Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,
Nandri Venkhatesh Bhagavata for the understanding. That’s what adiyen mentioned in the above thread as:
“Answer is YES. Swami explains the same in enpani #1129 in the mid portion of the audio.” and some explanation using Uvamaanam example.
Dear Vikram BhagavAta,
“Candle itself is Achit (Jada Porul) and JeevAthma is Chit (Swayam Prakasham), we all know that.
Most Uvamaanam examples use Achit reference to describe the closest possible way of the Uvameyam (Divine subject) to make one understand to some extent, but this Uvamaanam itself cannot fully establish the Uvameyam.
Most of us cannot visualize the Uvameyam (Tatva-Trayam) “How countless Achit & countless Chit are Body of ONE ParamAthma”. So in order to make it understand, Uvamaanam example Robot is used like:
* Inside Chip is ParamAthma, and
*Countless metal parts covering the Chip (ParamAthma) is the Chit (JeevAthmas), with
*Masking rubber materials as Achit which is overlayed on Chit/ParamAthma.
So here, the example Robot (Uvamaanam) is used to closely describe the Tatva-Trayam (Uvameyam) to make us understand. So if we don’t channelize our brain in proper way, then we could end up is saying as “Robot” itself is Achit (Jada Porul), then how it has Swayam Prakasham (Chit) and Sarva Vyabhagatvam (ParamAthma). This is not the point here.
Same way, we know that Candle light properties are Jada Porul, so Swami uses it as Uvamaanam to describe the Uvameyam (Athma/Dharma Bhoota gyam): as how the light from candle fills up the room. Candle itself is at only one location but it’s Dharma Bhoota gyanam is spread out in the room, like we Chit (Athma) are inside this particular body but we are residing in the heart at one location like the candle in one location, but the Athma’s Dharma Bhoota gyanam is spread out throughout our body like the light from the candle spread out in the room. So don’t literally equate Candles physical properties to Athma’s physical properties, as candle us just an example ,(Uvamaanam) for explanation purpose to make us understand.
Dear All BhagavAtas,
Regarding Venkhatesh BhagavAta statement “Athma can be destroyed“,
YES, adiyen has heard in Swami’s upanyasam that only BhagavAn Sriman NarayanAn has the ability to do it, but HE doesn’t do it due to HIS KARUNAI.
That’s why BhagavAn is the only person who has “AGADITHAKATANA SAAMARTHYAM“. Only other JeevAthmas don’t have ability to destroy or cut other Athmas. Swami has said, BhagavAn doesn’t destroy an Athma due to HIS KARUNAI, but if HE wishes, HE can do as well. But HE expects the Athma to correct itself when HE gives a body to them and expects us to follow rules (shastras) and avoid vidhantha vaatham, instead focus/follow of what Mayans/Rishis/Acharyas have laid for us for BhagavAt Preethyartham/Kainkaryam.
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam.
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr THIRUVADI,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.