Are vanaras not monkeys but seperationn creation like yaksha and likes?

ElayaAlwar 0 0 on April 23, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami,

With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami’s Aasrivadham, here is the definition of word “Vanara वानर” pulled from Wikipedia which could have been posted by some unknown devotee, but it makes sense.

In Sanskrit,

van वन means forest,

nara नर means human.

So “Vanara वानर” refers to a group of people living in forests, The closet Tamil word is காட்டுவாசி. It could be any anyone with Human faced or anyone like Bear faced like Jambhavan Swami or like the ones belonging to Hanuman Swami’s category or any Ape in forest. In present days, we have shrinked the usage of the word Vanara just to monkeys which makes it appear that how did present monkeys have that much valour and skill like humans.

Vanaras are created by Brahma to do Kainkaryam to SriRama in battle against Ravana. They are powerful and have many godly traits. Taking Brahma’s orders, the demi-gods began to parent sons in the semblance of monkeys (Ramayana 1.17.8). The Vanaras took birth in bears and monkeys attaining the shape and valor of the demi-gods and demi-goddesses who created them (Ramayana 1.17.17-18). After Vanaras were created they began to organize into armies and spread across the forests, although some, including Vali, Sugriva, and Hanuman, stayed near Mount Riskshavat.

Also, it is seen in Srimadh Ramayana that one time, Ravana wanted to challenge Vaali. At that time, Vaali was doing Sandhya Vandhanam as quoted by most upanyasakars. So it makes sense that present monkeys are just animals, and actual Vanara term BROADLY refers to “group of people living in forests which any face in those yugas with high skills”.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (Dhoddayachryar) Dasan.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Namaskaram Swami, 
With Acharya ThiruvAdi Bhalam and Velukkudi Swami's Aasrivadham, here is the definition of word "Vanara वानर" pulled from Wikipedia which could have been posted by some unknown devotee, but it makes sense. 
In Sanskrit, 
van वन means forest, 
nara नर means human. 
So "Vanara वानर" refers to a group of people living in forests, The closet Tamil word is காட்டுவாசி. It could be any anyone with Human faced or anyone like Bear faced like Jambhavan Swami or like the ones belonging to Hanuman Swami's category or any Ape in forest. In present days, we have shrinked the usage of the word Vanara just to monkeys which makes it appear that how did present monkeys have that much valour and skill like humans. 
  
Vanaras are created by Brahma to do Kainkaryam to SriRama in battle against Ravana. They are powerful and have many godly traits. Taking Brahma's orders, the demi-gods began to parent sons in the semblance of monkeys (Ramayana 1.17.8). The Vanaras took birth in bears and monkeys attaining the shape and valor of the demi-gods and demi-goddesses who created them (Ramayana 1.17.17-18). After Vanaras were created they began to organize into armies and spread across the forests, although some, including Vali, Sugriva, and Hanuman, stayed near Mount Riskshavat. 
Also, it is seen in Srimadh Ramayana that one time, Ravana wanted to challenge Vaali. At that time, Vaali was doing Sandhya Vandhanam as quoted by most upanyasakars. So it makes sense that present monkeys are just animals, and actual Vanara term BROADLY refers to "group of people living in forests which any face in those yugas with high skills". 
[img width='' height='']https://www.kinchit.org/dharma-sandeha/wp-content/uploads/2020/04/Vanara.jpg[/img] 
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (Dhoddayachryar) Dasan.

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ElayaAlwar 1 0 on April 25, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Velukkudi Sri Krishnan Swami Thiruvadigalukku Pallandu and DhandavAt Pranaamam for gracefully extending in Enpani #1722 ராவணனும் இந்திரஜித்தும் ஏன் தோற்றனர்?,

Vaanaras were on DHARMAM side doing Kainkaryam to Sri Rama BhagavAn, so they won, but Ravana and his team though they fully know DHARMAM, didnot follow it by doing lot of Adharmam activities with lot of lies on their side, so they lost with Sri Rama BhagavAn.

Ramou DharmavAn Vigraha………

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

ElayaAlwar 0 on April 25, 2020

Thirukkolur Ammal Vaarthaigal from Velukkudi Swami’s upanyasam in the context of all who were involved in SriRama Kainkaryam

17. அடையாளம் சொன்னேனோ கபந்தனைப் போலே!
18. அந்தரங்கம் சொன்னேனோ திரிஜடையைப் போலே!
19. அவன் தெய்வம் என்றேனோ மண்டோதரியைப் போலே!
25. அநுயாத்திரை செய்தேனோ அணிலங்கனைப் போலே!
45. வைத்தவிடத்து இருந்தேனோ பரதரைப் போலே!
46. வழி அடிமை செய்தேனோ இலக்குவணனைப் போலே!
47. அக்கரைக்கே விட்டேனோ குகப்பெருமாளைப் போலே!
48. அரக்கனுடன் பொருதேனோ பெரியவுடயாரைப் போலே!
49. இக்கரைக்கே செற்றேனோ விபீஷணனைப் போலே!
50. இனியதென்று வைத்தேனோ சபரியைப் போலே!

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vikraminside 0 0 on April 29, 2020

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But Ravana got varam not to be killed by monkeys and humans correct?

Then why does many shlokas in Srimad Ramayana says “Hari Sreshta” to Vaali/Sugreeva/Hanuman

Hari=🐒 Monkey if not what does Hari mean in this context?

What’s wrong in calling them special monkeys?

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ElayaAlwar 3 0 on April 30, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Vikram Swami,

That’s true, when Ravana got Varam from Brahma, he was over confident that humans and vaanaras are low level inefficient people to beat him, so he didnot include them in his list while asking Varam to Brahma, due to which, upon Sriman NarayanA’s order, Brahma sent the demigods sons in the form of Vaanaras (Forest People) to be spread out in Forest to do Kainkaryam when Sriman NarayanAn HIMSELF will take a Manushya Avatara as SriRama.

“Vaanaras” as per definition are group of people living in Forest, could be any animals etc and not limited to any particular animal….. So the closet ENGLISH word for VANARAS are “FOREST PEOPLE with any face appearance with high skill sets” so the word vanarais not limited to any particular faced people. So sub dividing further Forest People (Vaanaras) as special bear or special monkeys will be based up on, ones on point of interest, since there is no equivalent word for VANARA in the English dictionary.

However the English translated words doesn’t matter, HOW WE SHOW THE RESPECT TO THESE VAANARA’S who did SriRama Kainkaryam matters by calling them as Jambhavan Swami, Sundara Hanuman Swami, Sugreva Maharaj etc… from now on is important, which Adiyen believe every true devotee like devareer’s intention as well to get SitaPiratti-Rama Anugraham. Correct Vikram Swami?

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

ElayaAlwar 0 on April 30, 2020

Also Vikram Swami,
The English word “Monkey” as we see in this practical world is equivalent to “Markata” in Sanskrit, which are one another same.
For Sanskrit word “Hari”, it also means same face as Markata but not same feature as monkey. So as informed above, we can call only as “special monkeys” in English, but it is better to say those BhagavAtas appropriately as Jambhavan Swami, Sundara Hanuman Swami, Sugreva Maharaj etc….. But though Vaali also had special skills as termed as Hari, it is better to call Vaali as a monkey Markata itself and not Hari by mind, since he was useless, cheater and didnot fight with Ravana when he was crossing over his land.

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vikraminside 0 on April 30, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

Sri:

Adiyen now understand vaanara are forest dwellers equivalent to forest people (Kattuvaasi).

A kattuvaasi in the form of a monkey is still a monkey.
A kattuvaasi in the form of a bear is still a bear.
A kattuvasi in the form of a bird is still a bird

See we still say Garuda is against snake
Aadisesha is a snake

It doesn’t mean we degrade them. That is the form given to them by Perumal

Perumal resides in every form including animals as Krishna Premi Swamy said that’s why he did animal avatArs

When adiyen said “Sita” someone corrected me saying we should suffix with “Sita pirAtti” north they call “Sita mata”.Sometimes we say “Sita devi”. North may not understand “PirAtti”.

The point here is whether we not include respect or not. It is whether they actually what they are.

AthmAnAm mAnusham manye

Says Sri Ram “I am human”

Do we consider him human? That’s a different story but according to Srimad Ramayana he himself asked him to be potrayed as human as to do justice to the varam

Do we consider VaanarAs as Nara-Simha? Half human half 🦁? Half human half 🐒? (i don’t think so)

My mother asked
“In dasha avathar we see matsya as half fish and half man”

I said that’s only in golu & drawings actually perumal was fully “Fish” only

Because the Rishi says “You are not a fish because Fishes will not speak but you are speaking”

So vanaraas of monkey classification were in monkey form with supreme qualities

So Markata with higher qualities

Adiyen not saying “Naa pudicha muyalukku moonu kall”

Adiyen just stating the facts

Whats wrong in calling Hanuman a monkey when that is his form? Yes he is nava vyAkaraNa pandithar, siriya thiruvadi so what? He is still in monkey form right?

So ennai poritha varaikum thappey kidaiyadhu

Monkey god
Fish God
Bear God
Bird God

Yes they are Godly but still they are what they are why deny that saying they are not what they are supposed to be?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha 
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam 
 
Sri: 
 
Adiyen now understand vaanara are forest dwellers equivalent to forest people (Kattuvaasi). 
 
A kattuvaasi in the form of a monkey is still a monkey. 
A kattuvaasi in the form of a bear is still a bear. 
A kattuvasi in the form of a bird is still a bird 
 
See we still say Garuda is against snake 
Aadisesha is a snake 
 
 It doesn't mean we degrade them. That is the form given to them by Perumal 
 
Perumal resides in every form including animals as Krishna Premi Swamy said that's why he did animal avatArs 
 
When adiyen said "Sita" someone corrected me saying we should suffix with "Sita pirAtti" north they call "Sita mata".Sometimes we say "Sita devi". North may not understand "PirAtti". 
 
The point here is whether we not include respect or not. It is whether they actually what they are. 
 
AthmAnAm mAnusham manye 
 
Says Sri Ram "I am human" 
 
Do we consider him human? That's a different story but according to Srimad Ramayana he himself asked him to be potrayed as human as to do justice to the varam 
 
Do we consider VaanarAs as Nara-Simha? Half human half 🦁? Half human half 🐒? (i don't think so) 
 
My mother asked 
"In dasha avathar we see matsya as half fish and half man" 
 
I said that's only in golu & drawings actually perumal was fully "Fish" only 
 
Because the Rishi says "You are not a fish because Fishes will not speak but you are speaking" 
 
So vanaraas of monkey classification were in monkey form with supreme qualities 
 
So Markata with higher qualities 
 
Adiyen not saying "Naa pudicha muyalukku moonu kall" 
 
Adiyen just stating the facts 
 
Whats wrong in calling Hanuman a monkey when that is his form? Yes he is nava vyAkaraNa pandithar, siriya thiruvadi so what? He is still in monkey form right? 
 
So ennai poritha varaikum thappey kidaiyadhu 
 
Monkey god 
Fish God 
Bear God 
Bird God 
 
Yes they are Godly but still they are what they are why deny that saying they are not what they are supposed to be? 
 
Dasanudasan

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vikraminside 0 on April 30, 2020

Srimath Vedantha Ramanuja Mahadesika Swamy Srimath Thirukudanthai Andavan swamy the ramayana jeeyar quoted as ” it is the quality of monkeys to destroy the madhuvanam”

And several other references as to monkeys.

Therefore it is not my own interpretation. Please excuse.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Namaskaram Vikram Swami, 
That's true, when Ravana got Varam from Brahma, he was over confident that humans and vaanaras are low level inefficient people to beat him, so he didnot include them in his list while asking Varam to Brahma, due to which, upon Sriman NarayanA's order, Brahma sent the demigods sons in the form of Vaanaras (Forest People) to be spread out in Forest to do Kainkaryam when Sriman NarayanAn HIMSELF will take a Manushya Avatara as SriRama. 
"Vaanaras" as per definition are group of people living in Forest, could be any animals etc and not limited to any particular animal..... So the closet ENGLISH word for VANARAS are "FOREST PEOPLE with any face appearance with high skill sets" so the word vanarais not limited to any particular faced people. So sub dividing further Forest People (Vaanaras) as special bear or special monkeys will be based up on, ones on point of interest, since there is no equivalent word for VANARA in the English dictionary. 
However the English translated words doesn't matter, HOW WE SHOW THE RESPECT TO THESE VAANARA'S who did SriRama Kainkaryam matters by calling them as Jambhavan Swami, Sundara Hanuman Swami, Sugreva Maharaj etc... from now on is important, which Adiyen believe every true devotee like devareer's intention as well to get SitaPiratti-Rama Anugraham. Correct Vikram Swami? 
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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ElayaAlwar 0 0 on April 30, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Vikram Swami,

VANARAS are group of people living in Forest. So as per definition, Narasimha is not VANARA.

Sure, every decision made by us comes with a phalam. If our decision is IN-LINE with BhagavAn SriRama Happiness, then our life is peaceful. So if our life is not peaceful, then our decision was against SriRama Happiness. This is very simple THUMB RULE applicable for everyone, and we should act accordingly.

Yes, of course devareer can choose to use the Sanskrit word Vanara, or try to find an equivalent English word in dictionary based on ones on vasanaas, or if devareer don’t find an equivalent English word, devareer can call anything that is close to devareer’s heart, but make sure the ONE sitting close to devareer’s heart “The ParamAthma SriRama” is Primarily Happy about it as well, since devareer’s or adiyen’s Happiness and Peaceful life will depend up on SriRama’s Happiness. If not, we have to put off our happiness, And SriRama says MY happiness is based on respecting my Adiyaars who did Kainkaryam to me by calling them as Jambhavan Swami, Sundara Hanuman Swami, Sugreva Maharaj etc…

The beautiful Kalyana Guna about SriRama is, HE is so patient that HE gives us (devareer or Adiyen) many chances till end to recover like First option is Shastras, if not HE gives us second option like Experience (அடிபட்டு திருந்தி… அடிபட்டு திருந்தி…so on….) and finally at point when we comprehend and make a wise decision, then HE blesses us in this Janma or some Janma. Till that happens, HE allows our Jeeva Swathantriyam to roll out to make wise decision.

Please also share BhagavAn’s this beautiful system for others benefit as which option we want to chose to recover. It’s up to us to decide.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
Namaskaram Vikram Swami, 
VANARAS are group of people living in Forest. So as per definition, Narasimha is not VANARA. 
Sure, every decision made by us comes with a phalam. If our decision is IN-LINE with BhagavAn SriRama Happiness, then our life is peaceful. So if our life is not peaceful, then our decision was against SriRama Happiness. This is very simple THUMB RULE applicable for everyone, and we should act accordingly. 
Yes, of course devareer can choose to use the Sanskrit word Vanara, or try to find an equivalent English word in dictionary based on ones on vasanaas, or if devareer don't find an equivalent English word, devareer can call anything that is close to devareer's heart, but make sure the ONE sitting close to devareer's heart "The ParamAthma SriRama" is Primarily Happy about it as well, since devareer's or adiyen's Happiness and Peaceful life will depend up on SriRama's Happiness. If not, we have to put off our happiness, And SriRama says MY happiness is based on respecting my Adiyaars who did Kainkaryam to me by calling them as Jambhavan Swami, Sundara Hanuman Swami, Sugreva Maharaj etc… 
The beautiful Kalyana Guna about SriRama is, HE is so patient that HE gives us (devareer or Adiyen) many chances till end to recover like First option is Shastras, if not HE gives us second option like Experience (அடிபட்டு திருந்தி... அடிபட்டு திருந்தி...so on....) and finally at point when we comprehend and make a wise decision, then HE blesses us in this Janma or some Janma. Till that happens, HE allows our Jeeva Swathantriyam to roll out to make wise decision. 
Please also share BhagavAn's this beautiful system for others benefit as which option we want to chose to recover. It's up to us to decide. 
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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ElayaAlwar 0 0 on May 1, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Vikram Swami,

Sri Velukkudi Swami has beautifully graced answer in enpani #1728.

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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vikraminside 0 0 on May 1, 2020

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Yes Swamy has answered in EnPaNi 1728.

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ElayaAlwar 3 0 on May 1, 2020

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

All is Well Vikram Swami.

Additionally, Jatayu is a Vulture, that is it’s identification, so there is no offense in calling a Vulture as vulture because that is it’s identification, but that vulture has done Kainkaryam to SriRama by fighting against Ravana though it was aware that it cannot win. So Poorvacharyas treat and respect Jatayu as a SUPER BHAKTHA, by calling it as “PERIYA UDAYAAR“, so we use to call Jatayu as Periyaudayar which is a one step ahead of respecting a devotee though it is understood that Jatayu is a vulture.

Same way Guhan is a Hunter, no doubht about it, but due to Guhan being a great SriRama BHAKTHA, Poorvacharyas though say Guhan as vedan(Hunter) in some places, they say Guhan with a more dignified way as “GUHAN AZHVAN“.

So if we are already aware of a better respectable name as mentioned by Poorvacharyas, we should stick to it rather than calling their identification names though it is valid.

So SriVaishnavism is all about giving “RESPECT AND BHAKTHI“,

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

vikraminside 0 on May 3, 2020

Swamy,
Adiyenukku devareer thiruvadi podhum
Adhuvey Aanukoolyasya sankapam
Dasanudasan

ElayaAlwar 0 on May 5, 2020

Vikram Swami. Adiyen is actually “Charamavathi Dasan” means Dasan to the very recently joined Dasan in Ramanuja Dasan series, so all newly joined Dasans are ALWAYS moved infront of Adiyen and adiyen is the last one is the dasan line all the time. Hence Adiyen is the one who is catching other Adiyaars ThiruvAdi all the time, so how one will be able to catch adiyen’s ThiruvAdi, when devareer is infront of the Ramanuja Dasan line?

vikraminside 0 on May 6, 2020

Adiyen in front of devareer to welcome you into Srivaikuntam. Remember crocodile got cut first & got moksham adiyen is that crocodile. Devareer Gajendra AzhwAn.

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha, 
  
All is Well Vikram Swami. 
  
Additionally, Jatayu is a Vulture, that is it's identification, so there is no offense in calling a Vulture as vulture because that is it's identification, but that vulture has done Kainkaryam to SriRama by fighting against Ravana though it was aware that it cannot win. So Poorvacharyas treat and respect Jatayu as a SUPER BHAKTHA, by calling it as "PERIYA UDAYAAR", so we use to call Jatayu as Periyaudayar which is a one step ahead of respecting a devotee though it is understood that Jatayu is a vulture. 
  
Same way Guhan is a Hunter, no doubht about it, but due to Guhan being a great SriRama BHAKTHA, Poorvacharyas though say Guhan as vedan(Hunter) in some places, they say Guhan with a more dignified way as "GUHAN AZHVAN". 
  
So if we are already aware of a better respectable name as mentioned by Poorvacharyas, we should stick to it rather than calling their identification names though it is valid. 
  
So SriVaishnavism is all about giving "RESPECT AND BHAKTHI", 
  
Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan

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