Namaskaram Swami,
I have a doubt on Ancient Hunting,Swami.Was hunting in ancient times common?If it was common,was it dharma?Is Hunting in Kali Yuga Allowed?Royal Families used to go hunt.So are there some rules for Hunting,like who and how they should hunt?
Please forgive me,If I have repeated a question.Kindly send me the link to the answer to it too.
Thank You Swami
Yours,
Shriram
Namskaram
Coincidentally I was hearing a video on this principle..
Where swami explains that intention determines effect of actions.
In those days kings had duty to maintain Santana Sharma within the country to provide peaceful environment to citizens..so it was allowed.
I suppose by such noble service the animal would be elevated to much better birth…if the king was pious and selfless.
Regards
Thank you for your reply.
But,it isn’t upto us right?I mean,humans aren’t authorized to kill animals for them getting a better life,right?It is upto the animal’s karma,and Bhagavan,right?I think we aren’t supposed to do such things..and if we can,why not now in Kali Yuga?
Interestingly your question is in the same mood as Arjuna in chapter 2 of Bhagvat Gita.
Yes we Are not not authorized directly…but if one follows sastra which is Lords breathing…in all aspects of life…one s action becomes authorized.
In olden days warfare was based on archery skill…so it was required…also purpose of ruling was to protect the spiritual sanity of the country…so it all went well…
Right now both the needs are not applicable…so we are not allowed to take the allowance that was provided to saintly kings of the past..
Based on your logic we cannot eat plants and fruits too…itbecomes feasible only when we follow the instructions of sastra…without which there is no action in this world which will not affect others and us negatively.
Thanks
Thank You Once again for you reply,
Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy has justified why we can be vegetarian in one En Pani Audio,stating that the plant is not crying for help or in pain,and we aren’t eating the plant itself,but merely the fruits and vegetables from it.Sometimes we eat the leaves,or sometimes we eat fruits,and we throw out the seed,from which the plant will grow naturally,so we aren’t actually killing any plant,or killing its offspring.But,that’s out of the topic.
So,in the olden days,Saintly Kings used to hunt because to practise their skills,and maintain Spiritual Sanity.
What do you mean by Spiritual Sanity and how is it connected to Hunting?I am afraid,I haven’t understood.
And,as far as I know,Kings didn’t only hunt for practising their skills,but also,sometimes,for pleasure(Please correct me if I am wrong).So is hunting for pleasure then not allowed?And is it specifically mentioned in Shastras that Hunting is allowed?
Please forgive me,if I am asking too many doubts.Thank you for answering my queries.
Shriram
Sorry for being unclear earlier.
What I meant was kings have to protect the country and citizens from impious invading kings…So they need to practise and keep fit in their skills…there might have been kings who did it for pleasure…that is not allowed in sastras…even eating vegetarian food for our pleasure is condemened in some places.
So hunting not based on self pleasure might have been allowed by moral codes…but whether it is specified explicitly so or not only learned and well versed in scriptures have to confirm us.
But in either case it is definitely not allowed or applicable now….So there is no confusion of what we should now.
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Why did Sri RAmA the king hunt vAli the monkwy ??
Kshatriya dharmam. To hunt weed.
If adiyen remember Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy said a stupendous answer ” If Indian army kills, it’s been awarded” . So it does not amount to killing. The ultimate goal/purpose defines the act.
Does hunting of a lion amounts to bad karma? Adiyen don’t think so. As it satisfies its hunger.
ShAstram says we should neither support lion or the deer in this case. Supporting any one of them is against the nature.
The entire srimad Ramayanam started with a hunter hunting a bird from a couple. ” Crowncha Pakshi ” if adiyen remember. Later the maharishi repents for giving shApam (bane) to the hunter as bird is his food.
Why hunter can eat bird? Adiyen honestly don’t know and don’t wish to justify it. People in sAthivkA pAth aren’t allowed to eat.
The faster way to reach brahmam is to be in sAthvikA pAth. As other two “rajasa” “tamasa” will supress bhakthi.
As long as the act to is to protect a life such hunting is allowed. Satisfying hunger also protecting life.
The sAthvika followers don’t eat non-veg and neither hunts.
Lord Krishna himself says pathram Pushpam phalam thOyam. We have to pluck the flowers & fruits to do Archana and to do offerings to him so it is allowed.
Dasanudasan
Thank you for all your replies,
Well,I understand how we shouldn’t disturb nature.But,Some Kings didn’t merely hunt for satisfying their Hunger,Did they?I do not know.And when there were Food,Vegetables,Rice,etc..i.e Vegetarian Foods,Did the Kings,and people require Meat for satisfying their Hunger?
Thank you for replying with patience.
Namaskaram
I am sorry for repeating my doubts again,but I want some clarification.My doubts are the same:
Is it allowed in the Shastras to hunt?Are there some rules for hunting?Was there a reason?
I apologize again for asking the doubt again,but I think perhaps I have not understood what the Bhaktas were trying to tell me.I would be humbled if somebody gives me a convincing answer.This is also because,I am worried,for if somebody asks me”Most Royal Families used to hunt,in ancient India.So did the people really practise ahimsa?”I cannot give an answer if questions like these are asked by other people.Hence,I would really appreciate,if somebody answers my doubts.
Thanks for all who answered my doubts.
Yours,
Shriram
Sri:
As far as adiyen understand, not following ahimsa and hunting for pleasure is against the will of God.
KoorathAzhwAr is a great example. Swami underwent pain of toad being swallowed by snake. Also his inability to help. That’s Srivaishnavism. It does not only empathise but also sympathises. One step further takes the blame/responsibility onto self “NAnEy dhAn ayiduga”.
Hunting for pleasure = A visit to psycologist
But let’s take case of using rats to find medicine for humans? ? I personally saw in college one white rat was touched with hot rod and my college mate said ” “am finding healing medicine for burn”.
I just couldn’t stand it and left place immediately
Just because some royal families does wrong things those acts cannot be justified.
Adiyen also really don’t know the Shastra in terms of hunting honestly.
Adiyen leave it to the lotus feets of Velukkudi Swami.
Dasanudasan
Dear Ram,
To summarize the answer we have discussed above:
Hope it helps.
Thanks
Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruve Namaha,
Asmadh Sarva Gurubyo Namaha,
Nandri All Bhaktas for correct understanding and enforcing that we should follow AHIMSAI ( NO Praani Himsai) as per shastras from Swami’s pravachanams.
For the summary 3), adiyen would to elaborate one point from Swami’s upanyasam.
In Krita yugam, the life span of a person was in multiplication of thousands.
In next Tretha yugam too, life span was higher. Dhasharata lived almost 60,000 yrs approx and SriRama left to Sri Vaikuntam after HIS avatar around 10, 000 yrs approx, though HE could have continued till HIS life span.
Praana Himsai was always prohibited At all times in any yuga as it relates to accumulating Paapa Karma. So inorder to cancel out the Paapa karma, one gas to do PRAYASCHITTAM.
Eg: Spelling Veda Mantra incorrectly just ONE time is one paapam. To cancel out this ONE paapam, Prayaschittam needs to be done for 50 yrs as a rule.
So earlier yugam, when they committed such paapam, their life span helped to do Prayaschittam, since 50yrs is negligible to their life span. This doesn’t authorize on eo commit paapam and then do Prayaschittam.
In Kali Yuga, if our health is really in good condition, then we can live till 120 yrs. Thats the life span. So, can anyone offord 50 yrs of Prayaschittam for one paapam.
Swami Ramanujar recommended to avoid paapam and do Sath karyams as Kainjaryams and surrender the results of punya karma to Lotus feet of SriKrishna, since without paapam and punyam becoming zero, there is no Moksham.
This is adiyen’s understanding from Swami’s upanyasam.
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami ThiruvAdigalaey Sharanam,
Thayar-Perumal-Alwar-Emperumanaar-Jeeyar-Acharyar Thiruvadigalaey Sharanam,
Sarvam SriKrishnarpanam Asthu.
Sri Ramanuja Munaye Namaha,
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swami Guruvae Namaha,
Thanks Baktha for the understanding.
When we do sky diving, it is amazing to understand Eagles view (Macro view), when compared to the Micro view while in ground.
The fear starts building up when we keep getting closer to ground, so we have to eject the parachute at 2000 feet for safe landing, which eliminates the fear.
Swami’s pravachanams are Macro view, which eliminates our karmas,, fear and think beyond.
Don’t worry about paapams or Prayaschittam or pariharams, just say Sharanam on SriKrishna’s lotus feet and involve in Shravanam and Kankaryams, we will automatically reach Moksham with Acharya Ramanuja grace, like a hydrogen gas baloon goes up the sky automatically when released.
Adiyen Sri Velukkudi Krishna Dasan,
Uyya Oraey Vazhi UdayavAr ThiruvAdi,
Sarvam SriKrishna Kudumbham.
