Can Perumal be identified without his ornaments?

Updated on August 6, 2017 in Avatars
9 on July 31, 2017

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Adiyen thinking if I see Perumal without Shankam and Chakram will I be able to identify him?

Adiyen listened to upanyasam that Perumal will be around us but we may not be able to recognize him.

If that’s the case how to identify nadamaadum (prathyaksha) Perumal?

Dasanudasan

 
  • Liked by
Reply
1 on August 1, 2017

Swamy, Koti Namaskarams of Daasanu Daasan Srinivasan Pranesh

I too listened to the audio. Let me give understanding from Adiyen’s little brain.

Ornaments are not identity for God. Ornaments get identity, beauty and power from Him.

A common man may not be able to identify God unless He reveals Himself. However, Mahans can do.

In today’s scenario, we may not be able to identify ourselves unless He reveals. However, Swami spoke on Rama and Krishna who were already identified as Lord by many Rishis and Mahans. Hence, debating on their acts is considered debating on God.

I had little experiences in life where God appears for a short period and speaks in human form too. If we carefully examine their conversation with us, we will get a clue that reveals His identity.

For example, me and my mother went to Divya Desams in Tirunelveli and also visited Nellaiappar temple. We had Darshan of Lord Shiva and was waiting for Battacharyar to have Darshan of Lord Govindaraja Swamy. Suddenly an old man who was wearing a white shirt, saffron vetti and vibhuti pattai on forehead came forward and asked, “Are you waiting to see Govindarajar?”. We said yes. He said he can explain us the history and took us inside. He was a total stranger to us and not an Archagar too.

When he started to speak, he said, “Pulavargal ennai pottri pugazhnthu paaduvargal. Naan sadaranamaga pesuvadhillai. Shraddhai udayavargalidam mattum pesuven.”

I was astonished for a minute and don’t know how to react. He explained all history and glory of Govindaraja Swamy. He read every problem in my mother’s mind and gave solutions himself. My mother was also astonished. I fell at his feet and gave him Dakshinai after conversation. He immediately left and found nowhere in temple within minutes.

We sat on steps and I was recollecting the conversations. By the way he started, “Pulavargal ennai pottri pugazhnthu paaduvargal”, I could infer that he was Lord Shiva.

Such experiences are had with Perumal, Thaayar, Sakthi also.

So, we shall observe carefully and infer from the clues they purposely leave for our understanding. Sometimes, they also communicate through signs. Understanding language of God through signs is an art.

Coming to Rama and Krishna, they don’t even need to give clues. They directly shown that they are God.

There is no difference in attributes between five forms of God (Para, Vyuha, Vibhava, Antaryami and Archai). Bhagavan has infinite number of attributes. Vibhava Avatarams also have the same and few attributes are purposely hidden by Himself.

Rama appeared like a man. But, He granted Moksha to Jatayu and took all who got into Sarayu with Him to Vaikuntam. Who else can do it other than Lord Sriman Narayana? But, He had to act like a man based on Ravana’s boon. Who can understand His limitless games?

He only knows His glory completely. For us, His attributes are infinite.

Katopanishad says, “What is here is there and what is there is here. Who ever sees difference between these five forms of Lord Vishnu will fall into death from death”. Means, one who sees difference in these five forms will fall into birth and death/ hell.

To answer the question, in present days, if you feel someone is divine while appearing in front of you, observe your conversation carefully and look for clues/signs. He Himself reveals to us directly. We may carelessly ignore those conversations and loose a nice opportunity. At the same time, there are many people who claim themselves as God for Peyar, Pugazh and Money. We have to be careful with them.

Adiyen

Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanamastu.

on August 2, 2017

Hare Krishna! Aneha koti namaskaram swami!

 

This is amazing swami. Adiyen is not ready to go through such experience yet but have ‘received’ messages from the lord through ‘common’ people.

 

Once a police scolded Adiyen for not parking the car properly. After say about 2 years, adiyen understood that it was scolding from the lord (and it was not for parking the car but for something else). So outwardly, it looks like a casual incident in this world but there was message from the lord. 

 

Adiyen was also told by some senior devotees that, at times, the mind will speculate/misinterpret the message (to its own advantage) so that’s where, Acharya helps in guiding the Jiva for the Jiva is always under the influence of 3 gunas.

 

Sarvam Krishnaarpanamastu!

Show more replies
  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
0 on August 2, 2017

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

There were several such divine incidents..All of which fell into my lotus feets of my lovable Acharyan.

Actually my Srimushnam Andavan is God. Swamy revealed to adiyen many times.

Sonna puriyadhu sollukulla adangaadhu

(Very intimate)

Dasanudasan
Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya ParaBrahmaney Namaha

  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
0 on August 2, 2017

Aneka Koti Namaskarams Krishna Daasan Swamy and Vikram Swamy

Adiyen is blessed to hear the sharings about your divine experiences. Thank you for the same.

Dhanyosmi

To Vikram Swamy,

I believe the answer for your question lies in your own divine experiences.

Daasanu Daasan Srinivasan Pranesh

Sarvam Shri Krishnaarpanamastu.

  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
1 on August 5, 2017

Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha

Actually adiyen want to identify Perumal without Shankam and Chakram visibly (Apart from my Andavan Swamy. Adiyen won’t share with anyone but adiyen have left my Andavan so that others can worship Swamy else adiyen would have tied Swamy with bhakthi like sahadevan tied Krishna in Mahabharatham. More than adiyen know Andavan my Andavan knows me). What will he look like? Does peethambaram or Shankam or Chakram identify him?

When elephant screamed “Aadhi moolamey” his peethambaram (yellow cloth) was not in his proper position.

Garudan could not fly that fast so Perumal took garudan in his shoulders.

If it wasn’t for his peethambaram or garudan there would have been debate on to which god it is?

So my question ? does Perumal have unique identity without those identifications?

on August 5, 2017

Hare Krishna!

 

Aneha koti namaskaram swami! Lord has to provide ‘divya’ kangal to Arjuna to take a look at viswaroopam and even then, Arjuna was not able to hold on watching the lord. He was shivering and shaking.

 

Swami, namma kannukku, night-la bed room light (40 watts) a pakkave kannu koosuthu. Ithula enga poi, perumal-a pakka, apuram, avar ipadi than irupaarnu solla ?

 

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu!

Show more replies
  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
1 on August 5, 2017

Namaskaram Swami ?

ArchAvadhAram sevikkarom. Adhula Shankam Chakram marachittu Perumal Thiru muga mandalam sevingo. Perumal eppadi theriyarar?

Venkateshwara Swami utsavar mattum thiru mugatha seriousa vechundrukkar irukkar. So kandu pidikkatta mudiyArdhu. Madhavaperumal (native look for me so easy) and triplicane Parthasarathi (Thiru muga mandalam fulla arrow marks in Mahabharatham war) okay.

What about others??

on August 5, 2017

Hare Krishna! 

 

Aneha koti namaskaram swami! Swami romba advanced. Intha kashtam vara koodathunuthane swami, Narasimha perumane, sangu, chakarathoda sevai saadikirar ? Why try these puzzles on swami 🙂 may be swami is advancing so much that Adiyen is not able to understand 🙁

 

Sarvam Sri Krishnaarpanamastu!

Show more replies
  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel
0 on August 6, 2017

Aneka koti namaskarams Swamy????

Oru Perumal grid picture. Around 16 Perumal adiyen guess. Interestingly to identify which Perumal it is. At that time came this thought. Adiyen could find only 2.

Also adiyen heard that Sri Ramanujar did pancha samskAram to lord Venkateshwara when there was a doubt as to Perumal or different deity.

So shankam & Chakram have great importance in Perumal’s identity.

Perumal accepted the Shanku Chakram by divine intervention automatically. Adiyen read some mischevious twisting by a different deity upasakar in a book. This adiyen understood from a driver from coming back from thirumala.

To all those who read this post ” There is no need for Sri Ramanujar to open the garbha graha door at midnight keeping credibility at stake and also tirumala is very strict about its practices as always. Don’t get fooled by illogical texts”.

If you have bhakthi towards your deity we SriVaishnavas don’t bother it. Please don’t hurt our sentiments.

Dasanudasan

  • Liked by
Reply
Cancel