Srimate Raamaanujaaya Namaha!
Namaskaaram to Bhaagavathas,
How to avoid unnecessary quarrels from fellow people in our day to day lives? Adiyen see all types of quarrels as hurdles to our kainkaryam. Sometimes some people misunderstand us, and unnecessarily start quarreling. So how do we deal with such situations?
adiyen dasan.
This happened to our ancestors also. Swamy AnanthAzhwan thought Perumal himself was an obstacle to Kainkaryam.
The obstacles are TESTs given by Perumal
Dasanudasan
Srimate Raamanujaye Namaha,
Yes swamy, as we are in age of kali , it is expected.
https://vedabase.io/en/library/sb/1/1/10/
In today s enpani audio 2280 Swami explained how by reciting and hearing Bhagwataam one can remain aloof from effects of Kali and can help others.
In addition to hear well and regularly, other aspects that Bhagwaatam suggests like 4 principles of religion – Austerity, truthfulness, cleanliness and mercy can be followed by rising early, reciting scriptures and chanting Holyname , keeping surroundings and heart clean and by taking only Prasadam.
But all these can be done in this age only by Acharya Kataaksham.
Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan
Namaskaaram Vikram swami,
Yes swami, agreed. Obstacles are indeed tests given by Emperuman. But it is very difficult to cross over them sometimes. Can devareer please elaborate the story about Swami Ananthazhwan which you metioned here?
Namaskaram EnPaniFan swami,
Adiyen read the verse which devareer shared and also heard Swami’s EnPani audio. Adiyen’s question is mainly about the misunderstandings of other people. Devareer’s reply is indeed useful. I am also trying to follow them day by day.
My query is heavily based on the problematic situation. Sometimes it is seen that people show their anger at us and start quarrelling, due to certain practices we follow. For example, things like
Seeing these symptoms, people sometimes get angry. How do we deal in such situations specifically?
adiyen dasan.
Srimate Raaamnujaye Namaha
They want your company perhaps, so if time permits some useful things like exercise walking gardening etc can be done with them together. If this does not help, We can stay away from them if possible.
Else we can give them prasadam and pray for them.
Yes it is a tough situation indeed.
Adiyen
adiyen Ramanuja dasan
Namaskaram Shravan Swamy
Swamy adiyen also had and having similar experiences
Sri Bhagavat Gita 2 adiyayum will make you handle the situation
Arjuna Swamy also had similar issue
Lets say Swamy has a friend
Some how that friend created a situation where Devareer have to drink a Cup of coffee – but Devarareer don’t want to do that because it is a sin – so this creates frustration and this frustration can create anger or sadness
Similarly Arjuna Swamy had a friend ( speaking from Arjuna’s point of view)
Some how that friend created a situation where Arjuna have to kill his Acharya – but Arjuna don’t want to do that because it is a sin – so this creates frustration and this frustration can create anger and sadness
To cure Arjuna’s frustration his friend told him that Arjuna thinks everybody as body and so gets frustrated because killing means that person will die and also
thinks that HE IS THE DOER
THAT FRIEND GAVE THE DEHA ATMA VIVEGA GNANAM AND WITH ITS KARTRITVA, MAMMA AND PALA THYAGAM TO ARJUNA
THAT CURED ARJUNA’S FRUSTRATION
Lets come to Devareer situation
If Devareer thinks that the situation created wherein Devareer was made to drink coffee was created by his friend
Answer is no – situation was created by the ULTIMATE – Devareer’s friend is just an instrument
If Devareer is thinking that Devareer is drinking coffee
Answer is no – Devareer cannot do anything independently – Devareer is just an instrument.
Because of drinking coffee Devareer gets frustrated which becomes either as sadness or anger
Answer is – if Devareer is not the doer there is no fruit namely Sin in this situation
If no sin no need to get sadness or anger
So no need of quarrel
So Devareer will be neutral
This is not an excuse to drink coffee but if Devareer is made to do so even after all honest efforts to avoid – experience the situation with DEHA ATMA VIVEGA GNANAM. – slowly the frequency of such situations come down and does not happen ever again because of neglect to that situations by Devareer because of DEHA ATMA VIVEGA GNANAM
so it is better to experience any situation with DEHA ATMA VIVEGA GNANAM rather than avoiding the situation.
DEHA ATMA VIVEGA GNANAM should be PRACTICAL NOT JUST THEORITICAL
that is saying to oneself that ADIYEN IS ATMA NOT BODY will not work ADIYEN HAS TO BE ATMA
Swamy a boy says to himself that I am a girl and want to behave be like a girl – it is not possible
To behave like a girl the Boy has to become a girl really – saying that I am a girl will not work
Same thing
Se it is difficult to be what we are not it is easy to be what we are really
To be as body is very difficult because we are not body and so all frustration anger quarrel happiness etc happens without ending
To be as ATMAN is very easy because we are ATMAN
FOR A BOY IT IS EASY TO BE A BOY THAN TO BE A GIRL
Swamy this is reason for frustration and quarrel in both of us situation
Swamy this is from Sri Bhagavat Gita
adiyen can tell a metaphor if Devareer is interested
Please Devareer reply adiyen if interested to know the metaphor
Thoughts of adiyen Acharya
adiyen Ramanuja dasan
Srimate Raamnujaye Namaha,
Madan swamy, many of your explanations seems to be applicable for very exalted souls or souls in very enlightened state. So your view points seems to be at a point of meeting between Adwaita and Visishita adwaita.. If not properly applied , beginners may apply it as aadvaitha.. this is what I felt .. not sure.
Adiyen
Thirukachidaasanudasan
Namaskaaram EnPaniFan swami,
Thanks for devareer’s reply. Adiyen will try to use the best out of a bad bargain in all circumstances.
Namaskaaram Madan swami,
Devareer’s reply is very interesting. Devareer have given a very elaborate explanation to adiyen. As far as I can understand I think devareer is trying to say that “We must try as far as possible to avoid a bad situation. If not possible then we have to take it as a divine intervention”. Am I correct in understanding devareer’s post? Please forgive adiyen if I have misunderstood. Also yes swami please share the metaphor too. I am still trying to understand devareer’s post fully…
adiyen dasan
adiyen Ramanuja dasan
Namaskaram Shravanan Swamy
Yes Swamy by Acharya anugraham Devareer told exactly what adiyen meant by Acharya anugraham
“We must try as far as possible to avoid a bad situation. If not possible then we have to take it as a divine intervention” and should experience without reaction
Slowly frequency of situations come down by Acharya anugraham
Swamy thank you very much for Devareer’s interest for knowing the metaphor
adiyen will post shortly by Acharya anugraham
adiyen Ramanuja dasan
swamy,
point of meeting between Adwaita and Visishita adwaita
Could not understand in the current text. Can you explain?
adiyen
Srimate Raamanujaya Namaha!
Swamy, in the current text, Swamy explained that good or bad just accept it as divine intervention and proceed.. so there is no good no bad all one.. that is similar to Adwaitha. In another angle there are circumstances which are good to make my consciousness and service to Krishna better and there are which are not.. such distinction is made in Visisihta Adwaita. But in exalted stage, perhaps one may accept that such testing situations though not conducive as Lord’s play and may proceed. This is what i referred to swami.. not sure if it is strictly valid as adwaitha and vishishta adwaita are more base d on the classificaiton of cit , acit and Bhagawan. But i extended the same principle here – oneness vs distinction.
Adiyen
@Shravanan Swamy
Abstract from website
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ananthAzhwAn’s wife accepts the boy’s help in absence of ananthAzhwAn. Coming to know about that, ananthAzhwAn becomes very angry and he starts chasing the buy and finally throws his crow-bar on the boy. The crow-bar hits the chin of the boy but the boy vanishes into the temple. thiruvEnkatamudaiyAn‘s chin itself looks hurt and that is why even today pachai karpUram (camphor) is applied on thiruvEnkatamudaiyAn’s chin to cool down the wound.
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Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:
Seri at one end we saw AnanthAzhwan getting angry.
Being a Sri Vaishnavite he too got “angry”!!!
So a Sri Vaishnavite is not an anger winner but a “committed” liver. When it comes to Perumal there is no 2nd choice or compromise!!!
One step above “Swamy says AchArya Niyamanam”. It adds to the cream of Kainkaryam
Let’s see other way round:
Ambareesha was passive. He accepted what he was supposed to get. A true “Tenkalai” based perspective. I did my duty let God take care.
So AnanthAzhwan , I attribute “Vadakalai” based perspective. Take the initiative & do whatever the outcome may be. Pull Perumal from his divine abode.
But hold on we don’t worship “Parashurama” because of his non-sAthvika anger but here anger too is directed towards Perumal’s Kainkaryam so it’s acceptable.
Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
IS PERUMAL HIMSELF AN OBSTACLE TO PERUMAL’S KAINKARYAM?
YES, TRUE, FACT!!!
https://guruparamparai.wordpress.com/tag/nanjeeyar/
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Once periya perumAL stood up and tried to watch nampiLLai’s upanyAsam. thiruviLakku pichan (a srivaishnava who took care of the lamps and lighting in the sannidhi) looked at periya perumAL in standing posture and pushed him down to his lying down posture saying that he cannot move in archAvathAram. emperumAn even broke his archA samAdhi to watch and listen to nampiLLai.
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I FEEL LIKE CRYING
MY EYES ARE WASHING MY FACE
SEE HOW MANY STORIES WE HAVE.ANANTHAZNWAN
PERIYA PERUMAL
PERUMAL KEEPS SPEAKING WITH US
WHAT A GOD WE HAVE
WHAT TO SAY
All credits to Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy
Without Swamy, how will I know
Who is Nanjeeyar?
Who is Nampillai?
Who is AnanthAzhwan?
Who is Ambareeshan?
Prahlada narada parashara pundareeka
Vyasa ambarisha shuka shownaka Bheeshma thalbyan
Rukmangada Arjuna Vasishta Vibheeshana Aadeen
PuNyAnimAn Parama BhAgavathAn smarAmi….
NamO nama sath Gurubya
Sath GurubyO NamO Nama:
NamO nama Sath Gurubya
Sath GurubyO namO Nama:
Govinda Nama sankeerthanam
Govindaa Gooovinda
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DASANUDASAN
