Ignitor (BhagavAn), and these emitted light distance (its own Dharma Bhootha Gyanam) from each candles (JeevAthmas,) can vary.

Ignitor : Primary ONE and ONLY ParamAthma Sriman NarayanAn,
Candles: Countless JeevAthmas either in Deva bodies, Human bodies etc….

Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on August 5, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Swamy,

“But the candle itself doesn’t have light unless the igniter (BhagavAn) provides it’s light power to the candle by prevadig in the candle. ”

AthmA is swayam prakAshikA why we need ignitor?

Dasanudasan

on August 5, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha
Thank you very much Swamy for clarifying the doubt.
From this discussion Adiyen could interpret that though an athman is swayam prakasham, it is being created by Bagavan and it is He who blesses an athman with such a quality. For any thathvam be it chithu or achithu to exist in its form, Bagavan should pervade in it and reside as Antharyami. All thathvams are being borne by Bagavan Sriman Narayanan as His sareeram.
Adiyen has heard in one of Swamy’s discourses that Bagavan has the potential even to destroy a jivathma but He never does that out of His mercy and hence we all remain anaadhi.
This is Adiyen’s understanding. Please correct me if my interpretation is not right .

Adiyen

on August 5, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Assumption is wrong Swamy.

“From this discussion Adiyen could interpret that though an athman is swayam prakasham, it is being created by Bagavan and it is He who blesses an athman with such a quality. ”

If that’s the case one need not call an athman as swayam prakAsham

AthmA is eternal . It is shareeram of Perumal. Creating an athman will lead to non-existent dosham.

As Perumal always exists so does Athman. Athman can neither be created nor be destroyed

AthmA is nyAna swaroopan. AthmA does not contain knowledge AthmA itself is knowledge – Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy

Even before creation AthmA exists. Ref: AchArya Hrudt Kalakshepam by Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy

Perumal can no way interfere with Athman as such even though he is Sarva Shakthan because AthmA as such is full of knowledge

Such a knowledge is that ATHMAN is NOT SARVANTHARYAMI

Only if its bound by karma and achith shareeram Athman is subject to action and reaction.

That’s why adiyen said don’t know
.
Only difference adiyen observe ParamAthma is SARVANTHARYAMI AND ATHMA IS NOT

Adiyen don’t know about Dharma Bhootha GyAnam as it is confusing to adiyen. Experts like Kongil PirAtti Swamy can clarify

Any mistake(s) Kshamasva
????????
Dasanudasan

on August 5, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha
Thanks a lot Swamy for highlighting upon it. Let’s wait for an apt explanation about dharma booths gyanam.
Adiyen

on August 6, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Adiyen sincerely thank Vikram Swamy and Kongil Piratti Swamy for explaining the concept. Adiyen again listened to EnPani – 1129 and got clarified.
Thank you
Adiyen

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Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,

 

Nandri Venkhatesh Bhagavata for the understanding. That’s what adiyen mentioned in the above thread as:

 

“Answer is YES. Swami explains the same in enpani #1129 in the mid portion of the audio.” and some explanation using Uvamaanam example.

 

 

Dear Vikram BhagavAta,

“Candle itself is Achit (Jada Porul) and JeevAthma is Chit (Swayam Prakasham), we all know that.

Most Uvamaanam examples use Achit reference to describe the closest possible way of the Uvameyam (Divine subject) to make one understand to some extent, but this Uvamaanam itself cannot fully establish the Uvameyam.

 

Another example:
Most of us cannot visualize the Uvameyam (Tatva-Trayam) “How countless Achit & countless Chit are Body of ONE ParamAthma”. So in order to make it understand, Uvamaanam example Robot is used like:

* Inside Chip is ParamAthma, and
*Countless metal parts covering the Chip (ParamAthma) is the Chit (JeevAthmas), with
*Masking rubber materials as Achit which is overlayed on Chit/ParamAthma.

 

So here, the example Robot (Uvamaanam) is used to closely describe the Tatva-Trayam (Uvameyam) to make us understand. So if we don’t channelize our brain in proper way, then we could end up is saying as “Robot” itself is Achit (Jada Porul), then how it has Swayam Prakasham (Chit) and Sarva Vyabhagatvam (ParamAthma). This is not the point here.

 

Same way, we know that Candle light properties are Jada Porul, so Swami uses it as Uvamaanam to describe the Uvameyam (Athma/Dharma Bhoota gyam): as how the light from candle fills up the room. Candle itself is at only one location but it’s Dharma Bhoota gyanam is spread out in the room, like we Chit (Athma) are inside this particular body but we are residing in the heart at one location like the candle in one location, but the Athma’s Dharma Bhoota gyanam is spread out throughout our body like the light from the candle spread out in the room. So don’t literally equate Candles physical properties to Athma’s physical properties, as candle us just an example ,(Uvamaanam) for explanation purpose to make us understand.

 

 

Dear All BhagavAtas,

Regarding Venkhatesh BhagavAta statement “Athma can be destroyed“,

YES, adiyen has heard in Swami’s upanyasam that only BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn has the ability to do it, but HE doesn’t do it due to HIS KARUNAI.

 

That’s why BhagavAn is the only person who has “AGADITHAKATANA SAAMARTHYAM“. Only other JeevAthmas don’t have ability to destroy or cut other Athmas. Swami has said, BhagavAn doesn’t destroy an Athma due to HIS KARUNAI, but if HE wishes, HE can do as well. But HE expects the Athma to correct itself when HE gives a body to them and expects us to follow rules (shastras) and avoid vidhantha vaatham, instead focus/follow of what Mayans/Rishis/Acharyas have laid for us for BhagavAt Preethyartham/Kainkaryam.

 

Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.

Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,

Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.

on August 6, 2019

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri KongilPiratti Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Swamy,

Thanks for reminding based on our Swamy’s pravachanams. Excellent explanation. To understand to adiyen will take time. Need to read at least thrice. Esp. Robot example.

Here adiyen have intricacy doubt “but if HE wishes, HE can do as well.” based on which pramANam Swamy?

If adiyen can refer and learn it will be better. Devareer have please share.

Dhanyosmi
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Dasanudasan

on August 7, 2019

Sriramajayam
Srimate Ramanujaya Namaha

Adiyen thank Kongil Piratti Swamy and Vikram Swamy for taking efforts to clarify the doubt. Thank you very much.

Adiyen

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