Barathazhwan in Sriramayanam

Updated on July 13, 2020 in Avatars
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Srimate ramanujaya nama:

In Sriramayana when Baratha-satrugana left ayothi to his relative’s place all calamities took place!
When dasaratha left his life, he claimed that kaikeye is not his wife and baratha is not his son(dasaratha’s last words). By keeping this in mind Vaishita acharyar and other scholars denied Baratha from doing the charama kainkaryam to his own father Dasaratha(though being elder). But when it comes to taking over ayodhi rajyam bharatha was insisted to become king!
When bharatha was denied to do anthima samskaram but he was forced to take up rajyam alone?
This point adiyen wasn’t able to understand with my little knowledge pl pardon any mistakes and kindly clarify swamy.

Adiyen dasan.

 
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5 on July 7, 2020

Sheshadri swamy, wasn’t that part of the package Kaikeyi received from Dasaratha?

1. Bharatha should be crowned. 2.Rama should be exciled.

In fact Dasaratha was okay with only the first one. But Kaikeyi insisted on both being implemented.

This is my understanding. Please feel free to correct me.

adiyen dasan.

on July 7, 2020

Adiyen… Thank you for taking time to reply swamy
But my question is on why Bharatha deined to do charama kainkaryam- or in other words what might be cause of dhasaratha renouncing baratha and kaikeyi at charama dhasai! Ofc as asked by kaikeyi he was coranated
Pl pardon my way of question will put it in other words. Shamikka prathikiren
Dasan

on July 7, 2020

Swami, even though Vasishstar might have denied initially but who did the final charama kainkaryam for King Dasaratha? Was it not Bharatha?

Adiyen

on July 8, 2020

It was shatrugna swami after bharat was banned from last rites but forced to throne.

on July 8, 2020

So he chose Padua devi for throne

on July 8, 2020

Dhanyosmi swami..

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

When did Bharatha rule it was Sri Rama’s PAduka which Anna gave to thambi

PAdukA rajyam was termed better than RAma Rajyam that’s because BharathazhwAn was a BhAgavathA

BharathA never ruled. It was “On-behalf”

Kshamikka PrArthikiren

Dasanudasan

on July 7, 2020

Adiyen,

Bharatha didnt accept the rule and ruled on behalf of thiruvadi nilai of perumal.
Shamika prathikiren
Dasan

on July 8, 2020

Correct that’s what adiyen said. What is the difference in devareer’s statement?

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Namaskaram Swami

No Rajyam should be ‘A’ Rajyam i.e without a king and that is what Vashitar thought too and for this he asked Bharata to take the Simhasanam and be crowned and earlier he stated that one who has no relation to the king cannot do the Antima Karyams or Samskaram and this is a Paradox here for this Bharata angrilly shouted at Vashitar at the court in everyones presence and this accounted for a Bhagwata Apacharam, for this Aparadham Sri Rama made Bharata to do Prayachitadam by asking for forgiveness from Vashistar and 14 years of Bharata’s Vrattam.

So this is also a reason why Sri Rama did not came back with Bharata when they met at the woods, apart from considering another point, as Devas performed Saranagathi unto the lotus feet of the lord to save them from Ravana.

Adiyen

on July 8, 2020

Dhanyosmi swami
Adiyen

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9 on July 8, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

“and this accounted for a Bhagwata Apacharam, for this Aparadham Sri Rama made Bharata to do Prayachitadam by asking for forgiveness from Vashistar and 14 years of Bharata’s Vrattam.”

– Sqamy based on which pramANam devareer saying? This is new to adiyen

Dasanudasan

Sri Ramayanam Upanayasam By Velukkudi Krishnan Swami

Adiyen

I don’t remember to have said anywhere that Rama made Bharata to seek prayascittam. Even if I have said, it is wrong. Pls correct it.

on July 8, 2020

Sri Acharyar U Ve Velukudi Krishnan Swami thiruvadigale saranam
Dhanyosmi swami
Adiyen also does not think so that this was ever said in swami’s upanyasam, it was new to me as well.

on July 8, 2020

But adiyen do remember Rama angry at lakshmana for thinking bharatha was greedy for rajya

on July 8, 2020

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@ Velukkudi Krishnan swami, Kshamika Pratikkaren, Adiyen used the wrong word stating Prayachittam it was never that, however, Rama could have got upset with Bharata Haranguing Vashitar and it accounted for Bhagwata Apacharam and for this one reason apart from the Devas Saranagathi, Rama did’nt proceed back with Bharata to Ayodhya. Again sorry everyone and especially Krishnan Swamy for using the wrong word ( Prayaschittam).

Adiyen Dasan

on July 9, 2020

Ramanuja-Parakalan swamy, namaskaram

Rama could have got upset with Bharata Haranguing Vashitar and it accounted for Bhagwata ApacharamFrom Ramanuja-ParaKalandasan

என்பது வேளுக்குடி ஸ்வாமி தன் உபன்யாசத்தில் சொன்னதா, அல்லது தாங்கள் யூகித்ததா? தயவுசெய்து தெளிவுபடுத்தவும்.

அடியேன் தாசன். 

 

 

 

 

on July 10, 2020

Namaskaram Swami

Manavala Mamunigal has stated once that one who misses out what our Poorvacharyas have stated and does his own Add-ons then he is a Moorkhan so Adiyen would have heard it somewhere in Swami’s Upanayasams as a reference for what Bhagwata Apachara can lead to major pain and miserableness in  one’s life, as far as Bharata is concerned for him the major pain itself would be the separation for 14 years from Sri Rama and the reason had been the major offence which he commited i.e Bhagwata Apacharam of Haranguing Vasishtar, So there is no Add- ons of Adiyen in  it and Adiyen Kshamika Pratikkaren if in case Adiyen hurted anyones sentiments of deviating for Krishnan Swami’s words.

Adiyen Dasan

on July 10, 2020

Thank you for clarifying swamy. மிக்க நன்றி.

அடியேன் தாசன்.

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Namaskaram Swami

When a Sarangata is humiliated he feels 2 things 1- Its my remaining Karma which is decreasing and 2- Its blessing in disguise, out of my remaining Papams Bhagwan is teaching me of developing Vairagyam.

However, A sharanagata when Praised, again remembers the above 2 mentioned but here to include  out of remaining Punya Karmas, but when something happens out of Punya Karma why it is that for few seconds or few minutes the elatedness arises even after knowing that it is Asthiram and Alpam, is it because of Samsara Vasanai or something else ??

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Actually Adiyen Tried to Post it as a New Thread but what to do out of 7-9 new threads Adiyen  created, none has been displayed and this is the new one and the issue still persists, leave aside display, in the profile display section it shows no topics created, so do guide Adiyen of resolving this issue.

Adiyen Dasan

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0 on July 13, 2020

Swami, 

It is very surprising that  you are unable to create new threads.

Swamy, are you following the procedure described in https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/thread/dharma-sandeha-createposting-a-question/

Can you let us know which device are you using , computer/phone? 

Also in phone desktop view does not show “approve” option it seems as per  above thread.

If following the above thread does not help..Can you list the steps you followed( including device type /  browser mode) ?

Step 1: Login to account in (computer/mobile)

Step 2: type  question  and submit button.. then what message appears..

so on step by step you can narrate and we can see where the problem is.

Thanks

Adiyen

 

 

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Adiyen Followed every step as provided by clicking the above link and Adiyen accessed through

phone too of mobile version only swami but Adiyen did’nt find any arrow after creating the topic  then checked over following tab and in that no arrow found

on July 13, 2020

Please click Following posts and there should be all your posts , then look for > symbol on left side of your question post swami , the arrow is not under all posts

on July 13, 2020

Thanks @ enpanifanswamy and @dasrathi swami got it 

Adiyen

You can view it, thread title is Praise and Insult for a Saranagatha

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