Any guideline : when C convert to Hinduism, choosing Caste/Community for his generation?”

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen was about to ask related question.

Who created caste?
VarNa is not caste it’s categorisation

If Perumal encourages, a person to continue his varNa Ashramam only!

How was Sabari encouraged to do Yogam by Sri Ram?
SriRam asks to Sabari: Is your Yogam/dhyAnam/Tapas going on well?

She was not meant to be yogini or tapasvi correct?

Dasanudasan

We talked about Vishwamitrar, Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy answered in one EnPaNi that the payasam got exchanged in birth so Vishwamitrar could be more sAthvikam & Parashuramar more Rajasam by nature.

What about Sabari?
So by Guru Krupa, anyone can become anything isn’t it?

Dasanudasan

Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

If we can’t swim, then float.
If we can’t float, then walk on land.
If we can’t walk, then crawl.
If we can’t crawl, then don’t stop.
keep moving by mind by all means.

Adiyen felt Velukkudi SriKrishnan Swami has graced answer for the discussions in Enpani #2669, about Acharam, Sabari and more. ..

Adiyen (ElayaAlwar) Srinivasa (DhoddayacharyAr) Dasan.

Periyavas views on initial question will be more helpful for our Hindu supporters ?. Also I read this from judiciary angle for “The original caste remains under eclipse and as soon as the person is reconverted to the original religion, the eclipse disappears and the caste automatically revives”, the High Court quoted from the Supreme Court precedent in KP Manu.”

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe Sri Varaha Mahadesikaya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam
Sri:

Recently our housemaid got converted to C. She goes to church on Sunday. She will get nyAna snAnam next week & about not go to Hindu temples nor eat non prescribed foods it seems.

Therefore even for Tirumala visit she got kAnikkai from us to be sent via her relative to Tirumalai.

Very similar to samAshrayanam & BaranyAsam I believe.

Now question is “Compulsory Church on Sunday”.

Hinduism never compels or forces anyone to temple daily. Yesterday adiyen was speaking to one Tanjore mama. This freedom is “mis-used” he said.

Though he is an Iyer married an Iyengar.

Nowadays marrying within Brahmin itself becomes a great deal.

Avar Avar Vidhi Vazhi Adai NindranarEy.

Tirumalai Govindan is the MASS LEADER Swamy

He is teaching us a lesson. We are at mistake of not following our spiritualism properly so Perumal getting angry and doing these stuffs.

See, Perumal Knows everything he is “sarvagnyan”.

Therefore let us leave it to him

Dasanudasan

Nowadays I am afraid to say “I am AndhaNar”
Bayama irukku!

I don’t follow anything that can classify me as AndhaNar. AchAram AnushtAnam!!!

How can I call myself “AndhaNar”?

Secondly “Brahmin” is clinically becoming a bad word in our state.

Temples are not meant for specific people says a leader.

I beleive Brahmin is one community who had entire life devoted to Perumal earlier.

Now Brahmins started to rank “devotees” socially. MahA pAvam.

Yesterday went to ParthaSarathy temple.

Nearly two hours devotees standing in queue as nadai was closed.

Some thondar adi podi let way for “known people” in-between queue.

That Govt official or care taker is telling Bhattar mama that devotee is a Lawyer. Extra MAlai to that Vakil!

How does it matter?

By the way no archanai as usual. Even coconut Sweegarikkalai. Finally only ThAyAr sannidhi accepted my coconut.

I warned Perumal, from next time I will come with free hands only. No archanai thattu nothing if you don’t take my coconut.

According to shastram we should not go to temple with empty hands just reminding.

Veda Valli thAyAr heard my inner voice.She took my coconut and gave me lot of anugrahams.

Again & again I am re-iterating, even if officials do mistakes Bhattars should refrain from joining hands with them.

Be strict like Kerala poojAris what is wrong?

Even yesterday court ruled Ayyapan temple Mel Santhi has to be coming from specific group.

Be true to God you worship then see you will be back on top.

Dasanudasan

Vikram Swami,

Your experience is a common sight in almost all temples in T.N., not just Sri Parthasarathi temple.

I don’t think this condition will ever change; pray it should not worsen further.

As a society, we (by and large) are more instinct-driven than value-driven. So the same mediocre mentality reflects in our so-called archakAs too.

For the sake of argument, let us forget archarkars for a moment and see how common people behave.

1. No queue sense without being enforced. Always look for a chance to jump the queue.
2. When a set of people silently move forward through the queue, a set of people accompanied by some temple authorities always tries to enter the sannidhi in the reverse direction.
3. Talking nonsense within the temple premises and even when waiting in the queue.
4. Devouring prasAdams (though it cannot be strictly called so) and licking it in front of dvasjasthambam. There was a time when people didn’t even bother to throw the leaf in a dustbin but the situation is better now.
5. Even if govt. builds good public utilities (in some cases), prefers to urinate even if it is a mAda veedhi!
6. Allow cows/bulls to roam all over freely in the ‘mAda veedhi’ even after they have harmed a few people to death. (this situation is very special to Sri Parthasarathi temple but it is nothing to do with common people. I understand there is a political lobby in it).

Adiyen recently had the bhAghyam of visiting Sri Guruvayoorappan. A local auto driver was sharing his grievance on how the town is well-maintained throughout the year but for the months of KArtikai and MArgazhi when people from other states throng the city and makes it stink in the name of pilgrimage. Since he knew I was from T.N., he safely said people from Andhra/Telangana and Karnataka create this disorderliness.

– Adiyen

Yes swamy we face those pain mentioned above. Also Periya view on original question will be more helpful. If a C moves to H which caste he has to choose for the benefit of his family ?.

Swami,

A majority of Cs in our country are ‘converts’, hence if they decide to embrace their mother religion, they must be absorbed into the same community to which their family originally belonged.

Most of the current generations Cs have their grandparents or great-grandparents as H. I don’t think it is that difficult for them to get absorbed into the same community.

However, if you are talking about original Cs from western countries, then I am not sure.

But in such a situation, do they need a caste/community identity to serve bhagawAn and bhAgavatAs?

This is adiyen’s personal viewpoint.

– Adiyen

If varanasrmam need to be chosen which one Vikram swamy ?. B or K or V or S ?. Bcoz this is needed for their later generation families. Maybe ISKCON followers can suggest their view ?. What’s the path they chose.

Yes, perumal is first he should be only targetted to achieve. Not to be proud of Varna or Caste. But as general questions this raised and shared here. Kshamikavum.