EnPaNi 1519 கடத்தியது குற்றம் இல்லையா ஸ்வாமி?

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7 on October 11, 2019

ஸ்ரீமதே ரங்கரமனுஜ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:
ஸ்ரீமதே ஸ்ரீ வராஹ மஹாதேசிகாய நம:
ஸ்ரீ வேளுக்குடி கிருஷ்ணன் ஸ்வாமி திருவடிகளே சரணம்


பதில் பிடி பட வில்லை. குற்றத்தின் தன்மை பொறுத்து குற்றமா ?

அடியேனுக்கு அடியேன்

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Srimathe Ramanujaya Namaha,

Namaskaram Swami,

In enpani 1519, Swami didnot mean the Abduction of Sita Piratti is not a crime. What Swami was saying is,

Both cases of Vali and Ravana are realted to WOMEN ABUSES, and both attracts law and punishment, but the penalties vary for each case due to the severity of the felony.

In Vali’s case, he already committed the severe crime.
1) Vali beat his brother Sugreeva near to death and Sugreeva ran away to save his life, then
2) Vali snatched Sugreeva’s wife and committed Women Assault.

These are very serious crimes and moreover Vali was not in a position to accept his crime or any kind of discussion. So Vali’s behaviour is like a Anarchist, and in such cases The Law Enforcement people just take action in earliest opportunity without negotiation. Hence, under these circumstances, there is no necessity for any talks with the accused person like Vali, so SriRma A kSathriya The ONLY King, just took him down with now and arrow from behind the bushes without any prior notice. So Case is closed. This is what Swami meant in enpani that “Vali Kuttram Seidhu Vittaan, adhanaal Dhandanai kudukka pattadhu”

In Ravanan case, he also committed the crime, but it was “Women Abduction” without any further serious felonies like “Women Assault” committed by Vali. This is what Swami meant in enpani as “Ravan innum Kuttram Seyya villai (means the Crime of Ravan was not as serious as Vali’s crime and Swami didnot mean to say Ravana didn’t commit crime).
So there was punishment for Ravan due to Abduction of Sita Piratti and the punishment for Ravana was not same level as Vali due to intensity of crime being different. SriRama gave him chance to return Sita Piratti many times till end of the battle, but at the end, SriRama punished (killed) Ravana since he was not submissive of his crime.

So, What Swami meant is, both Vali and Ravana did crimes, but Penalties/Punishment were different for both due to the severity of felony being different.

This is what Adiyen understood from Swami’s enpani 1512.

Adiyen Srinivasa (DhoddayAcharyar) Dasan.

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This is what Adiyen understood from Swami’s enpani 1519.

on October 12, 2019

Would lord SriRam give the same level of chance to any of his citizen’s wife or just because it is pirAtti?

Adiyen see it as part of the grand plan so he kept leniency. SriRam becomes upset when it is crime to his bhaktha than his own wife.

He is bhaktha parAdheenan.

on October 12, 2019

Lord SriRam until Sri Hanuman said could not have known the status. PirAtti should have been considered but lord Sri Ram always gives priority to citizens than his own family. He is like that.

Adiyen don’t think Swamy’s answer to this is convincing. A crime is a crime no matter what the intensity is.

He should be asking Sita msta whether she liked such a treatment. It’s evident that PirAtti suffered a lot.

She went on to commit suicide. To be frank adiyen see imbalance in the way our mother was handled.

on October 12, 2019

If we think deep, PirAtti cursed lakshmana Swamy because of affection on SrinRam the almighty.

Similarly Lakshmana swamy doubted Guha peruman.

Guha peruman doubted lakshmana Swamy.

To protect SriRam.
(During sleepless nights)

All because of SriRam.

So SriRam is the cause of all.these happenings not anyone else. Avarey dhAn ayiduga.

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Srimathe Rangaramanuja Mahadesikaya Namaha
Srimathe SriVarAha MahAdEsikAya Namaha
Sri Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy Thiruvadigaley Sharanam

First of all Adiyen would like to thank my Swamy for giving me freedom to have counter view and letting adiyen think.

With Velukkudi Krishnan Swamy thirivadi bhalam adiyen got one more answer

Vaali=Dhrohi (Stealth)
Ravanan=Virodhi (explicit)

This is the reason for the difference in treatment


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This reminds me of Udayavar and KoorathAzhwan. Our Swamy told the real incident where KoorathAzhwan would stop writing if Udayavar said is seemingly complicated or creates difference of opinion.

Eg: Jeeva SwAthanthriyam was the matter


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